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Live Coverage of Apple's 'Let's Talk iPhone' Event
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It is probably the first time in the last 2 years or so that Apple unveils something that I DO NOT instantly want to buy...
A bit disappointed, although looking at the bright side,it will save me some money..
Getting the feeling that Apple enters into some kind of Intel-like tick-tock cycle with the iPhones: 3G/3GS, 4/4S...so I'll be buying every "tick" cycle-the redesign obviously...
A bit disappointed, although looking at the bright side,it will save me some money..
Getting the feeling that Apple enters into some kind of Intel-like tick-tock cycle with the iPhones: 3G/3GS, 4/4S...so I'll be buying every "tick" cycle-the redesign obviously...
What ???
After all the rumors, and every feature reveiled before hand, you wasn't planiing on upgrading, but now, AFTER the keynote, you will?
Did you really just say that, or am I misunderstanding you?
yah.... same... whats interesting is that they may lose more money because some people may wait untill the next year...
Very disappointed in the new iOS devices. The upgrades are very minimal, especially the iPod touch.
Just got home and checked out some summaries.
Honestly, most disappointing Apple event in recent memory. All this time and we get a faster 4 with some dumb speech function that most people will not use, and the worst, by far, ipod update ever (kill the best model, don't update two other models, and do a worthless update to the nano? - EPIC FAIL).
If I had to get a phone right now, I'd get one of these, but only because there's nothing else out there. I have a 4 with a few months left on the contract and now I won't even bother "up"grading. I'll hang on to my 4 indefinitely until the true next gen iphone comes out.
No surprises, no killer hardware. Might as well have done nothing. At least we'd still have the iPod Classic.
Honestly, most disappointing Apple event in recent memory. All this time and we get a faster 4 with some dumb speech function that most people will not use, and the worst, by far, ipod update ever (kill the best model, don't update two other models, and do a worthless update to the nano? - EPIC FAIL).
If I had to get a phone right now, I'd get one of these, but only because there's nothing else out there. I have a 4 with a few months left on the contract and now I won't even bother "up"grading. I'll hang on to my 4 indefinitely until the true next gen iphone comes out.
No surprises, no killer hardware. Might as well have done nothing. At least we'd still have the iPod Classic.
- The iPhone 4S does not offer the fastest data speeds, even though it is faster. It is litereally the most mild bump possible, as the iPhone 4 is capable of 7.2 Mbps whereas the 4S is capable of 14.4; the next steps up are 21 and 42, which the Galaxy S II supports.
- There isn't a whole lot of information on the particular implementation of the A5 in the 4S, but, as far as specs go, it's unlikely that it will be supeior to the GSII (as far as actual performance goes, we'll have to wait for benchmarks to come in to make conclusions on that). It's very much so a mild bump as it's the smallest upgrade Apple could have done (using the iPad 2's CPU/GPU setup as opposed to something even more powerful).
- There's no published information on its RAM, therefore this conculsion is invalid.
- In the earlier days of the iPod, capacity increases were the primary manifestation of "spec bumps". This isn't some extreme increase in capacity, it's the most mild capacity increase Apple could implement.
- Plenty of other cameraphones have "a freaking f/2.4 lens" Some even have "an even more freaking f/2.2 lens". If the 4S's camera's sensor size is the same as that of the 4, then there are other cameraphones with superior sensors. As far as speeds go, clearly Apple has numbers to back this claim. But sharper? I'll wait for samples from reviews to conclude this. Apple's a bit more limited in this regard since cameraphone technology isn't exacty progressing at a blistering rate (I'm surprised no one's tried to work out a truly portable and actually effective optical zoom system).
Gotta say one more thing. Camera's don't matter to me, at all. I have access to numerous high end SLRs, dedicated point & shoots, HD video cameras (I'm a video producer by profession). So, if I were to want to go out and actually take a good picture, I would never bother with a cell phone.
HOWEVER...
For those who are just looking to post on facebook, and do augmented reality stuff, the upgrades to the 4S is extraordinary. Because of the MP boost? No way, who cares about megapixels when you're posting to the web. BUT... Low light capabilities are a HUGE plus. And those increases are not minor, folks. Hybrid IR, 2.4 f-stop... these are things that you have to pay BIG BUCKS for on higher end SLRs to get. I'd be very surprised if any point and shoot cameras have these capabilities. Sure, they're not sexy names like "mega pixel" that are vomitted out at every opportunity. But when you reach for the camera after sunset, or in a dark room and find you can actually get a decent picture, you're going to quickly find that this stuff is a lot more of a big deal than the yearly MP bump. And if you're doing a lot of facebook and aug reality, like I hear a lot of people talking about (I do neither), these are going to be hot.
Though, I'm also kinda interested in the 1080p video. My $3000 (now $2500) JVC HD cameras only do 1080i. Granted, I would never do any pro shooting on a cell phone without some serious rigging to support it, but those low light capabilities, if they also work for video, would let my iPhone work in situations where the JVCs don't.
HOWEVER...
