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Letter To Apple Re: App Store

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cellocello said:
My quick opinion on the matter:

Either you feel your son's mature enough for an iPod Touch, or you don't.

If you have to lock down everything and turn everything off and yet it's still not 'clean' enough - you clearly don't think your son's mature enough for such a product.

Why not simply buy a Nano and a kid-oriented educational console for the TV, or something?
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If he wants an iPod Touch after we had asked him to get good grades at school then so be it.

It's not really much to ask for comments to be moderated. Forget it's my son that saw it, heck I would rather not have to read some of the ones I saw. I'm all for tech progression but heck lets be responsible and accountable for things.

If it was up to me at the least I would have an alert moderator button. Not really that much for a multi billion $ co. to implement. It's all teething problems I accept, there are many things people want to change in the app store on the iPhone or Mac. If no one says anything then where does that get you.
 
CocoaPuffs said:
Perhaps you are not familiar with the first amendment of our American Constitution, Freedom of Speech.

If you can't monitor your own child, please don't force others to do your job.
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This is irrelevant. Freedom of speech does not mean "whatever whenever". A country is obligated to protect their children.

Comments such as "I hope this app developer gets cancer" in no way contributes to a review of an app. Its not censorship to employ a little common sense.
 
marine610610 said:
This is irrelevant. Freedom of speech does not mean "whatever whenever". A country is obligated to protect their children.

Comments such as "I hope this app developer gets cancer" in no way contributes to a review of an app. Its not censorship to employ a little common sense.
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How is it irrelevant? Irrelevant is somehow correlating mindless comments to a country's obligation to protect children.
 
kriskay said:
If he wants an iPod Touch after we had asked him to get good grades at school then so be it.

It's not really much to ask for comments to be moderated. Forget it's my son that saw it, heck I would rather not have to read some of the ones I saw. I'm all for tech progression but heck lets be responsible and accountable for things.

If it was up to me at the least I would have an alert moderator button. Not really that much for a multi billion $ co. to implement. It's all teething problems I accept, there are many things people want to change in the app store on the iPhone or Mac. If no one says anything then where does that get you.
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Your wasting your time with most of the people here. As i have children i can appreciate where you are coming from. For some reason its ok to pretend parents are omnipresent and can keep their little ones away from garbage all the time. Why its a problem to ask multi billion dollar corporations to moderate user comments ill never know. You can bet that if it was something religious they would want it removed, thats for another time however...
 
marine610610 said:
Freedom entails responsibility, or at least it used to...
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You are stretching it, buddy.

Again like I have already said, don't expect Apple to do the parenting for you. It's one thing to protect children in school and playground, it's another to censor the App store in the name of protecting our children??????

How do you even come up with this? By this I meant associating a country's obligation with censoring app store...
 
marine610610 said:
Your wasting your time with most of the people here. As i have children i can appreciate where you are coming from. For some reason its ok to pretend parents are omnipresent and can keep their little ones away from garbage all the time. Why its a problem to ask multi billion dollar corporations to moderate user comments ill never know. You can bet that if it was something religious they would want it removed, thats for another time however...
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Thanks, yes it isnt too much to ask them to protect their future customers, i appreciate your comment.
 
CocoaPuffs said:
You are stretching it, buddy.

Again like I have already said, don't expect Apple to do the parenting for you. It's one thing to protect children in school and playground, it's another to censor the App store in the name of protecting our children??????

How do you even come up with this? By this I meant associating a country's obligation with censoring app store...
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As I said before it offends me and others, take people at work today for example, take minors out of the picture a second (although it is my original concern)

Your reading way between the lines here.
 
Your son's 11 years old and you're shocked that he's bringing up the subject of the Holocaust?

More importantly...

You're 11-year-old son doesn't know about the Holocaust?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! :confused:
 
This thread is getting like Kyle's Mom in South Park. Always blaming people for her child's mistakes.

No, there is free speech and we are free to express it. It is a parent's, not the government's or Apple's, to supervise what a child has access to. If you don't wish to do that, then sorry you are not a parent or then you should have not become one. Parenting is when you are committed 100% to your child no matter what and one of those things is instructing your child what to or what not to see to a certain age. After which eh can do whatever the hell he wants (usually 17-19+ at a parent's discretion of child maturity).

I am by no means instructing you how to teach your child, but in the past, that's what parents did. You can ask your mother or grandmother and they will tell you it was them who instructed your mom or you, not the TV and it was them who oversaw what you see.

Sorry to sound harsh, but you have to open your eyes and see the world is free and one of those freedoms is to post whatever the world wants and its a parents job to supervise their kids.
 
kriskay said:
As I said before it offends me and others, take people at work today for example, take minors out of the picture a second (although it is my original concern)

Your reading way between the lines here.
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my comment was not directed at your original comment, but rather marine's.

