Right. That's why we can now buy major OS revisions at only $30 compared to $200 for Windows and also install on as many Macs in the house with one license. Yes, Apple is SO money hungry.
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Lion Clean Install Requires Snow Leopard Disk?
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Right. That's why we can now buy major OS revisions at only $30 compared to $200 for Windows and also install on as many Macs in the house with one license. Yes, Apple is SO money hungry.
Spot on, again.
Step 1: Get a job.
Step 2: Buy a new mac.
Step 3: End.
Yea no worries throw away a computer just because the HDD is dead.
Live CD
Instead of having to start all over from Snow Leopard, buyers of Lion should either be able to create a bootable Lion restore DVD from which they could clean install or be able to create some kind of thin client à la Live CD. This Live CD would only allow for a web browser and the Mac App Store, so you could recuperate your Lion download.
Instead of having to start all over from Snow Leopard, buyers of Lion should either be able to create a bootable Lion restore DVD from which they could clean install or be able to create some kind of thin client à la Live CD. This Live CD would only allow for a web browser and the Mac App Store, so you could recuperate your Lion download.
If the email is fake or not is besides the point. There is no official way to install it on a new HDD without Snow Leopard.
This is incredibly annoying and very unapple-ish.
I have a friend on a C2D iMac. He needs to go from Leopard til Lion. And would like to do a clean install. He will have to go through a lot of hassle.
I'm on Snow Leopard myself. And I'd like to do a clean install as well. Like really clean. Not a clean-Lion-install-on-top-of-a-clean-Snow-Leopard-install kinda thing.
Booh!
I have a friend on a C2D iMac. He needs to go from Leopard til Lion. And would like to do a clean install. He will have to go through a lot of hassle.
I'm on Snow Leopard myself. And I'd like to do a clean install as well. Like really clean. Not a clean-Lion-install-on-top-of-a-clean-Snow-Leopard-install kinda thing.
Booh!
I expect people to not read 'must' when somebody writes 'can'.How do you expect everyone to know that method off-hand?
I guess you would have preferred it if Apple had charged $129 and had thrown in a DVD. If it makes you happy, I will offer you to burn Lion on DVD for you for as little as $99, that will still be cheaper than the standard $129.
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You need to download and install Lion then boot into the recovery partion and erase the HDD and re-download and install Lion again.
Apple have gone bonkers this time around.
Clean Install is easy
The Recovery partition, about 600Mb, allows the user to use Disk Utility to zero out any other partitions on the drive. Then allows a clean install of a base OS. After that the system reboots and downloads the current files needed to build the Mac.
I suspect you can also do a network boot and install from another Mac. Creating a Netinstall system from OS X Server is also very easy to do and allows for an install of the current OS created from the downloaded Lion installer.
The Recovery partition, about 600Mb, allows the user to use Disk Utility to zero out any other partitions on the drive. Then allows a clean install of a base OS. After that the system reboots and downloads the current files needed to build the Mac.
I suspect you can also do a network boot and install from another Mac. Creating a Netinstall system from OS X Server is also very easy to do and allows for an install of the current OS created from the downloaded Lion installer.
If you get a new Mac pre-loaded, will that version of Lion count as an app-store purchase to allow you to re-download Lion for other Macs you own? Or is there a way to create the install disk from the new Mac's partition?
There's no way the Mac Pro will ever be like that, and unlikely the Macbook Pro will be (we have a while before the next update anyway
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I think some of this is over-reaction; Snow Leopard will only be required if your machine isn't usable, and therefore needs to be started up by disk, otherwise the first part of the Lion installation should be all that's needed since it'll create a boot partition for the rest of the process, from which a disk erasure may be performed.
All newer machines will presumably have a disk-based copy of Lion as a restore disk.
Therefore, the only problem is for machines that originally came with Leopard, and have no upgraded to Snow Leopard, but wish to upgrade to Lion. Unless a Mac App Store client becomes available for these machines then they'll need Snow Leopard first, or to get a copy from a machine with Snow Leopard on it (might be possible to use a friend's machine or such since the license is fairly liberal, so you can authorise their machine, download Lion, de-authorise the machine and take the copy home).
All newer machines will presumably have a disk-based copy of Lion as a restore disk.
Therefore, the only problem is for machines that originally came with Leopard, and have no upgraded to Snow Leopard, but wish to upgrade to Lion. Unless a Mac App Store client becomes available for these machines then they'll need Snow Leopard first, or to get a copy from a machine with Snow Leopard on it (might be possible to use a friend's machine or such since the license is fairly liberal, so you can authorise their machine, download Lion, de-authorise the machine and take the copy home).
I guess the real question comes once new laptops and or desktops are released without any media and your hard drive dies. How then do we reinstall the OS? SL discs won't work at that point. This will be interesting to see their response on how exactly they plan for disaster recovery of a hard drive or SSD failure.
This is extremely un-Apple like. This would make more sense if it came from Microsoft. Apple already figured out how to put OS X on a USB stick (ala SL on the Macbook Air), so I can't think why they wouldn't allow that on Lion. A quick 1 button process to create a bootable USB key is good enough. I hope this is just a wording game, just like how Apple said that you require Leopard to upgrade to Snow Leopard, while in reality you can simply boot from the Snow Leopard DVD and do a clean install without having Leopard.
Step 1: Get a job.
Step 2: Buy a new mac.
Step 3: End.
I assume you're trying to be funny. Obviously not a very 'green' solution - to trash a computer just because the weakest link (the hard drive) fails.
Interesting thought, and I just noticed something the heading of the section discussing recovery partitions in Lion is called "Internet Restore and Utilities".
Perhaps this is the "elegant" solution we've been looking for in this thread.
No one will know until those machines are released, but I would assume that the restore media that comes with new Lion systems would be locked to that make and model of Mac (just like all current Snow Leopard restore media is).
To upgrade an existing Mac, you will be told to buy the Lion upgrade (again, just like to upgrade an existing Leopard mac, you have to buy the Snow Leopard upgrade).
For all we know Apple will release a Knowledge Base document upon the release of Lion telling people to do exactly what several of us have already stated in this topic.
not true. i wiped my drive completely (repartitioned to 1 partition) booting off of a DVD i made of Lion DP4 and it installed just fine.