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Thoughts after watching the presentation:

• I gotta admit the TouchBar is cool, but as an editor, it needs to handle Avid, Premiere, and Davinci Resolve.
• Using AMD again...I'm torn between of trying it out and see if it's better in 4GB form and all its glory...and jumping ship because of no Nvidia GPU.
• Taking away the MagSafe and headphone jack was a HUGE mistake on Apple's part, but adding the 4 USB-Cs is a plus.
• Great, more crap to remember...

Bottom line: Upgrades are cool, but taking away the "essential ports" is just...[speechless].

They didn't remove headphone jack...?
 
Just agreed with my daughter to buy her the "old" 13.3" MacBook Pro with Intel Core i5, 8GB RAM, 512GB Flash Storage and Magsafe, SD card reader, and real USB ports for £50 less than the newly announced base model (which ahs a slower processor and half the size of SSD. She was not impressed by the keyboard on the MacBook so worried what this new one would be like, and the "old model" is much more useful with all those ports.

For the same reason, when my MacBook Pro, which is my work machine, is on the way out I will now be looking to Windows - hopefully in a few years - as the new ones are just proof of the dumbing down by Apple.

Got that exact machine with Parallels with XP, W7 and W10 had it a year, very happy but bought from JLP with free 3rd year guarantee on a special they run every so often.
I like JLPs return and 2 year standard guarantee.
Black Friday soon may be worth holding out if you have a JLP local?
 
First off I don't like comparing these 2 products. They're obviously aimed at different markets. Apple clearly has the DJ market sewn up forever.

Second, a fully loaded MBP has 4 Thunderbolt USB-C ports while Surface Studio has 4 USB 3.0 ports. Apple always trumps on I/O.

Full sized USB 3 ports that I believe are bakwards comparible and offer the same or similar speeds plus a standard SD card reader and DisplayPort:

4 USB 3.0
Full-size SD card reader (SDXC compatible)
Mini Displayport
3.5mm headset jack
Compatible with Surface Dial onscreen interaction1

I would rather take those ports then USB C and a bag full of adapters anyday. Oh and they are BOTH aimed at the same markets, they are both aimed at Professional illustrators and designers and artists and editors etc.. did not see the touch pad photo and video editing demo?
 
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So 1700 euros (or something like that, I forget) for the new 13" MBP with Touch Bar.

As I have been using my current MBP daily for six years, that new machine would be about 283 euros / year, and just shy of 80 cents a day, factoring similar usage patterns and life expectancy. Considering that I spend more than that on coffee every day, I have a really hard time crying about the pricing.

iMac? Mac Pro? Don't need, don't care. I got what I came for.

EDIT: Actually it's ~2100 euros. Still something I use and need daily, and still less than that cup of coffee.
 
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Nah, to much trouble around the corner with that concept. Hackingtoshes are for fun. I need to work on it.

I'm working on hackintosh. One that is 3 years old and still outperforms "amazingtouchbarbestmacbookweveeverbuilt" machine presented today. Built for less than 3500$ (including CPU + VRM + GPU + VRAM + RAM watercooling).
Yes, it requires knowledge. About hardware compatibility, EFI, etc.
Is it worth going this path? No. Not any more.
System with constant SMB shares issues, ancient filesystem, no reliable backup (TM is joke, a terribly inefficient one), heavily outdated OpenGL and half-baked Metal that no one uses, retarded mouse acceleration and tons of annoying issues. I loved, absolutely loved Snow Leopard. And it was worth to do hackintoshes back then. But now - don't waste your time, get powerful rig and install Linux (new KDE Plasma rocks!) or windows.
 
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In Maya I have about 40 different shortcuts and I NEVER look at the keyboard when typing or working.
I have to actually look at it, press something to show more options since many apps rely on F keys at all times and without a actual button I will have to look at what I am pressing. This is as backwards and time consuming as it gets.
You might not see it but if each hour of work will take away 5 minutes of peeking and trying to locate the icon then at the end of my 30 month project I loose a LOOOT of time and have to pay a lot of money to people that work on it too.
In just one year I will loose circa 6 days, multiply that by 25 overpaid designers, programmers and other people and just imagine how those 5 minutes an hour effect the final bill.
And all I have is a small shop.

This is a massive difference.
I can't remember the last time I used a function key other than to adjust volume, etc. Apple is taking what for most is "dead" space and making something useful out of it.
 
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pro does not equal your pro. there are many pros out there doing different pro things.
Pro meaning Professional, as in the three main "professional" categories apple explored and demonstrated today - Video editing, Photography, and Music Production. If you're not in any of these three categories than YOUR "pro" does not equal what apple considers pro.
 
Oh dear. This keynote was an absolute joke. It seems that no one has emptied the lint trap on Apple's Reality Distortion Field generator since Steve's untimely passing. So sad for Mac.
It was a particularly underwhelming keynote, yes. There's been a lot of unwarranted "worst ever" verdicts in the past, so I can understand if people take the complaints with a grain of salt or dismiss them entirely, but honestly... I've watched these things since the Titanium PowerBook, and I struggle to remember a worse one. It was a funeral for function keys plus the announcement of a TV app called TV. That's weak, like Motorola ROKR weak.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if the reason the iMacs are "delayed" until 2017 is because the Apple people got a sneak peek at the Surface Studio and couldn't present a decent competitor today. Now they have to scramble. That Surface Studio looks awesome.
 
Everything Apple does leaks months before. So the reason we haven't heard anything about the iMac, Mac Pro, Mac mini is a) the line stopped; b) they haven't been redesigned yet.

iMac and iMac Pro (w/ dual vega GPU) annoucements were thought to hit during H1 2017, but now its looking more like late 2017

It makes some sense, as Apple has been delayed on everything due to focus on improving the Car & Watch failures. Plus this delay in more new Mac products gives Apple the oppurtunity to milk as much as they can by having only ONE new mac playform availible for puchase. It also encourages people, who look at the higher price tags for the new MBP line up, to start thinking, hmm, maybe i should just get an iPad Pro. Even pros who switch to Win/Linux may be tempted to get an iPad. Plus the sales numbers by new MBP buyers, mostly by those desperate for a new mac at any cost, will boost their future presentations of "how successfull the macbook pro 2016 was".

Expect the same thing next year. No incremental updates for any Mac products. Only a new iMac & iMac Pro Macs around this time next year.

I'm shocked but not surprised, that The Cook, had the guts to say 2016 has had the most exciting lineup in Apple history.
 
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Apple have lost one of their big selling points.. "cool".

If you have one of these new MBPs out on your table in Starbucks next month.. I'm afraid no-one is thinking cool.. they're thinking "mug"..!

Whereas a new Surface book... yeah, moderately cool!
 
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Did they remove the Apple lighting up from the back of the Pros?

Yes. The glowing Apple logo is gone too. It's the same as the one on the Macbook's now. Part of the reason they were able to make these new ones thinner.

I don't care either way about the logo, but did happen to notice during the keynote that it's just like the Macbook one now.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if the reason the iMacs are "delayed" until 2017 is because the Apple people got a sneak peek at the Surface Studio and couldn't present a decent competitor today. Now they have to scramble. That Surface Studio looks awesome.

Not likely, but it would be mind-blowing if that's what happened. I think Microsoft caught everyone by surprise yesterday.
 
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Yes. The glowing Apple logo is gone too. It's the same as the one on the Macbook's now. Part of the reason they were able to make these new ones thinner.

I don't care either way about the logo, but did happen to notice during the keynote that it's just like the Macbook one now.
I used to laugh several years ago when I would see someone in a TV show or movie typing away on a MBP or MB and the Apple logo was not lit up.
 
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