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The Xeon E5-1650 v4 just came out recently, though. The E5-1650 is what they used in the 2013 Pro. They could've upgraded the CPU AND the GPUs in the trashcan, and made a lot of people happy.

True yet the Xeon E7-4820 v4 processors are a major update:

  • This microprocessor supports multi-processing, which allows multiple processors to be installed into multi-socket servers to achieve better overall server performance.
  • More CPU cores on the Intel E7-4820 v4 help to process many simultaneous threads or processes.
  • Power consumption of the E7-4820 v4 is lower.
The E5 is uni-processing only and handles fewer threads with higher power consumption. Comparatively, it makes more sense to use the E7. The E7-8860 v4 has 18 cores and 36 threads.

http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/411/Intel_Xeon_E5-1650_v4_vs_Intel_Xeon_E7-4820_v4.html

http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/processors/xeon/xeon-processor-e7-family.html
 
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Firstly, horrible presentation - like really horrible (especially the DJ - and I do use DJ Pro on the ipad) I felt that particular section was grasping at straws to show touch stuff to non-pro consumers. A logic demo would have been far FAR more satisfying. I have a few ideas of how they might use the touch bar to really improve the workflow.

However I did like the Photoshop integration ALOT and can see the potential in many circumstances where a trackpad and mousing through multiple menu items are cumbersome.

Like I said, I see the potential and once developers start figuring out ways to utilize it creatively. I can imagine it becoming a standard, and not just on Apple devices.

Also why is anyone talking about multiple dongles when a USB-C hub would do the trick and can be had for as little as $10 on amazon ?
 
With the Macbook Pro, for me.. they aim on the creative user.. using Adobe or any other graphic tool. I am sure other will use it for not content making, but i place the Macbook Pro in that spotlight. Not going for Nvidia and not having cuda accelerators available is not taking our branche seriously. Like I mention some post earlier, i jumped over to PC where we creative content makers can choose a configuration that fit our needs, not Apple his wallet.

Same here, I chose PC to custom configure what I want...My gaming PC is slightly newer but runs Win7 Pro without drawbacks.
 
This has been such a negative thread! I can understand a lot of people's disappointment - the keynote left much to be desired but...

• a MBP was the only thing I was interested in (so lack of other announcements doesn't bother me) and I think the new MBP looks pretty good! thinner, lighter, good screen, reasonable GPU, fast SSD. Only 16GB RAM but that's workable.
• touch bar gimmicky perhaps but I think it will be better than most giving it credit for
• lots of ports gone but I prefer a hub anyway rather than lots of different wires into the MBP
• cost here in UK is a little shocking but I'm not paying for it...

My current MBP is a 2008 so it will be a big jump in that respect.
 
I'm working on hackintosh. One that is 3 years old and still outperforms "amazingtouchbarbestmacbookweveeverbuilt" machine presented today. Built for less than 3500$ (including CPU + VRM + GPU + VRAM + RAM watercooling).
Yes, it requires knowledge. About hardware compatibility, EFI, etc.
Is it worth going this path? No. Not any more.
System with constant SMB shares issues, ancient filesystem, no reliable backup (TM is joke, a terribly inefficient one), heavily outdated OpenGL and half-baked Metal that no one uses, retarded mouse acceleration and tons of annoying issues. I loved, absolutely loved Snow Leopard. And it was worth to do hackintoshes back then. But now - don't waste your time, get powerful rig and install Linux (new KDE Plasma rocks!) or windows.

THIS! Thank you for sharing. Having a Hackingtosh is fun, if you like playing with it. I want to turn on my system, do my job, turn it off. That was with Apple much better in the past. Now days, Windows is doing fine. It needs a little bit more managing, but its with W10 much more easy. Time to move on and leave your Hack?

I have spend 2600 on my monster, and it kicks ass! Still need to OC my 6800K to 4ghz which is easy to do.
 
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Any issues with hackintosh?

If you are talking about desktops - not really. I am running here a Skylake based hack with a 3570K on a Gigabyte Z77 motherboard and a Gigabyte GTX 760. So not exactly the newest. I had 10.8, 10.9 and 10.11 running on it. The installation process got better each time since the tools get better. Sierra maybe next year, maybe not.

Audio is an issue, since the specific audio chip on the mobo is not supported (other chips are, mine is a bit exotic). I just didn't bother, so I bought a cheap USB->line-in adapter to drive my HK SoundSticks.

Sleep is not activated on my machine and I don't use iMessage, so the issues related to these two fields I can not comment on.

dGPUs can be an issue. The 10xx row from NVidia is not supported yet. the 9xx models are, but you need a custom driver from NVidia, which means you have to do the system install without the dGPU in. My 7xx model however is supported system-side, so no trouble here.

