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Lion Clean Install Requires Snow Leopard Disk?

Craziest idea ever, the first thing i do when i buy a laptop is to wipe everything and make a clean install. Same thing after 6 month of use i do a clean install for well clean-up. So not roar for me , i have to settle with white kitty instead :)

Steve: please hear your users pledge and dont do anything crazy like this now.
 
daneoni said:
So i'm running 10.7.5 with related files/apps and all of a sudden my drive dies. I now have to go back and install an outdated OS (including all updates) first, before i can get back to the current one...and this is just fine and dandy with you two?
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Yes installing SL is a small fraction of the time your restoration from time machine will take.

Do you plan to do this weekly?
 
It could be argued that OS’s should not be downloads; that it’s too soon to make that leap. Since I’m not a modem user, I disagree and welcome this (very slightly rough) transition away from coffee coasters! :)
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The Linux world has been using OS downloads for more than 15 years now - and you coukd always create a boot medium for clean installations with Linux. Apple's approach is inferior in comparison and its only purpose is to lock customers into the AppStore. It's that simple.
 
daneoni said:
So i'm running 10.7.5 with related files/apps and all of a sudden my drive dies. I now have to go back and install an outdated OS (including all updates) first, before i can get back to the current one...and this is just fine and dandy with you two?
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If you are using Time machine for backups -- you can restore the entire drive (include OS 10.7.5) via the Time machine utility off of the DVD -- even using a 10.6 Install DVD.

If you are not using Time Machine then I assume you are using something that makes a bootable backup like SuperDuper! and you don't have a problem anyways.

If you are not using any backup system, then yes you are looking at a long project and yes...I'm fine with that (because in that situation it would be me own fault for NOT having a backup plan in place.)
 
Apple has to do it this way. It is the only way to get people used to the fact of using the App Store for everything.

The only way they will be able to sell their next rev of the MacBooks without optical drives.

Drop the reliance, embrace the new systems.
 
I think this is only for current SL users, SJ is answering that if you have a mac now and want to do a clean install you need to do a clean SL install, download and install Lion from the Mac App Store

For new machines with Lion preinstalled that want to reinstall the OS I suppose you'll have to use the Recovery Partition to restore from TimeMachine or re-downloading Lion.

Anyway, i'm pretty sure everybody will be able to make a DVD/USB/SD from the Lion "app" as you can do it now from the developer previews
 
How is this a "clean" install, when after installing Snow Leopard I have to enter my Apple ID to download Lion..? might as well just save time and wipe out my home directory, applications folder, and uugh, this will be a pain in the behind.

I'm not sure I believe the email and it's silly answer... Apple after all is after the positive user experience, and this sure doesn't fall under the category.
 
Apple has got to be hearing all of us griping about this asinine way of upgrading from pre-snow leopard or re-installing from dead HD. Wouldn't it be funny if they came out in a week or so and said that they were in fact going to supply media to those who ask?

It's kind of like how Apple handled the iPhone4 issue... people went nuts over the antenna issues, Apple came out and said "it's no big deal, but because we're so great, we're going to give you a free case." To those who aren't used to getting out of Steve's RDF, Apple comes out looking like geniuses and a great company...
 
Mr. Gates said:
Who Likes this

And who is just defending everything Apple does blindly ?

No Disk ....is dumb
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Show me a way to download a physical DVD and I will agree. This is only for people who are restoring from a dead system and have not copied their restore partition. If you have a live system, download the installer, make it into a bootable DVD, then install from that disk.

No mater what, after install, copy your restore partition to a flash drive.
 
vampyren said:
Craziest idea ever, the first thing i do when i buy a laptop is to wipe everything and make a clean install. Same thing after 6 month of use i do a clean install for well clean-up. So not roar for me , i have to settle with white kitty instead :)

Steve: please hear your users pledge and dont do anything crazy like this now.
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Why would you like to do that? :confused::confused:

These are Macs, not Windows laptops full of unwanted bad software preinstalled on them.

Also, that 6 month cleaning thing is way beyond insanity, I've been using my mac since Leopard on a Mac Mini, and I have allways moved my user to the new Mac, never formated or anything and it works like a charm.

There is no need to do that
 
ten-oak-druid said:
Any time you are replacing a bad HD there is lost time. This is nothing new. How often do you intend to wipe your drive and go through this process?

This is just a rumor and if true it is no big deal at all.

