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shouldn't you complain to Apple?

AFP works fine for me but Time Machine doesn't work. At some point the NAS manufacturers will upgrade to netatalk 2.2 which I'm told will make it possible to make Time Machine backups again. I don't use a NAS but a Linux Server and unfortunately netatalk 2.2 has not been released to the public yet.

I think you should complain to your NAS manufacturer.

If Apple breaks compatibility with existing standard protocols, shouldn't you complain to Apple?

The manufacturer of the NAS box isn't responsible for the problem - it still meets all the specs that it always has.
 
Wow!

I'm using Lion now...

I can't believe Apple had the balls to fix the gesture scrolling problem.

This *never* made sense to me: you gesture up, the screen scrolls down. You gesture down, the screen scrolls up. I mean, I get why it was done that way... the gesture essentially moved a "point of focus", which the content would move under. When the point of focus was a mouse cursor, that sort-of made sense. But since scroll wheels and their successors, there is no mouse cursor... we were gesturing to move an imaginary cursor -- a point of focus -- and got used to expecting the content to move in the opposite direction in response. I admit I have no knowledge, but come on, this had to be a Microsoft idea, right?

Finally, Apple set this right!

It takes a few minutes to unlearn the old, inverted way, but geeze, it just makes sense finally.
 
Care to elaborate?

Rather than repeating what's already been, just glance over the many dozens of problems every other post here has with Lion.

I have many of the same issues.

This is Final Cut X all over again. But this time, a wider audience is getting the taste of Apple's new 'vision'.
 
A good result given my Imac only had 2 gb RAM

Had a great upgrade last night Australia time. I downloaded lion from 10:30 pm CST to 11:30 pm, made a boot Lion USB before upgrading (No clean install), Upgraded from snow leopard to lion took me 30 minutes and found that all major applications even Bryce 7 worked seamlessly (as under Snow Leopard) as did Adobe CS4 and office 2011.

Compatibility is impressive in both both hardware and software part. The only downside was the speed of some applications which was to be expected is given that I had only 2 gb RAM in the IMac with core 2 intel on which I bought in 2009. But I will get it upgraded to more RAM sometime in the future.

Still great work from Apple.
 
I have the ability to pay the extra $40, but why should I have to? Apple should accommodate all of their customers without some having to pay more than others for the same capability. I do not see why they didn't release their alternatives at the same time of the software.

Apple doesn't want to give people a cheap option because it wants you to get used to using the server farm. This is going to be a lot of people's first App Store download for their Mac (as opposed to for iOS devices). The servers are built and paid for, so using them to distribute the Lion update is basically free for Apple. So you don't have good internet access, well Apple wants you to fix that as well because they want you to have the type of internet access where you can buy lots of programs, music or video from them.

Also, $70 for an updated operating system is really actually a very reasonable price. Probably only 1% of Apple's customer are in your shoes, so you have to support the entire infrastructure of making these little boot USB drives and getting them shipped out. I'm not saying that is super expensive but it is a whole group of people that now have to do this. They probably started making these USB devices based on a master last night somewhere in China. Once they make a few thousand they will start shipping them over to the U.S. That is why they can't get here the instant Lion becomes available on the internet.
 
Lion has what is a fatal flaw to me. There are no arrow buttons in the scrollbars. Not even an option for them!

I am aware of all the other ways to scroll, so don't waste our time telling me about them.

When I am reading a web page, I want to to be able to click down one line at a time until the paragraph at the bottom is not cut off, then click in the scrollbar to go down a page. And repeat.

Scrolling with a scrollwheel or trackpad lacks the precision of clicking the arrow button or clicking in the scrollbar to go down a page. It is to easy to undershoot or overshoot exactly where I want to go which is one line down at a time. This means is takes longer to do scrolling than clicking the arrow button.

I also know you can go down one line at a time with the arrow keys, but this requires taking my hand off the mouse which also takes longer and is extremely annoying.

Not having arrow buttons in the scrollbar is intolerable! I use them constantly, and if I can't scroll windows then I can't use the computer. So this makes any improvements that Lion may have worthless.

One line at a time is still precisely what the arrow key does. It is all also very easy to do it very precisely with the trackpad on a MBP.

That's great for fanboys and people who prefer entertainment gadgets to computers.
For the rest of us, it's more important that a new os or software can make full use of the power of multiple cores, memory, gpus, etc.
If Lion fails to improve on these over SL, then it's worthless for serious work and not much value, whatever the price.

I bet you said the same thing about Snow Leopard and that was its biggest feature.

