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Ok, Apple is a business, an extremely successful one at that, and hasn't got there by giving away loads of free stuff. Ultimately it can't give a free replacement, repair etc. to every customer who comes in and has a little moan. Also, I'd imagine a number of those customers product's have probably failed because of abuse/mistreatment. It has to look after the cents (penny's for us UK guys :)) for the dollars (pounds) to roll in. It has to be a bit ruthless and sadly that means not everyone is a winner and will feel happy about this. Yes, ok, in this instance, technically Apple are within their rights to say no sorry we can't help you.

While I agree with most of what you've written I have an issue with the way you've worded this. You make it sound as if this is a bad thing. If Apple wanted to provide four years of support for their products then they would offer a warranty of such duration. They've got the draw the line somewhere. They've decided that line is three years. This isn't a technicality. It's well known at the time of purchase. One should not be buying something on the expectation the seller will go above and beyond what they've committed to. In a way Apple having done so for many customers may be part of the problem. By doing so they've helped in setting this expectation.
 
reco2011

you don't have to expect more from a premium company, but many do - that's one of the reasons why we pay a premium price.

you're also misunderstanding the issue here. i'm not complaining about a problem that is expected to happen, i'm talking about a logic board that is failing on a massive level. it is failing to the point that people are starting a class action lawsuit against apple over it.

on a side note: my mom's kitchenaid mixer broke after more than a decade, and they sent her a new one. my north face bag had a ripped zipper, and they replaced it after 5 years. my arcteryx jacket ripped after i stabbed it with a sharp piece of metal, and they sent me a new one.

in none of those instances did i ask for new items (nor did my mother). we simply asked for a repair quote. however, these are premium companies, and they offer premium support.

i am in NO WAY saying that this is the standard, and i am in NO WAY saying that this is what anyone should expect from a computer company. i am simply stating that premium companies often times do offer premium support.

in this case, there is a defect on a $2,500 piece of equipment, so i'd expect a premium company to handle it properly.
 
I don't mean for it sound like a bad thing, just merely stating that Apple are within their rights to say no and that there is nothing actually obliging them to help the OP. Fully agree, they need to draw the line somewhere, as I said, there's no way they can say yes to everyone and sadly that means not everyone will be happy.

But obviously as the rest of my comment goes, bigger picture etc.
 
in this case, there is a defect on a $2,500 piece of equipment, so i'd expect a premium company to handle it properly.

I know how you feel, my 17" MBP died 3 weeks ago, of the same problem. AppleCare ran out 2 months before and I was reading a lot of problems for people with the same machines. Some got it fixed for free, some didn't. I'm in a country where we only have a Premium Reseller. My first machine from them was a 6100 and have owned and used multitudes of machines in between. (My first Apple Product was an Apple ][)

The Reseller sells Apple products in volume now, from their little startup small half shop to now a multi story main Apple shop with a second branch. I have had logic boards failed after the warranty have expired and had some successfully repaired (not by reseller, as the reseller is just a money making machine) My 17" will soon be on the way to the UK to get a new GPU and a reball from BGA Repairs, as I love my 17". I am thankful most of the machines have lasted more years than it should have in service, my 6100 still boots.... So does my Wallstreet and many others of my machines.

I feel Apple should have recalled the Radeongate machines but I guess, over the years, the average cost I have from Apple products have evened out. Just got myself a new Mac Mini and was surprised how the Intel Iris handled DragonAge II and how zippy it was on LR and Photoshop. Tomorrow I'm going to pick up a 15" rMBP while waiting for my 17" to come home.

I used to be angry at my reseller and at Apple and sometimes I still feel anger that having spent so much and having been such a loyal customer, I have products that should not have failed, failed on me. Apple have spoilt me in terms of ease of use, I recovered everything from my failed 17" via Time Machine, but removing the HDD and booting it from my iMac still gave access to the 17" "life".

After reading this thread, I think I will drop Tim Cook an email, maybe he'll reply, Apple products have given me beauty and simplicity.

Oh...I look after a few thousand Dell and Lenovo machines for my "day job"... And the failure rate is incredible.

Have a fantastic Holiday, Merry Christmas and Have a Great New Year!
 
I'm in this same situation with this failure. I appreciate the option to repair my 3.5 year old late 2011 15" for $310, if it is truly repaired. My concern is all the posts suggesting that it will continue to fail. Mine now failed again after 3 weeks and it's now back at Apple (covered by 90 day repair warranty).

I had a 17" that had hinge issues after 5 years and I found lots of posts blasting Apple for that too.
 
reco2011

you don't have to expect more from a premium company, but many do - that's one of the reasons why we pay a premium price.

