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Show's over and not a beep about when the new OS upgrades will become available.
Apparently, not today; unless a miracle happens.
Usually, the GM should come out today.

I know. Crazy. They also didn't mention the available capacities on the new phones... in Case you missed, iOS 13 will be released on September 19th. iPadOS and iOS 13.1 is following on September 30th.
 
Pardon the harsh language, but screw all this multi-model iPhone madness. I'm ready again for a one-size fits all model. It used to be good enough for Apple to come out with one compelling model that had truly must-have features (for instance, iPhone 4 with the Retina display). Just pick a size somewhere in between the Max and SE and leave it at that (thinking a phone about the size of the X but a little wider is ideal).

They say choice is good, but in my opinion I don't think a plethora of choices is good for Apple or their customers in the case of the iPhone. For Apple, having to come out with multiple models just dilutes the new features that can be developed across the board. As much money as Apple has, there are only so many Engineers and Product Designers to go around (as well as other folks necessary for the development of new products). Having to distribute those human resources across three (well, let's just say two since the iPhone Pro and iPhone Pro Max aren't really that different) hurts their ability to zero in and focus on one phone that will dominate the competition. Instead they are forced to drag out their 'generational lines' and end up releasing lackluster incremental iterations. I'm not saying they need to do a complete revamp every year, but Apple's customer base is fickle and to them any particular model sticking around for more than two years feels like overstaying its welcome.

Just thinking out loud here. Maybe I'm wrong and having a differentiated iPhone line up is the way of the future for Apple from here on out. I just think reducing the number of products (don't get me started on the iPad) is a way to get a handle on all of the 'complexity creep' that seems to have taken hold of Apple.
 
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Wow! I salute you for holding out ! It’ll be more than worth it to upgrade. Of course, depending on your use case.

I am with you. I have 2 of the originals and see no reason to move. They are there to tell me that something needs attention on the much more useful device in my pocket. Nothing else really interests me on a watch.
 
If you want the best bang for your buck and more future-proofing, save your money and wait for next year's iPhone 11S. At least you'll have 5G and bilateral wireless charging.
I know and it’s hard to think about missing that . . . Sometimes I wish I didn’t spend so much time on macrumors.
 
Pardon the harsh language, but screw all this multi-model iPhone madness. I'm ready again for a one-size fits all model.

I agree with you. The crazy lineups of iPhones and iPads is absurd. When they showed the models, from 8 to 11 Pro Plus, it made you roll your eyes. I understand having prices for different buyers, but it makes them look schizo -- like they can't decide what to sell.

The watch lineup is far simpler and makes sense. Get the latest or get a gen 3 at an attractive discount.
 
I agree with you. The crazy lineups of iPhones and iPads is absurd. When they showed the models, from 8 to 11 Pro Plus, it made you roll your eyes. I understand having prices for different buyers, but it makes them look schizo -- like they can't decide what to sell.

The watch lineup is far simpler and makes sense. Get the latest or get a gen 3 at an attractive discount.

That was my reaction as well to the 3 different phones being showcased. It was almost as if they were grasping at straws to find ways to truly differentiate the different models beyond screen size and number of cameras. Agree with the cost aspect too, I can see that as a service to the buying populace out there as not everyone may not be able to afford the high cost of a top tier model. And yeah, they are definitely doing it right with the Watch model by only having one come out per release cycle.
 
I know. Crazy. They also didn't mention the available capacities on the new phones... in Case you missed, iOS 13 will be released on September 19th. iPadOS and iOS 13.1 is following on September 30th.
Yeah, I watched the Event. Also, I wrote my post at around 3:00pm but forgot to submit it. Then about an hour later Apple released iOS 13 GM and more betas.
iOS 13 was rushed out (see Release Notes :eek:!!!). iPadOS 13.1 may come up on September 30th.

And macOS Catalina is as raw as raw can be.
 
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Which is true. However, I don't want to carry my DSLR around with me wherever I go. I tend to have my phone (and thus a camera) with me at all times.

And you're absolutely right. But the camera difference from the Xs to 11 is minuscule compared to the DSLR. The Xs camera people were raving about 12 months ago and X camera people thought was amazing 24 months ago are still just as good as they ever were and are very capable for a cell phone camera. I doubt many people can tell if a photo was shot on an X or 11 just by looking.

