Limera1n is comming from Geohot

[Romanesq]

Meh

Geohot is megahot. That is all.

He'll share when the time is right. Surely the Dev Team will when Apple gets done with their bar simulation "change."

Steve is delaying the non-fix just to delay the jailbreak.

But you can be sure, there's going to be a jailbreak.
Signed,
Thin Lizzy

 

[thelatinist]

Does he mean he wont be the first one to release a JB?

No, it means just what it says: he probably won't release at all. The quote you give only adds to that: if people keep asking then his releasing becomes even more improbable than it already is.

Why is this so hard for people to understand? Are people so blinded by wishful thinking that they can't read and understand plain English?

 

[CrAkD]

I think comex is being quiet cause someone stole flash for ipad from him. If I had realized it was stolen I wouldnt have installed it.

 

[Daiden]

I think comex is being quiet cause someone stole flash for ipad from him. If I had realized it was stolen I wouldnt have installed it.

Stolen? It was in a public open source repository. Look up what "open source" means.

 

[Tokiopop]

Why do these hacks have a variation on the word rain/ra1n ?

Started with Yellowsn0w, the first iPhone 3G unlock (snow because it was winter), then others like redsn0w ultrasn0w etc came along, then Geohot called his stuff ra1n I guess...

 

[Alvi]

Steve is delaying the non-fix just to delay the jailbreak.

Jailbreaks help apple a lot moneywise, they allow unlocking and other stuff which makes apple rich, a huge percentage of the phones in europe are imported by some people and sold by ATT at around 600$ and sold overseas unlocked/jailbroken for over 1000$, if the iPhone was impossible to unlock apple would probably sell at least 10% less devices

And also, Steve is loosing lots of money with his antenna issues which he wants to fix, i imagine they would rather wait for more issues like the proximity sensor to cover all iOS4 and iPhone 4 bugs properly

 

[Arisian]

Jailbreaks help apple a lot moneywise, they allow unlocking and other stuff which makes apple rich, a huge percentage of the phones in europe are imported by some people and sold by ATT at around 600$ and sold overseas unlocked/jailbroken for over 1000$, if the iPhone was impossible to unlock apple would probably sell at least 10% less devices

And also, Steve is loosing lots of money with his antenna issues which he wants to fix, i imagine they would rather wait for more issues like the proximity sensor to cover all iOS4 and iPhone 4 bugs properly

The antenna issue has been proven to be a hardware thing - I've even seen reports posted here measuring antennae impedance.

I kinda feel like Apple sees the Dev Team has their outsources "Where are he possible security holes in our system" guys. I have no doubt that if Apple really wanted to they could slap Cease and Desist orders on all the guys in the Dev team...

I don't know, Im stupid... so my opinions aren't usually correct.

 

[Krafty]

I think comex is being quiet cause someone stole flash for ipad from him. If I had realized it was stolen I wouldnt have installed it.

It wasnt the fact that it was stolen, but the files used on Engagdet were illegal Adobe files.

 

[Romanesq]

Whaaaaat?

How can Apple issue cease and desist to the Dev Team?

I thought those folks were anonymous just to prevent any such action?

 

[Krafty]

LOL, you must be new to jailbreaking.

Totally. I've never had a jailbroken unlocked 2G for 2 years before...

 

[scirica]

Listen, IMHO Geohot is crazy brilliant, but he does not have the discipline nor the patience to become a mainstream source of jailbreaking. Everything he does is on a whim, with little thought to a strategy.

If he feels like it, he'll create a jailbreak. Further to that, if he feels like packaging it for the public, he'll do that. All depends on what else is on his mind.

 

[Arisian]

How can Apple issue cease and desist to the Dev Team?

I thought those folks were anonymous just to prevent any such action?

If Apple REALLY wanted to... they'd find a way. No one is truly anonymous. I could be wrong, but when the giant (Apple) really wants to do something legally, they do.

I realize they think they are anonymous - and I also know that they are spread out over a large network, different nations in some cases... but if Apple gets really pisses, they will throw the lawyers out. It only takes one Dev Team member getting their ass handed to them to kinda set things in motion.

Nonetheless, my point is that I'm not sure that Apple sees the Dev Team as all bad... they have undoubtedly furthered how Apple is developing their software.

Disagree all you want - Im not a lawyer

 

[Press22]

kinda set things in motion.
Nonetheless, my point is that I'm not sure that Apple sees the Dev Team as all bad... they have undoubtedly furthered how Apple is developing their software.

Steve's iPhone probably has an apple made jailbreak.

But seriously Geohot... there's no need to tease.

 

[Arisian]

Steve's iPhone probably has an apple made jailbreak.

But seriously Geohot... there's no need to tease.

They are certainly paying attention, aren't they. wouldn't be surprised if there were JB'd items on the cupertino campus.

 

[TSX]

Listen, IMHO Geohot is crazy brilliant, but he does not have the discipline nor the patience to become a mainstream source of jailbreaking.

Remember he was the first person to hack the original iPhone, I guess you can call him the father of JB. I think his problem is he doesn't like all the stupid emails and questions he gets.

 

[Shoesy]

Limerain sounds like a really tasty cordial. Much better than yellow snow anyway.

 

[MikePA]

I think his problem is he doesn't like all the stupid emails and questions he gets.

Click Here - geohot doesn't like the emails and questions as much as Brer Rabbit didn't like the briar patch. The quote usually attributed to PT Barnum is proved correct everyday.

