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LION is a poor OS for power-users.
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You have?
You are the only one calling people uninformed/anti-truth, responding to people's posts with only "logic-fail" when it really isn't and evading any sort of logical discussion.
Everyone responding is being quite civil
You have?
You are the only one calling people uninformed/anti-truth, responding to people's posts with only "logic-fail" when it really isn't and evading any sort of logical discussion.
Everyone responding is being quite civil
you just attacked and made personal accusations.
APPLE, PLEASE FIX LION. OR ARE YOU TRULY GIVING UP ON THE ACTUAL COMPUTING BUSINESS.
IS APPLE NOW JUST A PHONE COMPANY?
I only read the first page of posts, so sorry if I am missing anything.
But there is no need to fight over an OS! I am a power user, I edit with videos with Final Cut Pro 7 and photos with Photoshop, and I think that Lion is perfectly fine. My workflow has not changed at all when I switched from Snow Leopard to Lion. If the OS is hampering your ability to do your work then that is perfectly ok to not use it. You can use an operating system that helps you do what you need to do. There is really no need to argue over this. Some people may like the changes in Lion and some may not.
But there is no need to fight over an OS! I am a power user, I edit with videos with Final Cut Pro 7 and photos with Photoshop, and I think that Lion is perfectly fine. My workflow has not changed at all when I switched from Snow Leopard to Lion. If the OS is hampering your ability to do your work then that is perfectly ok to not use it. You can use an operating system that helps you do what you need to do. There is really no need to argue over this. Some people may like the changes in Lion and some may not.
I am having a discussion on a discussion forum. Sorry for your misinterpretation of the facts.
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And apparently your "discussion" involves telling us that Apple made a blunder with Lion without relating to us how its not working for you. Seems to me you're making your argument out of what others have experienced instead of a personal case, which only leads me to suspect you never even bothered to give Lion a spin.
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I was thinking about going to Lion.
I read the one link in here about Lion having trouble switching between onboard and the discreet GPU on the MacBook Pro's and subsequently freezing every few seconds.
That seems a bit of a pain, but there is a work around (If you are a "poweruser" then it's easy to implement).
Any reason not to upgrade if I'm using a MacBook Air? I have no intention in trawling through the forums for information, but I am interested in your assertion of Lion being a poor OS, your reasons why and how it might affect me?
A discussion on this matter I seek.
I read the one link in here about Lion having trouble switching between onboard and the discreet GPU on the MacBook Pro's and subsequently freezing every few seconds.
That seems a bit of a pain, but there is a work around (If you are a "poweruser" then it's easy to implement).
Any reason not to upgrade if I'm using a MacBook Air? I have no intention in trawling through the forums for information, but I am interested in your assertion of Lion being a poor OS, your reasons why and how it might affect me?
A discussion on this matter I seek.
I was thinking about going to Lion.
I read the one link in here about Lion having trouble switching between onboard and the discreet GPU on the MacBook Pro's and subsequently freezing every few seconds.
That seems a bit of a pain, but there is a work around (If you are a "poweruser" then it's easy to implement).
Any reason not to upgrade if I'm using a MacBook Air? I have no intention in trawling through the forums for information, but I am interested in your assertion of Lion being a poor OS, your reasons why and how it might affect me?
A discussion on this matter I seek.
The work-around is absolutely not an option for power-users. the work-around asks the power user to use only the crap Intel non-discrete graphics chip, this option is especially a fail if you are hoping to use an attached external monitor, such as the wonderful Apple Thunderbolt Display (27-inch). you are obviously not a power user...and this fix does not actually fix the issue for a large percentage of users with this broken-ness. this issue is with ALL 2010 15/17 inch MBPs
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It can be set to use the GPU not the discreet on board chipset.
and yo, what's up with your attitude? I'm asking questions and you are attacking!
I'm not a Mac "poweruser" But I am a programmer by training, and am a network admin and CCNA. I certainly have more control on Windows than OSX.
I only use OSX for the home as the integration is great.
I shudder at the idea of a network filled only with Macs.
and yo, what's up with your attitude? I'm asking questions and you are attacking!
I'm not a Mac "poweruser" But I am a programmer by training, and am a network admin and CCNA. I certainly have more control on Windows than OSX.
I only use OSX for the home as the integration is great.
I shudder at the idea of a network filled only with Macs.