Today I got OS X Lion. I couldn't await to install it and test the new features. So far everything worked like intended and I was happy… until I launched Launchpad. I'm sorry but I have to say that it's seriously the most useless application/feature Apple has ever invented.

I got a lot of applications on my Mac. Many of them are just useless, like uninstallers, helper apps, Adobe's madness to create an app for every single task, etc. I would never ever drag such apps to the dock or any other tool that helps me starting an application within an blink of an eye. But Launchpad found them and put them right into my view. I thought "well then, I'll have to remove them".

But there is no option to configure Launchpad other than to drag icons around and creating folders. Ridiculous. I started to put all these useless applications into a single folder until it was full and I needed to create a second folder. These folders are now on "page 2" of Launchpad – waste of space and every time I open up Launchpad I see this second dot, telling me that there are more apps on the second page. It drives me nuts.

...


Is it just a goodie for Magic Mouse/Trackpad users? Even though I guess that there is no practical use for them either – at least if they use their computer for more than just surfing the web and writing a mail.

Launchpad uses a search path /Application ~/Applications maybe another path or two. Removing or adding files to the folders in that path will add them to launchpad. I use my computer for a lot more then browsing the web and email and so far I like launchpad. I doubt it will ever replace Alfred (mostly out of habit), but it is handy and easy to organize.

Hate Lion.

Put it on my little mba and will use it for now... to see if I get used to it.

So far, it's the very worst some of us feared, the iOS-ing of the Mac experience.

What a shame the direction Apple has decided to go.

Such as?

Things I hate so far:

no SMB Support
Yes there is.
Inverted Scrolling
Turn it off?
The devices menu is at the bottom of the sidebar
I know, great change.
gestures can not be changed properly
What?
Launch Pad shows a deinstaller for all Adobe products although they are all the same
Blame adobe, and/or remove them from the search path for launchpad.
itunes chrashed 5 times in 2 hours
Itunes 1.4 has not crashed for me yet.
free updates from itunes app store unavailable
Some people are having this problem, but updates are still working for me.
no ntfs support
Same read only NTFS support of all the previous versions of OSX. I am sure Fuse will be updated so you can write. Microsoft can be a little ticky about people making commercial software to write NTFS volumes.
no import from outlook in mail
Would have been a great feature.
address book looks completely stupid (there is way too much iOS Stuff that makes NO sense whatsoever in a Desktop OS)
Never used it before, and have not opened it since upgrading. Will take your word for it.
no support for rosetta apps
If you needed Rosetta, you should not have upgraded. This was well publicized...
actually this could go on for a while

Things I like

mmmhh...nothing...really nothing at all - for me the worst OS since Windows ME.


*if somebody knows a good NFS Tutorial for Lion I'd appreciate the link.
At least you are a reasonable person...

Care to elaborate?

None of them ever do, they just read that somewhere.

"Very Few Bugs" my a**.

I clearly remember how on the days when every single previous OS X version were released, many fanboys would rave about how there were "few" or even "no" bugs. Of course, they were extremely wrong. Such fanboys act as if Apple can do no wrong. The same types of fanboys vehemently denied (and still do to this very day) that the iPhone 4 antenna issue existed.

Apple's computers, smartphones, computer operating systems, and smartphone operating systems are, in my humble opinion, the best on the market. However, fanboys really need to pull their heads out of their a**es and stop their blind and fanatical Apple worship. Either give Apple criticism where criticism is due, or, at the very least, remain silent and stop vocally defending and denying when someone points out a flaw in an Apple product.

I would like to point out that the iPhone remains the best selling phone in the world and I seriously doubt anything matches its customer satisfaction ratings. I guess those people are all fan boys.

For a major OS releases, Lion is pretty stable. it is not perfect. A lot of the problems people are describing are developers who did not take advantage of the preview period to update their apps. Others are things that Apple just needs to fix. No one releases perfect software, but it is not as bad as you seem to want it to be.
 
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I must admit, at first I wasn't sure if I really liked Lion. Some features I did, some I wished I had back from Snow Leopard. However, after actually playing with it instead of moaning and complaining, I found that I actually prefer Lion so far. Not to mention, I was really excited once I found out spaces still exists, which was my one big problem with Lion at first.
 
That's great for fanboys and people who prefer entertainment gadgets to computers.
For the rest of us, it's more important that a new os or software can make full use of the power of multiple cores, memory, gpus, etc.
If Lion fails to improve on these over SL, then it's worthless for serious work and not much value, whatever the price.

Just curious... what roadblocks have you run into with GCD, CoreCL, and accessing memory in SL? :rolleyes:
 
A few questions about Lion:

1) Can mission control be completely disabled?

Sure, don't use it. (But Spaces is part of its function.)