There are many things in life that offend people (me included), but we learn to look the other way.

So look the other way, especially toward mindless comments from trolls.
 
I agree with the OP in that these comments should be better monitored by Apple. A review hoping the developers get cancer is just stupid and a waste of time and space on the website.
 
iObama said:
Your son's 11 years old and you're shocked that he's bringing up the subject of the Holocaust?

More importantly...

You're 11-year-old son doesn't know about the Holocaust?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! :confused:
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Yes he's 11 thats my point. Im sure in a year or so they will get round to that in his history class in an environment geared towards educating kids responsibly not having it forced upon his knowledge in such a negative, disrespectful context on the apple app store.
 
kriskay said:
If he wants an iPod Touch after we had asked him to get good grades at school then so be it.

It's not really much to ask for comments to be moderated. Forget it's my son that saw it, heck I would rather not have to read some of the ones I saw. I'm all for tech progression but heck lets be responsible and accountable for things.

If it was up to me at the least I would have an alert moderator button. Not really that much for a multi billion $ co. to implement. It's all teething problems I accept, there are many things people want to change in the app store on the iPhone or Mac. If no one says anything then where does that get you.
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its called tough love. sounds like you want apple to do all the hard work so you can remain the "good guy". your son may hate you for saying "no" every once in a while, but in the end it is for his own good. dont talk about responsibility and accountability when you have none yourself.
 
kriskay said:
Yes he's 11 thats my point. Im sure in a year or so they will get round to that in his history class in an environment geared towards educating kids responsibly not having it forced upon his knowledge in such a negative, disrespectful context on the apple app store.
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I'm pretty sure there's no way to "gear the Holocaust for Kidz!"

It's gruesome any way you slice it. I don't see how it being brought up in this context is any worse.
 
kriskay said:
If he wants an iPod Touch after we had asked him to get good grades at school then so be it.

It's not really much to ask for comments to be moderated. Forget it's my son that saw it, heck I would rather not have to read some of the ones I saw. I'm all for tech progression but heck lets be responsible and accountable for things.

If it was up to me at the least I would have an alert moderator button. Not really that much for a multi billion $ co. to implement. It's all teething problems I accept, there are many things people want to change in the app store on the iPhone or Mac. If no one says anything then where does that get you.
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I hear what you're saying, but who should pay for the moderation?

I mean, lets say there's 7,500 free apps on the app store. These apps cost apple money to host and serve to customers (not to mention all the back-end $0 billing stuff that happens). Now let's say that 75% of these apps are receiving several reviews a day - we're talking in the order of several 10's of thousands of total comments a week. Who's going to pay for a group of people to to go through all this?

What if the commentators feel slighted that their comments are deleted? What happens if, after all the moderation, another mother feels a comment like "this games sucks big time" is too offensive for her 11 (or 10 or 9 or 8 or 7) year old?

Then what? Who's gonna foot the bill for all this? Should the word 'suck' be moderated? Should the App Store be a pay-only service, which can then be more closely moderated? They don't allow any curse words -- how much further should it go?
 
jav6454 said:
This thread is getting like Kyle's Mom in South Park. Always blaming people for her child's mistakes.

No, there is free speech and we are free to express it. It is a parent's, not the government's or Apple's, to supervise what a child has access to. If you don't wish to do that, then sorry you are not a parent or then you should have not become one. Parenting is when you are committed 100% to your child no matter what and one of those things is instructing your child what to or what not to see to a certain age. After which eh can do whatever the hell he wants (usually 17-19+ at a parent's discretion of child maturity).

I am by no means instructing you how to teach your child, but in the past, that's what parents did. You can ask your mother or grandmother and they will tell you it was them who instructed your mom or you, not the TV and it was them who oversaw what you see.

Sorry to sound harsh, but you have to open your eyes and see the world is free and one of those freedoms is to post whatever the world wants and its a parents job to supervise their kids.
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Apple are a socially aware and responsible brand the environment being the hot topic at the moment. Im sure once this has been alerted to them they will act upon it.

One would think however if comments are moderated on apple.com then they would be fully coherent throught all thier products especially where there is end user contributions.

Their brand could be damaged if they don't act upon it. Anyone could post all kinds of stuff about apple on the comments if the did so wish to.

For example i could post up a link to Microsoft pages on their app store comments (i wouldn't dream of it), it's not good business practice.
 
ruinfx said:
its called tough love. sounds like you want apple to do all the hard work so you can remain the "good guy". your son may hate you for saying "no" every once in a while, but in the end it is for his own good. dont talk about responsibility and accountability when you have none yourself.
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Not at all, I don't have any control of what my son hears say when he's at school, but if i did i would act upon it immediately which is what i have done in this case. You can only act upon what you know of, which is what i have done.
 
kriskay said:
Apple are a socially aware and responsible brand the environment being the hot topic at the moment. Im sure once this has been alerted to them they will act upon it.

