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List of stuff that sucks in Lion

- 4 finger horizontal swipes are gone. I used them to switch between applications (now that only works for full screen apps).

- Hiding an application no longer sends it to the end of the CMD+TAB list, which sucks. Hide 3 applications, and press CMD+TAB it won't take you to the one which isn't hidden!

- Mission Control is ok - at least the 'expose' style windows are scaled again! I don't use spaces, so I'd like to turn that feature off permanently rather than seeing 'Desktop 1' etc at the top when there only is one desktop.
 
No pinch to zoom in icon view to enlarge the icons easily (no I don't want the status bar, I like the clean look).

Can't pull folders from the Finder sidebar, and in the upper bar removing folders is even different from the sidebar. You need to open a menu and pull the command/folder out the bar… weird and annoying. Both should behave just like the dock. The sidebar did in Snow Leopard.

Using Quicktime X en make a movie fullscreen (cmd+F) puts the movie in fullscreen in another space! Just like the cmd+ctrl+F control…(Making my second monitor useless and having 2 icons/commands that do the same)
I was used to watch movies on one monitor in fullscreen, while doing other things on the other monitor.

Dual monitor + fullscreen apps in general.

Automator can't change iTunes song information into 'Every Word Capitalized' etc. Why…why?!

Dictionary is at the bottom of your search query in Spotlight. I use dictionary a lot.

And of course the looks of both iCal and Address book.

Apart from that, I'm very happy with Lion.
 
surjavarman said:
5) Fullscreen apps. I am writing an email I have to finish it first before it before I can switch back to my mail program. Oh btw I can not cancel "a compose new message" window with my mouse button. I NEED TO USE A KEYBOARD SHORTCUT!!!! Whats the point of using full screen apps for anything except safari.

6) it takes another additional step to get in to system profiler. Just like basically everything takes an additional step in lion.

7) some of the gestures just do not work at all. Double tap to zoom or 3 finger double to to look up just don't work for me

9) No invert swiping between apps/desktops. Invert scrolling yet no invert swiping. Consistency, apple! Consistency
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5) I am not sure what you mean here. I compose a new email with Mail in fullscreen mode, and there is a cancel button right at the top of the message. I can click it with my mouse.

6) "System Information" is just an app like anything else. I press command-spacebar and begin typing "sy..." and it appears in spotlight.

7) These both work fine for me. I admit that zoom is relatively useless for me on a 13" screen, but the lookup feature is great. I will need to train myself to stop two-finger tapping and selecting "look up in dictionary".

9) There is no inconsistency. The system has you swiping in the direction which you are moving the surface. Don't think of it as "scrolling". Think of it as moving the surface you touch. To slide a webpage up, you swipe up. To slide a desktop left, you swipe left.
 
Safari sucks!!! You can found a great amount of bugs… not just one or two!

Also sometimes the mission control behaves strangely (the windows are on top of some others and it takes loads of time to load from time to time).
 
surjavarman said:
3) No library directory. There is probably a hack for that to get it to show but I haven't really gotten to it. But its an additional thing I need to do in combination with turning off all the feature I don't want to use (like invert scrolling, launchpad).
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Press Option and click Go on the menu bar.
 
Does anyone miss the kick-ass About This Mac... From the first DP? I do...
 
RoelJuun said:
Dictionary is at the bottom of your search query in Spotlight. I use dictionary a lot.
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-In settings, spotlight, you can drag the search results in the list around and change the order.-

Scratch that, dictionary isn't in the list... hmmmn.
 
jman240 said:
-In settings, spotlight, you can drag the search results in the list around and change the order.-

Scratch that, dictionary isn't in the list... hmmmn.
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Exactly, and I know that you can go quickly by holding the cmd key to jump per category. It still isn't very handy.
 
A big one I forgot somehow, a button that finally turns of the mouse-accelation. I think that people will be as happy with that, as with the 'new' cut/paste commando.
 
Alaerian said:
This was WELL documented before Lion was released. If you still purchased it knowing full well that PPC support was dropped, then that's nobody's fault but your own.
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I have to set up dozens of computers a month. For our deployments, we depend on certain apps previously supported only through Rosetta. It's not practical to buy every future machine in advance so we'll have Snow Leopard or earlier. It also won't be possible to downgrade future machines with Lion or greater installed.

