OP, that 13 year age restriction if for the App Store, not the iPod Touch itself. So, your son can have an iPod, however, its up to you download the stuff.
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Letter To Apple Re: App Store
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It's basically the TOS states that it's intended for people 13 years old and up. If the parent accepts those terms its the same as taking your kid to a R rated movie.
It's not the theaters fault if your son pees his pants for two months because he thought the Stay Puffed Marshmellow Man was scary as hell.
How difficult is it for the OP to take on the responsibility of discussing the Holocaust with their 11-year-old; apparently quite difficult. That's where the problem lies with our youth. It's not the schools, the teachers or their peers that don't get it; it's the parents that just don't get it. The lesson learned about Apple not taking control of their customer's reviews would be what? Once you determine what answer suits your immediate needs, then somehow YOU have to translate that to your 11-year-old; what, you expected Apple to be responsible for "the lesson learned?"
Asking Apple to invoke a method of censorship will accomplish nothing. My son would wear a T-shirt to the Big Game (Cal v. Stanfuurd) over the past (15) years that stated "F*#K Stanfuurd" and I would cringe each time he would wear it or buy a new one to replace the tattered T-shirt. I would give my last dying breath, to allow him the opportunity to wear that shirt in public or wherever he deemed fit. The shirt may be offensive, but those that find it offensive can turn a blind eye and continue marching; the shirt is not obscene, it is not pornographic and not provoking in the manner of fighting words; and therefore meets one or more of the Free Speech exemptions. Redirect your son's attention, block the website, or counsel your son as you see fit. Apple has no responsibility whatsoever to resolve or remedy your concerns. So, good luck addressing the issue of censorship with Congress, the Executive Branch or the Supreme Court; it's a definite "no-go!"
Asking Apple to invoke a method of censorship will accomplish nothing. My son would wear a T-shirt to the Big Game (Cal v. Stanfuurd) over the past (15) years that stated "F*#K Stanfuurd" and I would cringe each time he would wear it or buy a new one to replace the tattered T-shirt. I would give my last dying breath, to allow him the opportunity to wear that shirt in public or wherever he deemed fit. The shirt may be offensive, but those that find it offensive can turn a blind eye and continue marching; the shirt is not obscene, it is not pornographic and not provoking in the manner of fighting words; and therefore meets one or more of the Free Speech exemptions. Redirect your son's attention, block the website, or counsel your son as you see fit. Apple has no responsibility whatsoever to resolve or remedy your concerns. So, good luck addressing the issue of censorship with Congress, the Executive Branch or the Supreme Court; it's a definite "no-go!"
I find "Stanfuurd" to be offensive for its implication, where do I report for your post to be removed?
To a Mod!!!
In good spirit I vote we let this thread be closed and wastelanded, as I think the OP has read the ToS and has moved on as he has not posted anything thus far.
Good debate and all, but I think continuing posting is like beating a dead equine.
I remember being shocked at sitting near to a woman and small (13...maybe) boy at the cinema. I was there to see Gladiator. It's about a Gladiator, you see, and it's R rated. I forget how many head-loppings had occurred before she finally saw sense and took her son out of there.
I remember hoping - while not wishing any long-term ills on the boy - that he would wake her up with nightmares for a month.
*sighs* the lack of personal accountability/personal oversight over ones child still baffles me. While I semi agree that Apple needs to moderate comments left on the app store but the app store terms of service state:
2. Age requirements for use of the Service. This Service is available for individuals aged 13 years or older. If you are 13 or older but under the age of 18, you should review these terms and conditions with your parent or guardian to make sure that you and your parent or guardian understand these terms and conditions.
3. Objectionable Material. You understand that by using the Service, you may encounter content that may be deemed offensive, indecent, or objectionable, which content may or may not be identified as having explicit language. Nevertheless, you agree to use the Service at your sole risk and that Apple shall have no liability to you for content that may be found to be offensive, indecent, or objectionable. Content types (including genres, sub-genres and Podcast categories and sub-categories and the like) and descriptions are provided for convenience, and you acknowledge and agree that Apple does not guarantee their accuracy.
2. Age requirements for use of the Service. This Service is available for individuals aged 13 years or older. If you are 13 or older but under the age of 18, you should review these terms and conditions with your parent or guardian to make sure that you and your parent or guardian understand these terms and conditions.
3. Objectionable Material. You understand that by using the Service, you may encounter content that may be deemed offensive, indecent, or objectionable, which content may or may not be identified as having explicit language. Nevertheless, you agree to use the Service at your sole risk and that Apple shall have no liability to you for content that may be found to be offensive, indecent, or objectionable. Content types (including genres, sub-genres and Podcast categories and sub-categories and the like) and descriptions are provided for convenience, and you acknowledge and agree that Apple does not guarantee their accuracy.
I agree too!!
It could be made more clearer, it took what 5 pages to get to that, that kind of says its not clear enough, we all know thats the small print aka get out clause.
I thank you all for your comments, i take none of them personally and I NEVER BLAMED APPLE, I hold the posters of the profanity accountable for their own comments and hope that apple will be as good to at least look into my letter to them. I can see where everyone was coming from in their comments and some lines are difficult to cross or discuss due to the nature of the posts.
It just shows that some people are twisted and yeah i want to protect my children from these people, is that so bad?? I think not. Lets hope apple act and get something done or no doubt we will start to hear about pedophiles and all sorts (its an extreme to use i know) of nasty things which could have been prevented.
Thanks
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Forgive me if I missed it, but five pages and I haven't seen one person point out that Apple does moderate the app store reviews, or at least they say they do. Go ahead and try leaving a review for an app. You'll get a message saying your review will be checked before it will be posted, and it will take anywhere from a few hours to a few days before your review is posted.
Personally, I think comparing an app to the holocaust or wishing cancer on the developers are in horrible taste, but also very useful to me as a potential customer in gauging how upset others were by this app. A moderator deciding whether or not to allow such reviews has a very tough job, and no matter what they decide, there are going to be people who don't agree with their decision. So in this case, Apple made a decision the OP disagrees with, and the OP is letting Apple and the world know that he disagrees with the decision. Apple may or may not change their mind after hearing him and others' input. That's how free speech is supposed to work.
Also, my parents gave me "Diary of Anne Frank" when I was around 10 or 11. They didn't wait for the school to get around to teaching me about the holocaust. Some things are just too important to leave up to others.
Personally, I think comparing an app to the holocaust or wishing cancer on the developers are in horrible taste, but also very useful to me as a potential customer in gauging how upset others were by this app. A moderator deciding whether or not to allow such reviews has a very tough job, and no matter what they decide, there are going to be people who don't agree with their decision. So in this case, Apple made a decision the OP disagrees with, and the OP is letting Apple and the world know that he disagrees with the decision. Apple may or may not change their mind after hearing him and others' input. That's how free speech is supposed to work.
Also, my parents gave me "Diary of Anne Frank" when I was around 10 or 11. They didn't wait for the school to get around to teaching me about the holocaust. Some things are just too important to leave up to others.
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