My main usage (outside of web/email) of the machine is developing with Unity. No complains here. The only reason I started using "hackintoshes" in early 2013 is that Apple ditched the 24" option on the iMacs, and 1440p @ 27" is just not eye-friendly. Right now I am using 1440p @ 32" + 1200x1920, 2x 1920x1200 before that.

In summary, a hackintosh gives you better performance for less money than Apple does - within a certain segment of the market. This segment being a extendable desktop machine with a dedicated GPU and no screen. And Apple is ramping up prices from generation to generation. In 2009, I paid 1700€ for an 24" iMac. Right now I would pay almost 3000€ for 27".

When people say that a hackintosh can not be a reliable work horse I can only laugh. OK, maybe for your specific workflow. But when you call yourself a pro, you should be able to do some bare minimum system management.

With a hack you can just cram hard drives into that tower, m2 SSDs too. Dito blu ray drives. You can put a Geforce Titan into that thing, enjoy the pro app performance and still be cheaper than Apple. So what you can't have a 12 core Xeon CPU? For the money Apple charges for it you can buy two four cores and render on two machines.

Thanks to the dGPU you can actually game on that thing (on OS X I tried Thief, Diablo 3, Elite Dangerous and some others). It's really funny that on Steam you got all those cheap Mac games and Apple let's you enjoy none of them thanks to their misguided combination of iGPUs and Retina displays.
 
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Funny, but the screen on my Precision 5510 doesn't smudge and the hinge doesn't push back. Perhaps that is just an Apple problem?

:D

yeah gonna have to call BS on that. My phone, every tablet and every other phone smudges. If you touch something it gets covered in grease.
 
Same here, I chose PC to custom configure what I want...My gaming PC is slightly newer but runs Win7 Pro without drawbacks.
Lets all face it. Tim's version of Apple has turned their backs on us pro level users. Its sad that we have to return to a primitive OS like windows just to simply do our work. On a brighter note, Windows is making some nice hardware that is turning more and more pro's heads towards their machines. Its a pickle I tell ya!
 
I can state new Mac Pro's, iMac's, and display's have been waiting in the shadows. I posted this explanation yesterday but will trim it down as it's a read.

Granted, but development cycles are getting shorter and shorter and if you keep waiting for 'that big thing' you'll be waiting forever. As it stands the Skylake CPU's released last year are already old in tech terms, we're looking at 12-18 month product cycles now. The 'new' GPU's in the Macbook Pro are already 4 months old in the form of the Polaris mobile chipset. The drivers for these have been present in the 10.12 builds for quite a while. A current Xeon Mac Pro would be great coupled with a single custom Quadro, dual Quadro or 2x GTX pascal based cards. I don't *need* OS X for painting, animation, modelling and rigging work, I can happily run Maya, Krita and other Foundry apps on Linux. My only OS X investment remains with my iTunes, Photos and Mail libaries, which can be served from my current Macbook Pro.

But thank you for re-posting the trimmed down note, worth knowing. What it boils down to *for me* is Apple have long ago abandoned the Pro user (even the average not-so pro user) and is now 95% focussed on the phone and tablet market. Some good things just come to an end, time to move on for me. I'm sure the pendulum will swing the other way again.
 
Everything Apple does leaks months before. So the reason we haven't heard anything about the iMac, Mac Pro, Mac mini is a) the line stopped; b) they haven't been redesigned yet.
Here's a helpful hint.... it's definitely choice "A". THAT is why people are upset with today. Apple will grudgingly make MacBooks.... until they can merge it with IOS and an iPad. Other users with other needs can go (bleep) themselves. That's NOT what Apple used to stand for. Apple used to have a limited line of models, that covered EVERY user from a Mom to Maya3d user. Something for everyone at every level.

Cook needed to refresh ALL computer lines today JUST to convince the public that it still cares about computers and assuage people fears. Actually... i think that today Apple DID refresh it's entire line of computers today. The rest are clearly and obviously dead. This is it. Public NOT convinced. Fears NOT assuaged.

Could somebody please text Forstall's phone number to the Apple Board of Directors??
 
This has been such a negative thread! I can understand a lot of people's disappointment - the keynote left much to be desired but...

• a MBP was the only thing I was interested in (so lack of other announcements doesn't bother me) and I think the new MBP looks pretty good! thinner, lighter, good screen, reasonable GPU, fast SSD. Only 16GB RAM but that's workable.
• touch bar gimmicky perhaps but I think it will be better than most giving it credit for
• lots of ports gone but I prefer a hub anyway rather than lots of different wires into the MBP
• cost here in UK is a little shocking but I'm not paying for it...

My current MBP is a 2008 so it will be a big jump in that respect.

Agreed. Mine is 2010 (owned a 2008 before that, can't imagine dealing with that in 2016) and so it'll be a big jump for me. Excited for the speed and processing boost as well as video boost.
 
He didn't say he doesn't want USB-C. His issue as with mine is that I do not want 4 of them. Two USB-C, a thunderbolt and USB 3 would be perfect.