 

[thelatinist]

Remember he was the first person to hack the original iPhone, I guess you can call him the father of JB.

Well, that's not exactly accurate. Many people worked together to do the initial jailbreak of the iPhone. Geohot may have had a hand in it, I'm not sure, but he was only one of many. Geohot's first real jailbreak tool was purplera1n for the 3GS (using an exploit that two other people independently discovered and that the Dev-Team thought should be held for 3.0.1); quickpwn, redsn0w, and PwnageTool for the 2G and 3G all predated purplera1n. The only other jailbreak tool he developed, Blackra1n, really didn't have anything new in it...Geohot just combined already known hacks into a single one-click app.

Geohot real "first" was his unlock for the 2G. At that time he was working with the Dev-Team, and they all had a hand in the groundwork for his unlock. He was the first actually to complete a baseband unlock, but his method required hardware modification -- you had to take a soldering iron to your mainboard. The first true software unlock was BootNeuter, later incorporated into redsn0w. That was a Dev-Team release. Geohot's other unlocking accomplishments include discovering the exploit used for the first ultrasn0w unlock (though he didn't develop it into an unlock), and developing an already-discovered exploit into blacksn0w.

I'm not trying to take away from Geohot's accomplishments, here. He's a talented hacker and we all owe him a debt. But he did not work alone, and he relied heavily on the work of others; jailbreaking was a community effort, and without the rest of the community Geohot would not have been able to accomplish the things he has. Certainly I do not think he can accurately be described as the "first person to hack the...iPhone" or the "father of JB."

 

[TSX]

@latinist thanks for the correction, unlock is what I ment. I remember seeing him on CNN back in 2007 talking about it. I even think some guy traded him a Nissan z to unlock some phones for him.

 

[NaCl]

Ziphone?

I never used any of the ra1ns or snows. Anybody remember Ziphone? That's what I used on my 2g and was always able to update without locking my edge iphone.

http://ziphone.zibri.org/

 

[pasipple]

I just read three years of Geohot's blogs. Interesting stuff. I just wanted to get caught up with the history that is "Geohot"....in order to formulate my own opinion on his "legacy"?

http://iphonejtag.blogspot.com/

After reading his blogs I'd have to say i don't necessarily view him as so self-centered and arrogant as some would claim. He does give a lot of credit to others for contributions and collaboration with his work.

At times I suppose he seems a little "pissy" when prodded about work but who wouldn't if you were pestered by 1,000s or 10,000s of requests.

This isn't any post in homage to the guy...just my "uninformed" opinion....I guess....

 

[mgamber]

I just read three years of Geohot's blogs. Interesting stuff. I just wanted to get caught up with the history that is "Geohot"....in order to formulate my own opinion on his "legacy"?

http://iphonejtag.blogspot.com/

After reading his blogs I'd have to say i don't necessarily view him as so self-centered and arrogant as some would claim. He does give a lot of credit to others for contributions and collaboration with his work.

At times I suppose he seems a little "pissy" when prodded about work but who wouldn't if you were pestered by 1,000s or 10,000s of requests.

This isn't any post in homage to the guy...just my "uninformed" opinion....I guess....

I thought it was funny, those hundreds of pages of (hopefully) 14 year olds all falling over each other to be the first to not piss off some hacker, calling each posers and so on. It's a great read. And, of course, all paying homage, promising to name their first born, if you have paypal I'll contribute a bazillion dollars and all that....unless, of course, someone else releases something first in which case screw you and the horse you rode in on. I couldn't really care less about the actual jailbreaking bit or the hackers who write that stuff, I just wish it was something you could hold in your hand and throw to a throng of people who leave those messages and watch them kill each other over it. I'd buy that for a dollar!

 

[Romanesq]

nope....

If Apple REALLY wanted to... they'd find a way. No one is truly anonymous. I could be wrong, but when the giant (Apple) really wants to do something legally, they do.

I realize they think they are anonymous - and I also know that they are spread out over a large network, different nations in some cases... but if Apple gets really pisses, they will throw the lawyers out. It only takes one Dev Team member getting their ass handed to them to kinda set things in motion.

Nonetheless, my point is that I'm not sure that Apple sees the Dev Team as all bad... they have undoubtedly furthered how Apple is developing their software.

Disagree all you want - Im not a lawyer

I disagree. You're not a lawyer, not Apple and it's pure speculation.
The Dev Team members can take lots of precautions and do.

That is all.

 

[iUser4Lyfe]

I disagree. You're not a lawyer, not Apple and it's pure speculation.
The Dev Team members can take lots of precautions and do.

That is all.

If you really believe the Dev team cannot be found you are really out of touch with reality. Not saying its likely, but it most certainly is possible with enough resources.

Of course, I cannot wait for the ability to jailbreak my iPhone 4. I want SB settings soooo bad lol.

 

[Rooftop voter]

I don't think apple could do anything to the dev team legally. It's their devices and if they want to mod them, they can. If they want to distribute the mod, they can. It would be like ford saying you couldn't put an aftermarket exhaust on your mustang, it's not theirs to say what can and can't be done. Now niether ford nor apple would have to honor any warranty. Now, I believe apple has said that in their opinion jailbreaking is illegal, (although I'm not sure exactly on what grounds they think that, but I would assume it would have something to do with piracy) but they haven't taken any action on it. I think the reason that is, is because they would probably lose, and they don't want to set any precedent on the matter at this point. Just a guess though.