You can argue premium company / premium product all day long. The fact is Apple did not set this expectation...YOU have. You consider them a premium company selling a premium product and therefore expect them to behave the way YOU expect a premium company to behave. You're mad at them based on an expectation YOU have created.

If you dislike the fact you paid a premium price for a premium product (I happen to feel Apple products aren't nearly the premium products many of its customers believe them to be) which is sub-par then, as you have stated, you're free to take your business elsewhere. But that's a completely different reason...you're doing so because you're mad that the product failed (something you specifically excluded in an earlier post).

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We do, but it ran out just before it broke.
Would you feel better if you had not purchased Apple Care and it failed 26 months after the standard warranty ran out?
 
You can argue premium company / premium product all day long. The fact is Apple did not set this expectation...YOU have. You consider them a premium company selling a premium product and therefore expect them to behave the way YOU expect a premium company to behave. You're mad at them based on an expectation YOU have created.

If you dislike the fact you paid a premium price for a premium product (I happen to feel Apple products aren't nearly the premium products many of its customers believe them to be) which is sub-par then, as you have stated, you're free to take your business elsewhere. But that's a completely different reason...you're doing so because you're mad that the product failed (something you specifically excluded in an earlier post).

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Would you feel better if you had not purchased Apple Care and it failed 26 months after the standard warranty ran out?

Why do you feel the need to keep arguing with me? I keep telling you i'm not trying to convince you otherwise. It's apparent that you think consumers just need to bow down to whatever a firm decides is acceptable.

I'm amazed at how much you care about this. Either way, I'm done responding to you. You can call me a brat again, and i promise I won't argue with you. Best of luck to you in life.
 
@reco2011 and praesto

i really am sorry that this is so upsetting to you,

You are not in the least upsetting me, rather I believe you are the one that is upset. You are clearly heated from your single bad experience out of the 10+ products you purchased from Apple. Almost everyone in this thread has given you the same response - You have no reason to be even the least bit upset with Apple.

but the easiest way to deal with it is to simply not read my post. are you worried that i'm going to spoil the name of apple and that will somehow have a physical impact on you? you are both acting like i'm abusing your child.

How would Apple's brand image affect me physically? This makes no logical sense. Apple's brand is currently under massive scrutiny from the multiple problems they have experienced. iOS 8 issues, "Bendgate", U2 Album, and the list goes on...

if you don't like what i'm writing you don't have to read it. i don't mind if you do, and i don't mind if you don't agree with me, but i'm trying to do the two of you a favor and remind you that you can avoid your anger by simply not reading the post.

The fact that you think either of us are angry is a psychological reaction called projection. You are angry that Apple is not providing a free, goodwill service and project your anger onto other people.

You may want to consider a psychiatrist, if you spent $20,000 in Apple products you should be able to afford it.


I will continue to monitor this thread incase I feel that I need to report you to the depression prevention hotline. :cool:
 
Why do you feel the need to keep arguing with me? I keep telling you i'm not trying to convince you otherwise. It's apparent that you think consumers just need to bow down to whatever a firm decides is acceptable.

I think people shouldn't get upset at someone else for expectations they themselves set. You're mad at someone else because they're not living up to expectations you have created.

I used to do this in my personal relationships. When people wouldn't respond the way I expected them to, I would get mad at them, and the relationship would inevitably end. Once I figured out I was holding them to an expectation I created, and not one they created, my relationships improved significantly. You're doing the same thing with Apple. They're not living up to YOUR expectations so you've decided to end your relationship with them.

The problem is with expectations you've set for Apple. My recommendation is to lower your expectations of them and then you won't be disappointed.
 
You are not in the least upsetting me, rather I believe you are the one that is upset. You are clearly heated from your single bad experience out of the 10+ products you purchased from Apple. Almost everyone in this thread has given you the same response - You have no reason to be even the least bit upset with Apple.



How would Apple's brand image affect me physically? This makes no logical sense. Apple's brand is currently under massive scrutiny from the multiple problems they have experienced. iOS 8 issues, "Bendgate", U2 Album, and the list goes on...



The fact that you think either of us are angry is a psychological reaction called projection. You are angry that Apple is not providing a free, goodwill service and project your anger onto other people.

You may want to consider a psychiatrist, if you spent $20,000 in Apple products you should be able to afford it.