Actually, I doubt he has anything against even 4 of them just as long as you ALSO have the ports you need to connect anything available today. I can use those USB-C ports in two years when they actually come up with something other than adapters I can connect to them.

Anyway, new crappy keyboard, volume (read: battery) reduced 20%+, adapter hell and >30% price increase. No, I won't be buying one.
 
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What is the difference in performance between the new processor in rmbp 15" and the mid-2015 one ? In percentage or geekbench score :D.
 
OK, now i'm even MORE furious. If this exists, Apple should have built it into their power cable that comes with. Anything less is a giant middle finger. Another example of Apple needlessly cutting corners and screwing their customers. Customers came first for Jobs. Profits come first for Cook.

I wouldn't say that, I think Cook isn't Steve Jobs. He is trying to execute Steve Jobs' Product Strategy, but isn't doing it well. Steve Jobs' strategy was simple, focus on the premium market. There were two sides to this:

1. Offer a very nice looking product; and
2. The product should have the horsepower to match its price.

Basically sell a premium product then collect the premium price.

Tim Cook is selling a premium price but not offering a premium product.

When Steve Jobs was in charge, Apple still made expensive computers. People used to say well Apple computers are over priced, I could buy a Laptop from Compaq for $600 why would I pay $1200 for Macbook (all Canadian prices).

I could easily come back and say, well no Macs aren't actually over priced, if you do a dollar for dollar comparison, if you were to spec out that Compaq Laptop it would be about $1000-1100. The Macbook is $1200. The Apple Tax is only $100 more.

The next question is why would I buy it: well because it is better value than the $600 laptop because it has the specs to last. Even on the Compaq, you seriously should boost the specs otherwise you'll be buying another one next year. If I bought that $600 laptop it would be obsolete in a year or two, while my Macbook lasts me 4/5 years. My 2012 Macbook is headed for year 5.

Apple also did annual updates on the Macbooks at the time, so it kept the line up current and you always had the latest CPU, the latest offerings. If not the latest was around the corner, not 4 years too late.

Today I can't justify it. You are just paying for the Apple Logo. They are selling horribly outdated hardware for $1500. I can't justify it just for a pretty case.

They can easily keep last generation laptops on sale, upgrade the specs, give it specs which justify the price point. Give it a Skylake or Kaby Lake Processor. Upgrade the storage to 240 GB. I'll pay $1500 for that no problem, that's what I paid for my 2012 Macbook Pro.

Instead we got a four year old Macbook Pro, with a four year old CPU, priced much higher than its closest competitors.

Compare the Macbook Pro tot he Dell XPS13. Both machines are beautiful, but Dell has continued to release current generation hardware, its priced about $1200 starting and can be maxed out at $2000.

I cannot justify spending these prices without feeling ripped off. This is true for both the old models and the ones the released today.
 
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Yes. The glowing Apple logo is gone too. It's the same as the one on the Macbook's now. Part of the reason they were able to make these new ones thinner.

I don't care either way about the logo, but did happen to notice during the keynote that it's just like the Macbook one now.

Wow, what a shame. That's a staple. Thinner obsession strikes again
 
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"Pro" has unfortunately; in Apples eyes, come to mean mediocre MOBILE hardware in sexy stylish enclosures that will only satisfy the needs of "pro-sers" (or pro-wannabes). All the while the real pro users are left with their balls in their hands wondering where the hell their Mac Pro updates are. "You can edit on an iPad Pro" No Tim, No you cannot. iMovie is meant for idiots who think they are professional because they bought a MacBook pro or an iPad pro and can capture "4k" videos on their iPhone. That does not make you a pro, that just makes you a wannabe.#endrant #proserssuck.
 
Well that TB port can be replaced with USB-C because you have TB over USB-C. They both use the same port.

So two USB-C is the same as one USB-C and one TB port.

Yes, if you're willing to shell out >$100 more which obviously doesn't mean crap after you've already sold your wife and children to pay for the machine itself. Someone should check the price of the previous top model Pro and compare it to the current one with all the required adapters included. Do you end up paying twice as much for a machine you can actually use with the devices you currently own?
 
If you want to know how stupid the top people are at Apple, this event was a perfect demo.

To demonstrate Apple Pay and Touch ID, one of their top men went online and bought a ridiculous healing pyramid for the same price as an average family's monthly mortgage. You thought Steve Jobs was mad for trying to cure cancer with veggie juice? You thought Apple lost their mind when they promoted Belle Gibson's fake cancer cures?

These people are delusional rich hippies selling skinny hardware at silly prices. They don't care about you 'the working man'. They probably don't even know a working class exists outside their gated homes. They probably have green juice slurping yoga moms running the marketing department.

They are even dumber to think Photoshop users will use that touch bar instead of keyboard shortcuts. Nobody wants to suffer myopia.
 
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