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Thats the silliest thing I've heard. There are plenty of Pro apps for very cheap out there. Take a look at ZBrush, its only $700 and is definitely a pro app (with FREE upgrades!). Its not in the $200 range but for what it does it could definitely cost much more.

Topogun is another app that is cheap, only $99 but unless someone works in a 3D animation studio they probably never heard of it.

Price does not equal professionalism by any means. If it did then none of us would have "pro" operating systems. Both Mac, Windows (certain versions) and Linux are all under $200.

I agree 100%. OS X Lion is as pro as you get with computer operating systems. And it's less then $50. I totally agree that people think Pro has to be expensive. That is so not the case. Pro can not cost the Earth.

The trick is to educate the public that price does not equal Pro. There's a lot of expensive crap out there and a lot of cheap Pro stuff.

So just be thankful you are not paying Logic studio prices for Logic Pro 9. Today you get a Pro App for much less cost.

One cheap (trying it's hardest to be Pro) App I really like is Pixelmator. Only $31.99 on the Australian Mac App Store. And it's worth every cent paid. Just more proof Pro Apps don't have to cost the Earth to own.
 
Logic Pro is still a pro app because Randy Ubillos didn't rewrite it from the ground up and make it Logic Pro X, which true professionals would call Garage Band Pro.
 
One cheap (trying it's hardest to be Pro) App I really like is Pixelmator. Only $31.99 on the Australian Mac App Store. And it's worth every cent paid. Just more proof Pro Apps don't have to cost the Earth to own.

+1

Pixelmator is rad, and a no brainer for the price unless you can afford photoshop..actually, depending upon what you do, you really dont need photoshop.

I completely respect this type of price modeling..Keeping with the logic theme- U-he pluggins Ace synth... the same power from other companies a while back cost loads
 
2,000 years ago, Peter caught 153 fishes by casting a net. Today a guy got more or less 150 people by making a joke.

BTW, I hope, as a customer, other software industries could learn from Apple. Logic with the wide array of sound library is just $199; however, Sibelius 7 and Finale 2012 are $599 each.

That they are just a score engraving software, similar to a word processor not a high technology cutting-edge software, yet cost approximately $600 makes me sad.
 
This is reaching new levels of absurdity.

The optional downloads for Logic 9 are- get this- 19GB.

NINETEEN GIGABYTES.

There was a really cool reason why Logic was distributed on 7 DVDs before. This would be that reason.

Does anyone else find this digital distribution to essentially be the epitome of "laziness" on Apple's end? By pushing their stuff out through the Mac App Store, they effectively force the end user to burn their own backups of the software they've paid for (because no sane mind would ever download 19GB of stuff then say "Hey, my disk drive will never crash on me!"). Oh, wait, your new MBA or Mini doesn't have an optical drive. You can either buy one or dump everything to a USB flash drive instead and pray that the flash drive doesn't go bad when you really need the software installation on it.

Nothing replaces the reliability of a good set of disks sitting on a shelf somewhere. Apple's discontinuing of everything they sell boxed software wise is just pure laziness on their half. It's not hip, it's not cool, and it's not futuristic.

-SC

Quoted for truth. Nail on the head and an epic thumbs up.

I approve of the above, in other words. DVDs/CDs/BDs may be "cumbersome" but they can't be beat as a backup.

I've still got 20 year old CD-ROMs lying around: that's good backup! :cool:
 
Usually when a "Pro" app from Apple is in the $200 range, it's clearly intended for amateurs. They need to drop the word "Pro" now.

I GUARANTEE you couldn't use the FULL potential of ANY DAW so chill and learn how to use the full potential of any software instead of fly off LOOPS!
 
I imagine anyone serious enough to purchase Logic is going to be serious enough to have a backup system in place. The bar is pretty low nowadays with Time Machine and cheap hard drives.

I am (as I write this) backing up a failing hard drive in an iMac. This is the second HD that fails in this iMac in a 12 month period.

Now that everything is kept on a single HD until the replacement drive arrives (actually until the iMac returns from the shop, because I can't replace the damn thing - but wow that iMac is thin!! :rolleyes: ) and I'm already rather nervous...

Hard drives crash very frequently (12-36 month lifespan) and I don't care how "cheap" they are, it starts to add up. Having things on optical media actually *saves* a lot of money in the long run and its lifetime is measured in years, not months.