2) Can Spaces be completely disabled?

Yes. Don't use it.

3) Can Dashboard be completely disabled?

Dashboard.app

Think about what happens when you delete an application.

4) If dashboard can be disabled, does it still show a space when using expose?

Not if you deselect the button in System Preferences -> Mission Control.
 
Rather than repeating what's already been, just glance over the many dozens of problems every other post here has with Lion.

I have many of the same issues.

This is Final Cut X all over again. But this time, a wider audience is getting the taste of Apple's new 'vision'.

Strange post since very few actual issues exist in this thread. A few people don't like the existence of launchpad, which is not actually an issue. A few others make generic unsubstantiated complaints about Macs now being turned into iOS devices because Apple decided to use a few common UI elements.

Some people don't like the look in iCal and the Address Book.

The only actual issue in the whole thread is using full screen apps with multiple monitors.
 
Just wondering if iDVD still works happily on Mac OS X Lion?

I understand that it has been removed from iLife, but if already installed does it still work OK after upgrade?

Thanks in anticipation...

It starts up normally. Not having an optical drive on this machine, not much point in digging further here.

Wasn't it one of the applications that got updated during the last week, along with the rest of iLife? There were so many...
 
You might actually need an optometrist, not a better font.


Edited so I can be less of jerk :) You could try Inconsolata, make sure you turn on antialiasing (its ok to use that in 2011) and it looks great at any size. Most people do not feel compelled to code in fixed width fonts anymore..

Thanks for the Inconsolata tip I'll give it a try.

Most people do code with fixed width fonts. In fact, it really is the only way it can be done productively. Also, take a look at the screen shot especially dreamweaver - that really the best they can do?

I need an optometrist?
 
I must admit, at first I wasn't sure if I really liked Lion. Some features I did, some I wished I had back from Snow Leopard. However, after actually playing with it instead of moaning and complaining, I found that I actually prefer Lion so far. Not to mention, I was really excited once I found out spaces still exists, which was my one big problem with Lion at first.

Dude, you are far, far too flexible to be a MR member.

Imagine: having one opinion and then changing it over time as you learn more. Ridiculous. I'm pretty sure you can get banned for that. :D
 
Thanks for the Inconsolata tip I'll give it a try.

Most people do code with fixed width fonts. In fact, it really is the only way it can be done productively. Also, take a look at the screen shot especially dreamweaver - that really the best they can do?

I need an optometrist?

I have been coding effectively for 30 years and the better part of the last 20 has been without fixed fonts :)

My optometrist comment was based on the fact that you selected such a terrible font for your example :)
 
If Apple breaks compatibility with existing standard protocols, shouldn't you complain to Apple?

The manufacturer of the NAS box isn't responsible for the problem - it still meets all the specs that it always has.

As far as I know AFP is not an open standard. There is an open source version of AFP available, though. Unfortunately the maintainer hasn't released the final version to the public but companies can still get it if they pay for "support". A somewhat dubious decision by the maintainer but it has been available for a month for a relatively small price and the NAS manufacturers should have gotten their act together.

Apple isn't to blame in this case.
 
The first impression is ok but i can't really tell if this is step forward yet. I'll be able to tell in 1 month.

One thing is for sure, Mission Control needs work. I can't even be able to rename desktops or just move the order of the desktops.
 
The first impression is ok but i can't really tell if this is step forward yet. I'll be able to tell in 1 month.

One thing is for sure, Mission Control needs work. I can't even be able to rename desktops or just move the order of the desktops.

I agree on Mission Control. It lets you close the desktops, but for some reason, the leftmost one, even if nothing's in it, cannot be closed. Um, why not?

On the other hand, full-screen terminal is fun!
 
I have been coding effectively for 30 years and the better part of the last 20 has been without fixed fonts :)

My optometrist comment was based on the fact that you selected such a terrible font for your example :)

i'm sure
 
I wonder what socks you are purchasing.

Try it first, then decide if you like it. Otherwise I am not fond of the "it's only $29, I'll just buy anyways mentality". I am much happier keeping my $29 this time and not having to deal with the App Store.

My big question is what do when my MacBook finally dies.

Personally, I'm partial to Pantherella ;)

But as for Lion, yeah, I'm planning to try it (as soon as I migrate away from Quicken 2005 this weekend). I'm sure it will take some getting used to, but eventually we gotta keep up with the new OS's, right?
 
To the Google Chrome users:

Is the 3-finger swipe to move between web pages broken in Lion? I know that initially, that gesture was assigned to Mission Control in the Trackpad preferences, but I disabled that and still can't get the swipe to work in Chrome.
 
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