One would think however if comments are moderated on apple.com then they would be fully coherent throught all thier products especially where there is end user contributions.

Their brand could be damaged if they don't act upon it. Anyone could post all kinds of stuff about apple on the comments if the did so wish to.

For example i could post up a link to Microsoft pages on their app store comments (i wouldn't dream of it), it's not good business practice.
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What you mention are the Apple Forums. Forums are moderated everywhere, even here (except some sites like 4chan). Apple's forums are for discussion of Apple products and technical support and therefor any other posts are moderated out to allow true problems be posted.

Here we moderate in order to keep things civil, but he as sure do not moderate for 11-year olds. That is why many forums have an age requirement. Use your parenting discretion and disable the App Store from the Settings of your son's iPod. That way this won't happen again. It's not Apple's fault and has for corporate image, the company's image does not rely 100% on the App Store, its on the Mac, the iPod and the iPhone. Af for the comments, that is why there is a censor for curse words, its against Apple rules to by-pass it, but people do it and its your job as parent to prevent any mishaps.
 
cellocello said:
I hear what you're saying, but who should pay for the moderation?

I mean, lets say there's 7,500 free apps on the app store. These apps cost apple money to host and serve to customers (not to mention all the back-end $0 billing stuff that happens). Now let's say that 75% of these apps are receiving several reviews a day - we're talking in the order of several 10's of thousands of total comments a week. Who's going to pay for a group of people to to go through all this?

What if the commentators feel slighted that their comments are deleted? What happens if, after all the moderation, another mother feels a comment like "this games sucks big time" is too offensive for her 11 (or 10 or 9 or 8 or 7) year old?

Then what? Who's gonna foot the bill for all this? Should the word 'suck' be moderated? Should the App Store be a pay-only service, which can then be more closely moderated? They don't allow any curse words -- how much further should it go?
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I agree with you, but people know if their comment is on the line or not. People post stuff like that if they are annoyed, humiliated or feel threatened in most cases, it's a simple human reaction. There is a responsibility to moderate though apple.com is why not the app store.

You could say who pays for macrumors.com to be moderated or the BBC to be moderated or apple.com come on it's not like apple is short of cash they are sitting on a massive reserve, i'm sure with the brains they have working there then they can tailor make a solution beneficial to them to be socially responsible.

If you knew your kids were safe then parents would let them use the app store generating in a higher turnover for apple. As it is mine is now banned, poor kid he has to suffer in the end.

As i said i dont blame APPLE i blame the posters, i think more could be done to help though.
 
kriskay said:
Not at all, I don't have any control of what my son hears say when he's at school, but if i did i would act upon it immediately which is what i have done in this case. You can only act upon what you know of, which is what i have done.
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i am not saying that you should not act upon the situation, simply that you are acting upon it in a way that shifts all the responsibility and accountability to apple and others.

instead of making the tough decision in the beginning and not buying an ipod touch for your 11 year old son (because he could access content you deem inappropriate) you caved because he got good grades and YOU couldnt say "no".

now that you caved in and your son has unsurprisingly seen mature content on the internet (shocking i know), you are looking to shift the parenting responsibility and accountability to apple. you are looking for apple to step up and do something because you dont want to make your son mad at you for taking away his ipod touch.

sure you could wait for apple to act, or you could do it.
 
Am I the only one who thinks that an 11 year old should have already studied World War II in school and known what a holocaust is?

I mean, it certainly wouldn't have upset me when I was 11. How sheltered ARE your kids? I also used the word "crap" on a daily basis back then.

This whole thread is hilarious. The screenshots are the icing on the cake, LOL.
 
jav6454 said:
What you mention are the Apple Forums. Forums are moderated everywhere, even here (except some sites like 4chan). Apple's forums are for discussion of Apple products and technical support and therefor any other posts are moderated out to allow true problems be posted.

Here we moderate in order to keep things civil, but he as sure do not moderate for 11-year olds. That is why many forums have an age requirement. Use your parenting discretion and disable the App Store from the Settings of your son's iPod. That way this won't happen again. It's not Apple's fault and has for corporate image, the company's image does not rely 100% on the App Store, its on the Mac, the iPod and the iPhone. Af for the comments, that is why there is a censor for curse words, its against Apple rules to by-pass it, but people do it and its your job as parent to prevent any mishaps.
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Where is the age requirement for having an Ipod Touch? I sure have looked everywhere and I cant find one. Should they have put on on their products. No i don't think thy should it's about as harmless (marketing) as Mickey Mouse until you dig deeper into its features like I have found out. What would be more costly to put an age restriction on a product or to moderate a forum.

Again, i'm not bashing at Apple.
 
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