Installation of SL is not as long as older OS's used to be. I recently did it to upgrade my HD. It took under 1 hour for SL. And then the combined updates took no time at all. The largest amount of time was getting data from time machine.

But of course this was expected. It was a day I just planned to not have my computer available. And again the reason for that was the time machine restoration. That would happen even if there was a Lion instal disk.
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As much as you tried to make your own point, I think you just made mine.
 
People should stop going nutz over this.

As we have posted before, hundreds of times by now, you can create a bootable Lion install DVD using the Lion installer which comes from App Store.

So you will NOT need a SL install to install Lion.

If this email is indeed genuine, then that means the method I described above is not in the support policy of Apple.

I have installed Lion twice by now on a machine with a wiped clean hard disk using the above method.
 
Doesn't Lion and Final Cut X really boil down to the Apple Closed System? Sure you might still be able to install software from Adobe or Intuit in the future basically everything thing else will be with everything filtered through the App Store and available on your Apple authorized hardware.

While just the opposite of what I want many novice and casual users will be well taken care of with the closed system, just like they are with the iOS devices.
 
iBug2 said:
People should stop going nutz over this.

As we have posted before, hundreds of times by now, you can create a bootable Lion install DVD using the Lion installer which comes from App Store.

So you will NOT need a SL install to install Lion.

If this email is indeed genuine, then that means the method I described above is not in the support policy of Apple.

I have installed Lion twice by now on a machine with a wiped clean hard disk using the above method.
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I did it 4 times, 3 on iMac and 1 on MacBook. It works the same way Snow Leopard install works. If you want to upgrade you just go "next, next …", but you can also use Disk Utility to wipe disk clean. If the disk is new and empty so of course you can go "next, next …" too.

Non issue.
 
If I had to do a Reinstall of Leopard, then Install 4GB's of updates, then go to and download another 4GB Lion install to reinstall Lion. I think I might hold off on getting a Macbook Pro, and stay with my HP laptop for a while.

You've lost a customer Apple.
 
RalfTheDog said:
Show me a way to download a physical DVD and I will agree. This is only for people who are restoring from a dead system and have not copied their restore partition. If you have a live system, download the installer, make it into a bootable DVD, then install from that disk.

No mater what, after install, copy your restore partition to a flash drive.
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Thing is, tell my mother that.

We're not talking about the people on this forum

To the average consumer this is too complicated.

Actually, I just don't like it.

I know Apple is really exited about their App store, but don't shove it down our thoughts Apple !
 
longofest said:
Actually no. The media that came with my computer is 10.5.3 "Leopard". Whenever I need to do a re-install, I do it from my 10.6 "Snow Leopard" disk.
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So that means are you already comfortable with ignoring the method Apple officially supports and doing whatever works best for you (which is fine). In which case you can be a person who burns your own Lion DVD and installs it that way. Easy.

Just because you *can* do it that way doesn't mean it is the support method. On the flip side, just because one way is the officially supported way doesn't mean you HAVE to go that route.
 
What I dread is finding all my install DVDs unregistering all my software, digging my PGP keys out of the safe, writing 0's my boot drives, then after the OS and software reinstalls, reincrypting all my boot drives. The Snow Leopard bit will be the least of my problems.

PS. My bet is, the next OS will be named Snow Lion.
 
Any beta testers? How long does an installation of Lion take?

For myself SL takes about 30-40 minutes on a 2009 laptop.
The updates take less than that.
The time machine restoration takes almost a day - lots of media.

How much time does Lion add to the process? I can't imagine it being an extra half an hour.

I swear the people making a big deal about this are a bunch of concern trolls or the biggest whiners I've ever seen. Who expects replacing a hard drive to be no time at all? No one unless it is an install with no prior data ported over.

And how often do you do expect to do this?

Usually when I go through this it is because I'm upgrading to a larger drive and the benefit of the larger drive outweighs the loss of one day use of my computer.
 
iBug2 said:
People should stop going nutz over this.

As we have posted before, hundreds of times by now, you can create a bootable Lion install DVD using the Lion installer which comes from App Store.

So you will NOT need a SL install to install Lion.

If this email is indeed genuine, then that means the method I described above is not in the support policy of Apple.

I have installed Lion twice by now on a machine with a wiped clean hard disk using the above method.
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So....

Exactly how do you get to the App store to download this when you have a crashed hard drive,..bought a new one and are trying to install the OS ?
 
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