I will continue to monitor this thread incase I feel that I need to report you to the depression prevention hotline. :cool:


it's comments like "you need a psychiatrist" that instantly invalidate anything that you have to say.

to be clear, it is not one single experience over the course of 10 years. it has been a number of increasingly frustrating issues with apple over the years that has led to this decision. i've had iPads die after nearly no time at all, i've had tons of software problems with OSX and apple-made software (including Logic Pro and Aperture), which caused me to abandon them a long time ago. don't even get me started on yosemite and the weekly iOS upgrades.

i'm not sure what you do with your computer. you might just use it to check your email and troll on forums, but i used my computers for undergraduate and graduate school, and now i use them in my personal business - and they have been getting gradually worse over the last 10 years as apple has shifted it's target audience from creative professionals to hipsters with too much money (i'm not sure which category you fall under, but i can guess).

within one week i had an iPhone 5+ break, a hard drive in my iMac fail, and a logic board die in a Macbook Pro. the iPhone broke because Apple had a faulty battery (rushing out products before they have been fully tested), and they broke the digitizer connector when they replaced it. i guess you have all the time in the world, but i had to make 3 trips to the apple store and go a week without a phone.

my iMac had a faulty hard drive that apple did recall - however, they never informed me and they no longer are honoring the fact that they sold me faulty equipment. however, according to your logic, that is somehow my fault for not doing a daily apple recall check on all my products.

finally, my laptop had an issue that is not a normal wear and tear issue. somehow i really don't think you understand that. this has been written about extensively by major tech sites, and they all agree that this needs to be taken care of by apple. over 30,000 people have the exact same issue with the exact same model computer. by this point, you're too stubborn to change your opinion, but those numbers mean that apple sold a defective product.

according to you, i should ignore the decrease in quality. i should ignore the increasing recalls. i should ignore the repair costs. i should ignore the software issues. according to you i should just shut my mouth and do my best to keep the perfect image of apple that you've formed.

either way, many people on here have agreed that this is unacceptable. many of us have to work, and computers are enormous purchases because we aren't made of money. i won't argue if you think spending $2,000 on a desktop, $2,500 on a laptop, and another $500 for a phone and tablet every 2-3 years is acceptable, but i certainly won't agree with you either. in fact, you'd have to have zero concept of money and value to think that is acceptable. my old apple products were doing great 5 years after i bought them, but those days are long gone, and i am too.

i'm sorry that i hurt your feelings by saying that i'm leaving apple, but that's just how it is. and like your buddy, troll away on this post, and i promise i won't comment.
 
@ keithjfuller

I really feel for you and I agree that this graphics issue was well documented and evident in the first couple of years, long before your 3 year applecare warranty expired.

Replacing faulty logic boards with identically made(refurbs) logic boards isn't the solution. The replacement boards are all now a ticking time bomb and a professional third party reball of the graphics chip seems to be better solution at this point. Perhaps this may be an option for you?

I would agree with others here in sending Tim Cook a well written email or letter outlining your specific situation. Nothing lost in doing so and hopefully by chance someone from his department may contact you seeing that you have invested so much money in their product.

This makes better productive use of your time rather than having to explain yourself to people here who do not have the same issue. I wish you well.
 
@ keithjfuller

I really feel for you and I agree that this graphics issue was well documented and evident in the first couple of years, long before your 3 year applecare warranty expired.

Replacing faulty logic boards with identically made(refurbs) logic boards isn't the solution. The replacement boards are all now a ticking time bomb and a professional third party reball of the graphics chip seems to be better solution at this point. Perhaps this may be an option for you?

I would agree with others here in sending Tim Cook a well written email or letter outlining your specific situation. Nothing lost in doing so and hopefully by chance someone from his department may contact you seeing that you have invested so much money in their product.

This makes better productive use of your time rather than having to explain yourself to people here who do not have the same issue. I wish you well.

i wasn't aware that there was an option other than the same logic board. i took the laptop apart and it's ready to be swapped out, but i don't want to buy the same faulty one. where can i get a suitable replacement? thanks.
 
i wasn't aware that there was an option other than the same logic board. i took the laptop apart and it's ready to be swapped out, but i don't want to buy the same faulty one. where can i get a suitable replacement? thanks.

I can't suggest a professional third party reballer but if you have a look at the apple discussion forums here,you will find some recommendations on how to find one or someone who may be able to direct you. Also google may give some solutions for reballers in your location. I think the reballing method may be cheaper option than paying Apple for a refurb board to resurrect an otherwise good machine. :)
 
according to you, i should ignore the decrease in quality. i should ignore the increasing recalls. i should ignore the repair costs. i should ignore the software issues. according to you i should just shut my mouth and do my best to keep the perfect image of apple that you've formed.

While your response was not directed specifically to me I do feel it's somewhat applicable to me so I will respond.

I do not fault you for being disappointed in their decreasing quality. I do not fault you for deciding to be done with them for said decrease in quality. After all that's the way you should respond. Their products are no longer meeting your expectations and moving to an alternative makes complete sense.

But this is an issue with their product quality, something you specifically excluded in an earlier post. The reason you gave for leaving Apple was not a problem with their quality but rather their unwillingness to meet some expectation you created (i.e. a goodwill repair).


i'm sorry that i hurt your feelings by saying that i'm leaving apple, but that's just how it is. and like your buddy, troll away on this post, and i promise i won't comment.