Backing up to a HD is convenient (if it's cheap is debatable) but it isn't very secure. Having software on optical, music on optical one already has a sizable chunk backed up - the most essential file stuff on Dropbox and the rest (photos/movies) on a BD. So the only backup one would do is a BD backup every once in a while.

Considering how unreliable HDs are these days, I can't recommend enough backing up regularly. Just don't count on HDs for backups. You'll regret that one rainy day. I've been there, done that. Lost two hard drives in one day, just because. No reason, both pristinely kept.

Apple can keep it's MacApp Store, I value my bandwidth and appreciate high-quality backups that are automagically included with every physical purchase. :p
 
Hard drives crash very frequently (12-36 month lifespan) and I don't care how "cheap" they are, it starts to add up. Having things on optical media actually *saves* a lot of money in the long run and its lifetime is measured in years, not months.
This is in no way normal. While all hard drives will crash eventually (in the same way that all people will die) they normally should not crash within a few years. I've been a computer user for 35 years and have had machines with harddrives for about 20. We're talking something like 20-25 HD's. Some in RAID-configurations, some external etc. Off all these harddrives not one has actually died rather than been replaced due to larger storage needs. I've had one LaCie external die due to a bad controller but the drive itself was still working when removed from the housing.

Also: Optical media also dies and a I believe Apple and their App Store are likely to outlive all our existing harddrives and optical media. As long as you can download previous purchases again and again it is a bit difficult to understand why most people would need to backup their application software at all.
 
That is a seriously competitive price when you compare it to Cubase, Pro Tools, Live and all the rest.

I too was going to moan about the size of the download, then I remembered how large some of the games are on my PCs Steam library. It will be a pain for those who have a poor internet connection.

It does seem as though WaveBurner has gone the way of SoundTrack Pro, which is a shame, as WaveBurner was a really good piece of software when it worked correctly (unlike STP, which was awful yet nearly great at the same time).

Stil there is DSP_Quattro for those that need a WaveBurner like piece of software, and with Adobe Audition being released on the mac STP was totally overshadowed as a wave editor.

Still curious as to what will become of Logic, as it's already been through the difficult 64 bit transition, and managed to keep nearly all of it's feature set, unlike some other apple software I could name.
 
I am (as I write this) backing up a failing hard drive in an iMac. This is the second HD that fails in this iMac in a 12 month period.

Now that everything is kept on a single HD until the replacement drive arrives (actually until the iMac returns from the shop, because I can't replace the damn thing - but wow that iMac is thin!! :rolleyes: ) and I'm already rather nervous...

Hard drives crash very frequently (12-36 month lifespan) and I don't care how "cheap" they are, it starts to add up. Having things on optical media actually *saves* a lot of money in the long run and its lifetime is measured in years, not months.

Backing up to a HD is convenient (if it's cheap is debatable) but it isn't very secure. Having software on optical, music on optical one already has a sizable chunk backed up - the most essential file stuff on Dropbox and the rest (photos/movies) on a BD. So the only backup one would do is a BD backup every once in a while.

Considering how unreliable HDs are these days, I can't recommend enough backing up regularly. Just don't count on HDs for backups. You'll regret that one rainy day. I've been there, done that. Lost two hard drives in one day, just because. No reason, both pristinely kept.

Apple can keep it's MacApp Store, I value my bandwidth and appreciate high-quality backups that are automagically included with every physical purchase. :p

I can't help but call b.s. on your posts, sorry if i'm wrong. I get the feeling I'm not though ;)
I'd say the giveaways for b.s. are your pointless jabs/references to the iMac you "can't replace the damn thing - but wow that iMac is thin!! :rolleyes:" and the supposed "lost 2 hard drives in the same day, both pristinely kept".

First, if you view your iMac as an awful computer that only has appeal in aesthetics, why would you buy an iMac over one of the many, many other computer choices available to you for less money?