For those who are just looking to post on facebook, and do augmented reality stuff, the upgrades to the 4S is extraordinary. Because of the MP boost? No way, who cares about megapixels when you're posting to the web. BUT... Low light capabilities are a HUGE plus. And those increases are not minor, folks. Hybrid IR, 2.4 f-stop... these are things that you have to pay BIG BUCKS for on higher end SLRs to get. I'd be very surprised if any point and shoot cameras have these capabilities. Sure, they're not sexy names like "mega pixel" that are vomitted out at every opportunity. But when you reach for the camera after sunset, or in a dark room and find you can actually get a decent picture, you're going to quickly find that this stuff is a lot more of a big deal than the yearly MP bump. And if you're doing a lot of facebook and aug reality, like I hear a lot of people talking about (I do neither), these are going to be hot.
Though, I'm also kinda interested in the 1080p video. My $3000 (now $2500) JVC HD cameras only do 1080i. Granted, I would never do any pro shooting on a cell phone without some serious rigging to support it, but those low light capabilities, if they also work for video, would let my iPhone work in situations where the JVCs don't.
They're talking about the misconception that people have in thinking more mps = better image, which isn't the case.
Generally, you want a larger sensor; having a larger sensor will give you better images, even if it's at a lower pixel density. Kind of like the 2011 MBP screen being better than the 2011 MBA screen, even though the 13 inch has a higher pixel density.
Anyway, Apple puts great cameras in their phones; HDR really took off with the iPHone 4, and this one will be even better; if you watched the keynote, you'd see the bit about allowing more light into the sensor, which is what you WANT in the sensor, not just higher pixel density.
I thought it was obvious from the context of my post, and the one to which I was responding to, I was discussing the upgrade of 4 to 4S.
And even though that renders the bulk of your response moot, I will concede I didn't know there were f/2.2 smartphones out there. I've got friends with various android versions and have always felt their photo quality, irrespective of pixel depth of the sensor or widest aperture of the lens, was inferior to that of even a 3GS, but I've not tested this empirically... ..and I think the problem implementing optical zooms directly stems from physics- to zoom (non-digitally) requires focal length to increase, hence the issue...
I do not like Android. At all. It's too sloppy. Please don't tell me how cool it is - it ain't for me. I'm more likely to get a Windows phone. I think the OS is better and I think their app store will soon be better than Android since they'll sorta keep the crap out. But, I'll probably stick with an iPhone, just won't be updating this time around.
* On the plus side, Cook is a pretty good speaker. Nice job on his part.
It's good that you understand
A major part is keeping up with the competition along with the fact that we have to have 2 year contracts. By doing this, next year they can fully cater to the people who bought the iPhone 4.
Very well said.
My only worry is how good the antenna is now. If there is no problem now, I will be getting the 4S.
Realistically, being an owner also of iPad2, there is absolutely nothing in iPhone 4S that will make me want it-faster processor,better graphics etc.-I have it all in the iPad. Playing games (Infinity blade for instance) on the iPhone is something that I very,very (if ever) rarely do,Siri-I do not really care...so, thanks Apple for the "good" news and see you next year...
Anyone who thinks Siri is a gimmick or irrelevant...
...only needs to watch the demo on the front page of MacRumors.
or go here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4D4kRbEdJw&feature=player_embedded
and you'll see you are:
Epic Wrong... ;-)
...only needs to watch the demo on the front page of MacRumors.
or go here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4D4kRbEdJw&feature=player_embedded
and you'll see you are:
Epic Wrong... ;-)
Oh, so you have tried the SGS2, and it's too sloppy for you?
I won't tell you how cool it is, cause I have never had an Android phone.
I was just throwing out other options, but had I known that your opinion is the only one that matters, I would have simply just kept to myself.
Of course my opinion is the only one that matters. It's my phone. I just don't dig android. One specific phone isn't gonna change that no matter what.
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Yeah, I just noticed. Wonder why they didn't mention it. Shuffle got a mention. Maybe they just want to keep their options open to shelve it if necessary.
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Originally Posted by Eager Beaver
Oh, so you have tried the SGS2, and it's too sloppy for you?
I won't tell you how cool it is, cause I have never had an Android phone.
I was just throwing out other options, but had I known that your opinion is the only one that matters, I would have simply just kept to myself.
Wow, holy close-minded Batman!
I have had, (and loved) iphones for 3 years now, but my mind isn't closed, I'm NOT an apple fanboy -
Originally Posted by Eager Beaver
Oh, so you have tried the SGS2, and it's too sloppy for you?
I won't tell you how cool it is, cause I have never had an Android phone.
I was just throwing out other options, but had I known that your opinion is the only one that matters, I would have simply just kept to myself.
Wow, holy close-minded Batman!
I have had, (and loved) iphones for 3 years now, but my mind isn't closed, I'm NOT an apple fanboy -
Because I don't like android I'm an apple fanboy? Maybe I just don't like android.
You should probably shop for 32GB Micro SDHC cards with decent speed, pretty close to the same price. And, of course, there are no 64GB Micros, yet.