Please stop with the snide remarks. You asked me why I care about this. To that I say: Why did you post? I assume you wanted input. We're providing our input. If you didn't want our opinions then you shouldn't have posted. Or do you only want opinions that agree with you?
 
I can't suggest a professional third party reballer but if you have a look at the apple discussion forums here,you will find some recommendations on how to find one or someone who may be able to direct you. Also google may give some solutions for reballers in your location. I think the reballing method may be cheaper option than paying Apple for a refurb board to resurrect an otherwise good machine. :)

thanks - i wasn't aware of this type of service, but i will look into it. like you said, this is a known issue that is being dealt with by reusing faulty hardware.
 
If only the alternatives were more appealing...

I'm flexible with phones and tablets, but on the PC side I don't see myself leaving the Mac platform anytime soon.
The various Pros and Airs spread throughout the family have been surprisingly durable, despite heavy abuse in some cases. The only real failure so far was the 8600M GT in a 17'' MBP (free repair). My 6750M equipped 15'' MBP seems to be holding up well so far.

I have to say that my experience with the 8600M GT repair was better than what is reported here. Genius ran the diagnostics and concluded that it was a dead logic board, without mentioning the GPU. Mumbled a bit about $700 + labour for the repair, but then rather quickly offered a flat rate repair for $300 with a guarantee that they would return the machine in working condition, no matter what exactly was wrong with it.
When I went to pick it up a few days later, they had determined that the GPU was at fault, and the repair was free. No AppleCare, failure occurred after 38 months or so.
Apple should have a similar replacement program for the Radeons. I hope the lawsuit helps!

Just recently I paid over $700 to have a watch serviced (was a gift from my dad, 7y old). Premium products usually imply expensive repairs once the warranty ends.
 
This is not the first time so Apple has tried to dodge a defect in their cheaply made hardware. They need to own up and do the right thing but they won't because apple hates you but loves your money. Stockholders first, customers second. Just the way you apple apologists like it.
 
HOLY CRAP!!!!

RKO - thank you so much.

i was reading up on reballing, and it brought up tons of issues on this model macbook and how it wasn't soldered properly, and how sometimes a reflow works.

so, i wrapped it up in a blanket and turned it on for 30 minutes and let it get really hot. then i restarted it, reset the pram, and BOOM!!! It's working!!!

the thing hasn't turned on in a month, and it's right back to normal.

i know this is only a temporary fix, but i am beyond ecstatic. this only confirms my anger with apple, but right now i'm too happy to care.

thank you RKO!!!
 
HOLY CRAP!!!!

RKO - thank you so much.

i was reading up on reballing, and it brought up tons of issues on this model macbook and how it wasn't soldered properly, and how sometimes a reflow works.

so, i wrapped it up in a blanket and turned it on for 30 minutes and let it get really hot. then i restarted it, reset the pram, and BOOM!!! It's working!!!

the thing hasn't turned on in a month, and it's right back to normal.

i know this is only a temporary fix, but i am beyond ecstatic. this only confirms my anger with apple, but right now i'm too happy to care.

thank you RKO!!!

No worries. Now backup that drive and find a professional reballer as that will be the only cost effective long term solution. The AMD chip needs to be removed, reballed with solder and set back into place by a professional. As you already know reflow is only temporary, whether you do it yourself or it is done by someone else. :)
 
@keithjfuller

I am using this guy for a reball and new GPU

http://www.ebay.co.uk/usr/bga_repairs?_trksid=p2047675.l2559

@WeetaBiXie
Well worth going with the reball seeing that you own the now rare and discontinued 17" mbp. Forking out money for a replacement refurb board that hasn't had the graphics chip reballed is time and money down the drain. Finding a professional reballer could work out a much cheaper long term solution. :cool:

@Everyone
We can argue all day here on MacRumors about what we think Apple should or shouldn't do but seeing that there is already a current class action pending, don't expect any public responses now or in the immediate future. ;)
 
@WeetaBiXie
Well worth going with the reball seeing that you own the now rare and discontinued 17" mbp. Forking out money for a replacement refurb board that hasn't had the graphics chip reballed is time and money down the drain. Finding a professional reballer could work out a much cheaper long term solution. :cool:

The 17" has served me well and it's like giving an old friend a new lease of life.
 
We do, but it ran out just before it broke.

Sorry to hear. I was a big PC user up until a few years back. PC laptop (especially HP) had horrible lifespans. I would buy the logic board from iFixit or similar place and have it installed at a local Apple repair place. I know it pricey but still a lot cheaper than a new Mac.
 
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