So keep the previous model and have an excellent phone camera with you at all times. Then you can spend the $1000+ an iPhone 11 would cost on DSLR hardware and have a truly amazing camera you can take with you the 0.1% of the time you actually expect to want an amazing camera.

Or better yet for the vast majority of people, keep the older iPhone, save at least $1000 for something more worthwhile, and still have an excellent iPhone with you all the time that takes pictures that are realistically just as good as the 11 99.9% of the time.
 
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Duh. I'm on the west coast. 5am is not a convenient time!

To each their own. I’m usually up early and fortunately not traveling to work at that time of morning. 5am would have been fine for me, but morning commutes and needs do vary.

Getting up at 2am was not fun, well, it kind of was, but not really. 7am will be by far better for me. I will already be up with time before having to commute to the office.
 
I agree with you. The crazy lineups of iPhones and iPads is absurd. When they showed the models, from 8 to 11 Pro Plus, it made you roll your eyes. I understand having prices for different buyers, but it makes them look schizo -- like they can't decide what to sell.

The watch lineup is far simpler and makes sense. Get the latest or get a gen 3 at an attractive discount.
The watch lineup isn't so simple. In addition to the two different sizes (40mm and 44mm) there are also different material types (aluminum, stainless steel, and now the new titanium and ceramic materials), different colors in each of those variations and also the Nike edition and hermes edition. Some are GPS only, some have GPS + Cellular. The different models also contain different watch bands from sport bands to leather to milanese loop.
 
The watch lineup isn't so simple. In addition to the two different sizes (40mm and 44mm) there are also different material types (aluminum, stainless steel, and now the new titanium and ceramic materials), different colors in each of those variations and also the Nike edition and hermes edition. Some are GPS only, some have GPS + Cellular. The different models also contain different watch bands from sport bands to leather to milanese loop.

Sure, there are a lot of choices, but most of what you list are aesthetic choices. The hardware is the same in all of the watches except for the cellular chip. It's not comparable to the five distinct iPhone hardware choices the public have to contend with.
 
To each their own. I’m usually up early and fortunately not traveling to work at that time of morning. 5am would have been fine for me, but morning commutes and needs do vary.

Getting up at 2am was not fun, well, it kind of was, but not really. 7am will be by far better for me. I will already be up with time before having to commute to the office.
Which is why my original comment stated if they're gonna move it up past midnight then why not just move it to 8am or 9am PDT that way both coasts can be up in the morning to pre-order.
 
Just checked. They would offer me 260 € for my 10 month old 8 Plus 256 GB... in almost new condition. I paid 959 € for that also 10 months ago... insane. But i wanted to keep it anyway. This thing will last me years.

So, we lose about €700 in 10 months if we would go with the deal, no way Apple.
Think I can get about €700-800 for it, it's in an immaculate condition.
 
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So, we lose about €700 in 10 months if we would go with the deal, no way Apple.
Think I can get about €700-800 for it, it's in I'm, immaculate condition.

For such offer i would actually get the iPhone 11 256 GB... and pay only 200€ for it. But not for that lousy 260€ offer. No way i am doing that!
 
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Apple Arcade is looking underwhelming. Especially on the Mac.
I'm still going to support it because I want it to be successful and it doesn't cost very much. There should at least be enough content for my kids to have fun with on occasion.
 
For such offer i would actually get the iPhone 11 256 GB... and pay only 200€ for it. But not for that lousy 260€ offer. No way i am doing that!

Seems to me the best deal you can get right now if you "need" a new iPhone is the "plain" iPhone 11, close to if not exceeds the XS for about half the money.
 
Makes it more like a real watch. I wonder if this tech will eventually make it to an ipad as a competitor to eink type readers (like Kindles)
That's actually a really good point. Or the iPhone lock screen could always stay on so you can easily glance notifications or widgets. Some people have been wanting that for a long time as well (I have found that having an Apple Watch mitigates my need for that).