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I love coming across a great, constructive thread every now and again.
I'm glad to see that Doug has clearly defined for us his idea of a "power user" and given us some great examples, providing a deep insight into his opinions of OS X Lion. Which, obviously, he would have used extensively in order to make this clear judgement on the system.
So often I see threads all over these forums of people just complaining about something new without even having tried it out, and simply base their opinions on what they have read about others' experiences (which I might add are bound to be largely biased as the users who are happy and content with their user experience are not going to be the ones posting), and have not actually tried things out for themselves.
So thumbs up to you Doug, for giving us all such a great idea of exactly what the problems in OS X Lion are for you, it's great to see someone giving a valuable contribution to these forums.
I'm glad to see that Doug has clearly defined for us his idea of a "power user" and given us some great examples, providing a deep insight into his opinions of OS X Lion. Which, obviously, he would have used extensively in order to make this clear judgement on the system.
So often I see threads all over these forums of people just complaining about something new without even having tried it out, and simply base their opinions on what they have read about others' experiences (which I might add are bound to be largely biased as the users who are happy and content with their user experience are not going to be the ones posting), and have not actually tried things out for themselves.
So thumbs up to you Doug, for giving us all such a great idea of exactly what the problems in OS X Lion are for you, it's great to see someone giving a valuable contribution to these forums.
but then Flash does not work so well, because Flash is actually working better with both the discrete and the crap Intel both on at the same time—if using an attached external display, or if only one it is actually better to use the intel with the new flash 11, Stream 720 or 1080 from Youtube or other sources much? Read the release notes for every flash update? Most likely not. Just because you program does not mean you are a power user. Also, more importantly, this is not even a fix, most continue to have the black-screen issue. Apple is replacing entire logic boards for the "loud screamers" about this issue, and even that is not working for all people. Apple has acknowledged this issue and said they have NO FIX currently.
You called me a douche, but I am a douche? logic-fail.
You are angered (called me a douche) because I made you look less than smart, we all feel that way when circumstances make one look less intelligent than one actually may be.
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Thank you for your opinion. I respect your belief.
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No, it is because you are acting like a child. you tried to belittle me by saying i am clearly not a "poweruser".
Do you have any idea about logic? Since when does playing flash be part of a power user? What do you do on your mac that elevates you above everyone else?
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Power user is about the total amount of uses you do with your computer. many tasks that require brain-power, like coding, actually requires very little computer power. streaming hi-def, while requiring very little brain power, requires much computer power. some things, like high end video editing, visual design with extremely hi-res images for certain forms of print-production, and other similar things require both brain power and computing power.
To me, personally, a power user is someone who is using Preview, Mail, Safari, chrome, Firefox, Photoshop, Fireworks, Dreamweaver, Illustrator, Acrobat Pro, bridge, Itunes, Image Capture, Text Wrangler, iCal, MS Word, TextEdit, MAMP—(i.e. a local testing server with Apache MySql, PHP), virtual machine effectively running Windows 7, digital color meter, fontbook, Freeruler, quicktime, google earth, calculator, dictionary, Air Display, Wacom tablet software, Growl, Menu meters, Dropbox, Skype, twitter, and streaming video all at the same time...Or something like that. I do not feel "elevated" above anyone—I do consider myself a power user.
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I do all of that minus the bold but add quark and Linux VM hooked to my external monitor with my "cappy onboard graphics"..thats OK power user..
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That's not a power user problem though. That's a hardware issue. Not to mention that same problem did happen with SL as well, just not as much as with Lion. And by hardware issue I don't mean people have faulty hardwares. I mean it only effects one particular batch of hardware. Also, stuff like that did happen in the past, Lion is not the first OS to cause hardware issues which the previous OS's didn't cause. My GPU did fry when I installed 10.6.1 for example. Or one of my DIMM's started to give ECC errors with 10.5.8. New software can cause hardware to malfunction, hardware which otherwise works fine. I'm sure Apple will solve this issue soon anyway.
A power user is a user of a personal computer who has the ability to use advanced features of programs which are beyond the abilities of "normal" users, but is not necessarily capable of programming and system administration.
From Wikipedia.
There are tons of power users who are not having any issues with Lion. So the whole argument that Lion is not suitable for power users is nonsense. Lion is not suitable for many things, but not power users as a category. Some power users will have problems, not because they are power users.
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