I don't expect Apple to support everything indefinitely, but I don't appreciate the implication that dealing with a new OS is a totally voluntary option. Even for average users, new versions of apps will only be supported in Lion and above.
 
fisherking said:
every new OS prompts these kinds of threads.

i don't get it. eventually, there will be OS updates to fix and tweak things.
people will, in the meantime, adapt.

this IS the new OS; use it or don't.
one day, some of your apps may require it as a minimum OS, so deal with it, or get left behind. i mean, there are people out here still complaining about what they miss from OS9...

watch for shareware/freeware tweaks (i'm doing that).
find workarounds, figure out solutions...
move forward, like everyone else.


just my humble opinion... :D
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Where do you think the tweaks and updates come from? If people didn't complain, Apple won't make changes.
 
fisherking said:
every new OS prompts these kinds of threads.

i don't get it. eventually, there will be OS updates to fix and tweak things.
people will, in the meantime, adapt.
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If you want to disagree, fine. Do that. But I don't understand all the Apple bootlickers trying to shut down every discussion about a new OS's flaws.

Threads like this help confirm common bugs, and clarify one's opinion of a feature so that suggestions can be submitted to Apple later. I'd wonder whether Apple employees lurk some boards to gauge the reception of an update (speculation, certainly).

I also see solutions and workarounds being offered, which might not have been found had a user never mentioned anything. The only useless thing (well, including this post, since it's in response to uselessness) is the chorus of lickspittles singing about Apple's infallibility. You act like there's no possible thing Apple could do that you wouldn't wholeheartedly agree with.
 
1. Mission control is frigging terrible. It doesn't work properly most of the time (for me), and even when it does it's not usable. An Exposé adjustment to include app icons in an all windows mode would have been better.

5. I thought full screen apps would be helpful in minimizing distraction, as in word processors that offer the same, or Adobe apps. But the implementation is so awkward at this stage it's impractical.

In general, I'm not encouraged by the idea that Apple is trying to make a desktop OS behave more like a phone. It's a slap in the face to power users, and an awful trend that'll set the stage for total dependence on an internet connection, and DRM on everything. At this rate, we'll eventually have to jailbreak our Macs just to get anything done outside of rudimentary noob stuff.
 
kappaknight said:
Where do you think the tweaks and updates come from? If people didn't complain, Apple won't make changes.
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apple is pretty unresponsive IMHO. the only time i think they heard their users...adding firewire back to the macbook line.

cracklaquer said:
If you want to disagree, fine. Do that. But I don't understand all the Apple bootlickers trying to shut down every discussion about a new OS's flaws.

Threads like this help confirm common bugs, and clarify one's opinion of a feature so that suggestions can be submitted to Apple later. I'd wonder whether Apple employees lurk some boards to gauge the reception of an update (speculation, certainly).

I also see solutions and workarounds being offered, which might not have been found had a user never mentioned anything. The only useless thing (well, including this post, since it's in response to uselessness) is the chorus of lickspittles singing about Apple's infallibility. You act like there's no possible thing Apple could do that you wouldn't wholeheartedly agree with.
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am not saying that at all, i have a laundry list of complaints about Lion...am just saying that we either move forward, or don't. i know lots of people on 10.4.11 complaining about not being able to do things like sync their iPhones...
 
Hey guys, new here...mid 2009 MBP. Everything I do on this computer has to do with media and burning, and my biggest gripe would be that VisualHUB is no longer working even with a legit serial (yes, I purchased it myself lol) as well as toast missing some xvid codec to get it to burn in dvd format. I'm a simple plug and play type of guy, I'm not one for going out and finding things on my own and replacing/renaming files to get things to work. That's why I bought a mac in the first place, simplicity. Now that all of my programs I use daily do not work, I am switching back to snow leopard, unless anyone has found a working program to replace toast....?
 
fisherking said:
every new OS prompts these kinds of threads.

i don't get it. eventually, there will be OS updates to fix and tweak things.
people will, in the meantime, adapt.

this IS the new OS; use it or don't.
one day, some of your apps may require it as a minimum OS, so deal with it, or get left behind. i mean, there are people out here still complaining about what they miss from OS9...

watch for shareware/freeware tweaks (i'm doing that).
find workarounds, figure out solutions...
move forward, like everyone else.


just my humble opinion... :D
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Do you work for Apple?

Address Book:
Awful look.
If you are in a group, you can't click on a person listed in the group to see their contact info, you have to turn the page first.
Dreadful. Terrible.
You also can't copy and paste all of the info from a card. You could do this in Leopard. This was lost in Snow Leopard.

Mail:
No type to find feature.
The find that they do have is cumbersome.
There is no way to sort messages easily by subject, author, etc.
Too few message headers appear in the middle column, so you can't easily see hundreds of message subjects at once.

No Rosetta. 'Nuf said.
 
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I find any web browsing buggy :( Chrome constantly crashes doing the most mundane of tasks, Safari is a little buggy.

Mission Control can be annoying - some apps get to high up and block the view of my different desktops, so i can't get to them. Also the wallpaper on each desktop is different - it keeps trying to load the default nebula whenever I restart etc.

Some Photoshop features don't work either -- editing photos can be infuriating when you've got so far, and the app just crashes on you, sometimes even wiping saved progress.
 