Imagine if they could get it down to the point where they could only drive parts of the display that were moving/changing to optimize battery life even more. Or even if you're just reading your iPhone, I typically scroll, stop for a bit and read, scroll, stop a bit and read, etc. That's a lot of potential power savings.
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Well they are only broadcasting in 1080p. (I think).
Yeah, but at the time you could tell by the muddy textures and poor water effects and shaders that it wasn't all that impressive. Reminded me of Switch ports.
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??? I'm using the white sports band that came with my series4 Silver Stainless Steel Apple Watch.
Well, I was speaking more for myself, but also for people who have had multiple Apple Watches now and have multiple white or black bands because of that. So much better to get to choose something new!
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Sure but for what content exactly? I mean the catalog of other offerings is massive. Think HBO etc. I just don't see what Apple is bringing to the table? I want access to their catalog for a monthly price, not access to only their original content. Honestly, did I miss that part or is it JUST their ho hum original stuff?
Well many people were calling $10/mo, and you really can't charge any less than $5 because that's nuts. Most people will get it free though with their Apple devices and get hooked into it and newer seasons over the years and newer shows that get added. You can't just start with a huge catalog. Eventually it will go mass market when they have a lot of content (if the shows are good enough for it to be successful in the first place) and they will end up raising the price a bit. The purpose of this is the ecosystem and driving more sales to iPhone and iPad by giving what they think will be hit shows away to free for hardware purchases. We'll have to see if it works, but for Apple it's not much of a risky play with all their money.
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And don't forget the new Mac Pro...we'll see if it happens this year. https://www.apple.com/mac-pro/
I mean, they already showed off the new one on stage. It's just a matter of shipping it now, although at this point I think the CPUs are already outdated, lol. Wish they would put some of those new AMD ones in there.
 
Seems to me the best deal you can get right now if you "need" a new iPhone is the "plain" iPhone 11, close to if not exceeds the XS for about half the money.

iPhone 11 is amazing. iPhone 11 has everything the average consumer ask for. But no, i don't need one. My 8 Plus isn't even 1 year old and i wanna keep it for atleast 2 more years.
 
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Well, I was speaking more for myself, but also for people who have had multiple Apple Watches now and have multiple white or black bands because of that. So much better to get to choose something new!
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Oh okay, I guess that makes sense then.
I usually include the band when I sell of my old watches though. The only time I didn't was when I kept the Black Link Bracelet that was included with my Space Black SS series 0 watch. I threw in a black sports band that I also had. My SBSS series 2 also included a black sports band that I included when I sold it and purchased a SS series 4 with the white sports band.
 
Pardon the harsh language, but screw all this multi-model iPhone madness. I'm ready again for a one-size fits all model. It used to be good enough for Apple to come out with one compelling model that had truly must-have features (for instance, iPhone 4 with the Retina display). Just pick a size somewhere in between the Max and SE and leave it at that (thinking a phone about the size of the X but a little wider is ideal).

They say choice is good, but in my opinion I don't think a plethora of choices is good for Apple or their customers in the case of the iPhone. For Apple, having to come out with multiple models just dilutes the new features that can be developed across the board. As much money as Apple has, there are only so many Engineers and Product Designers to go around (as well as other folks necessary for the development of new products). Having to distribute those human resources across three (well, let's just say two since the iPhone Pro and iPhone Pro Max aren't really that different) hurts their ability to zero in and focus on one phone that will dominate the competition. Instead they are forced to drag out their 'generational lines' and end up releasing lackluster incremental iterations. I'm not saying they need to do a complete revamp every year, but Apple's customer base is fickle and to them any particular model sticking around for more than two years feels like overstaying its welcome.

Just thinking out loud here. Maybe I'm wrong and having a differentiated iPhone line up is the way of the future for Apple from here on out. I just think reducing the number of products (don't get me started on the iPad) is a way to get a handle on all of the 'complexity creep' that seems to have taken hold of Apple.
I don't think having only size works for everybody though. I tend to go for the larger phone and my gf prefers a smaller sized one. When the X came out she upgraded to it and after trying it out for a little while I decided to stick with my 7 plus. When the Xs series came out I happily upgraded to the Xs Max as I wanted the bigger size.

Now with the new models releasing, my gf will be upgrading to the 11 Pro as the AC+ on her X is almost finished and she is really into photography it is a nice upgrade for her (and she doesn't always have her DSLR with her.) She still doesn't want the larger size model though. If I were to upgrade myself to a new phone then I would go for the Max model again (I'm perfectly happy with the Xs Max though, so i won't be upgrading myself.)
 
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