I've started to like Lion after two weeks' use, but I'm still quite bitter about this issue:

I use encrypted 10MB .dmg files to sync personal documents between several machines via Dropbox. The documents are text files that vary in size from a few kb to about half a MB. I use TextEdit to edit the files.

I've been doing this for years on Snow Leopard. On Lion, this came to a crashing halt.

Versions completely destroys this workflow, as the extra space on a 10MB volume is filled up within minutes of use. You get an error message and cannot continue.

The workaround, of course, was simple. I've switched text editors to one that doesn't currently support Versions. But I'll have to create larger .dmg volumes for the future time when all text editors will support Versions.

So it's a 'just don't hold it that way' kind of solution and I really do resent it.

Otherwise, I've been fortunate with Lion and am currently not noticing it at all, which is what we want from an OS. Even the choppy animations seem to have settled down.
 
Mr. Retrofire said:
No, it is a PowerPC application, which can run within the Rosetta environment.
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Not according to their System Requirements:

http://quicken.intuit.com/personal-finance-software/mac-personal-financial-software.jsp

Mac system requirements
Here's what you'll need to run Quicken Essentials for Mac …
Computer Intel®-based Apple® Mac
Operating System Mac OS X v10.5.8 or later (Leopard) or
Mac OS X v10.6.2 or later (Snow Leopard)
Hard Disk Space 1 GB free hard disk space
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daveslc said:
Mail:
No type to find feature.
The find that they do have is cumbersome.
There is no way to sort messages easily by subject, author, etc.
Too few message headers appear in the middle column, so you can't easily see hundreds of message subjects at once.
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Although the find in Mail is not as robust as something like Outlook, it works very well for what it is. I don't find it cumbersome at all. Yes your right about "no way to sort messages easily by subject, author, etc". Also what client do you use that let's you easily see hundreds of message subjects at once? Or are you comparing a email client to a checking on the browser? Even on Outlook I can't do that with all my mail collapsed. Lion's Mail collapse sucks, it doesn't even collapse anything(at least in the traditional sense).

Lion's Mail compared to previous versions is a huge upgrade!! I can finally use it for my personal email. Previous versions were just to horrible to use for anything. I still use Outlook for my business emails.
 
Merthyrboy said:
Time machine keeps freezing my computer. It's really annoying because the back up app should not crash it just makes it look unsafe.
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There is something else going on with your computer. There may be some issue with your hard drive. See what is reported in the console app. Try and do a verify on your boot hard drive and your time machine hard drive in disk utility. Boot to the restore partiton when using disk utility. You might need to run something like DiskWarrior on your hard drive(s) as well.

h4lp m3 said:
I HATE how I can't do 2 fingers forward and back pages in FireFox.
It's rediculous because the command in the System Prefs specifically says "Swipe Between Pages". It's like it doesn't recognize web pages as actual "pages"... I wonder what the reasoning of this is. Does teh Steve think we're going to be switching Desktops more than we're going to navigate in web pages?
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And how exactly is this the fault of Apple? Two finger swipping between pages works in Safari as expected. Report this to Mozilla as this is their program.
 
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cracklaquer said:
If you want to disagree, fine. Do that. But I don't understand all the Apple bootlickers trying to shut down every discussion about a new OS's flaws.

Threads like this help confirm common bugs, and clarify one's opinion of a feature so that suggestions can be submitted to Apple later. I'd wonder whether Apple employees lurk some boards to gauge the reception of an update (speculation, certainly).

I also see solutions and workarounds being offered, which might not have been found had a user never mentioned anything. The only useless thing (well, including this post, since it's in response to uselessness) is the chorus of lickspittles singing about Apple's infallibility. You act like there's no possible thing Apple could do that you wouldn't wholeheartedly agree with.
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Its not so much bootlicking as it is people getting tired of the bitching and moaning over the same exact things that were mentioned in a billion other threads, even though they should know it a major OS release, and as a major OS release one should expect changes, and you may not like some of these changes.

Yet, people will still upgrade blindly, and then we get the same stupid "OMG ITS NOT SNOW LEOPARDS QQQQQQ wheres my spaces rosetta library QQQQQQQQ!!!!!!11one" thread.

Rosetta was a stop-gap measure in the PPC-Intel transition, to expect Apple to support your old PPC apps till the end of time is foolish, go use Windows if you want to keep using the same software 20 years from now, the rest of the world will just progress without you. However, it does not excuse Apple from not making it obvious that Lion was the end of the line for Rosetta.

Mission control is here to stay, what I don't understand is why Apple didn't enable App Expose (Control + Down arrow on the keyboard) by default for multitouch trackpads.

The Library is hidden to protect the user from themselves, if you know what you're doing when you mess around in there you would know how to unhide it.

Right now Lion is in dire need of bug fixes, there are far, far to many for a final product.
 
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