Second, if you truly had 2 pristinely kept hard drives that both died in the same day, in separate computers, I'd be willing to bet everything I own you likely have an electrical issue in your house or workspace. If you lost 2 hard drives in the same day in 1 computer, then it would seem even more obvious that you have either faulty hardware in that computer or a household electrical issue.
If neither of these are the case, you have pretty awful luck my friend. Consider a visit to the witch doctor. :cool:

Assuming I'm wrong, and you have truly lost a lots of hdd's to be able to claim they're horribly unreliable, I would just ask this. What on earth are you doing to all these hard drives that are supposedly failing for you? Do you pick up your computers and just throw them around the room for fun every now and again? I ask because if you have 1 iMac that has had 2 hard drive failures in a year, it's probably faulty hardware in that computer, or faulty electrical wiring in your room, not faulty drives IMHO.

Out of the dozens of Macs and PCs I've dealt with amongst work,family and friends, I've seen maybe 4 or 5 genuinely dead HDD's in the past few years. That includes internal and external drives, and most people treat their computers like crap, particularly their laptops. I know HDD's are fragile, but seriously?

Anyhow, I used to think optical was wonderful too, until you misplace the discs, they get scratched, they can't be read properly by your particular model/firmware version disc drive even though the disc is fine, you lose your serial number for the install, or the biggest pain, your software's license only allows you to install on 1-2 computers max, so when you upgrade to a new computer you're out of installs meaning either you're totally out of luck or you have to contact the company and plead for a new authorization which you may/may not get for a few days. Been there, done that, F___ that.

So far, when it comes to backups, no form of backup has saved me more often than dropbox. I for one whole heartedly welcome lower cost, less restrictive, re-downloadable software stored on servers way more reliable than my apartment.
 
I am (as I write this) backing up a failing hard drive in an iMac. This is the second HD that fails in this iMac in a 12 month period.

Now that everything is kept on a single HD until the replacement drive arrives (actually until the iMac returns from the shop, because I can't replace the damn thing - but wow that iMac is thin!! :rolleyes: ) and I'm already rather nervous...

Hard drives crash very frequently (12-36 month lifespan) and I don't care how "cheap" they are, it starts to add up. Having things on optical media actually *saves* a lot of money in the long run and its lifetime is measured in years, not months.

Backing up to a HD is convenient (if it's cheap is debatable) but it isn't very secure. Having software on optical, music on optical one already has a sizable chunk backed up - the most essential file stuff on Dropbox and the rest (photos/movies) on a BD. So the only backup one would do is a BD backup every once in a while.

Considering how unreliable HDs are these days, I can't recommend enough backing up regularly. Just don't count on HDs for backups. You'll regret that one rainy day. I've been there, done that. Lost two hard drives in one day, just because. No reason, both pristinely kept.

Apple can keep it's MacApp Store, I value my bandwidth and appreciate high-quality backups that are automagically included with every physical purchase. :p

I really disagree with your post. Of all the several computers I've owned in my lifetime (over 10 at least), I have only had one hard drive fail on me, and that was on a Dell.

I also have had Time Machine backups that has never failed me since it was first released.

You sir, just have a string of bad luck, and that is unfortunate.
 
For anyone who wants to know what can be downloaded as additional content is, here it is:

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For anyone who wants to know what can be downloaded as additional content is, here it is:

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Hmm... 19Gb is a bit of a joke to Download.

1mb - 41h13m
10mb - 04h13m
50MB - 0h49m
100mb - 0h25m
I think you could double that under real life use too.

oh and just for kicks
56K - 753h58M

I think apple needs to seriously look at software on a usb stick sold at the stores

I know you can get Lion on a stick now... seems pretty obvious to me. Sticks are the backup short term future. Tiny. Cheap. Zero Packaging - just hang it on a chain.
 
Ok Apple, now make your own Photoshop and illustrator so I can kiss Adobe goodbuy

Meh, I'd sooner Apple buy out Adobe then sell each application for $49.95 or the whole the entire suite (Creative Suite Master Edition) for US$399 - that alone would give Quark a brain hemorrhage knowing they could no longer rape what little customers remain using their garbage.
 
Maybe...

Means no Logic Pro X for a long time now... :(

Two possibilities comes to my mind:

1) Logic X is near. They stopped producing boxed version a couple of months before update and put it on the App Store for the meantime. They will also add upgrade system into App Store so Logic 9 owners won't have to pay the full price...

2) Logic X is not near. Why did they use time and energy to put Logic 9 to App Store if it will be updated shortly?

Who knows, I don't...;)
 
Two possibilities comes to my mind:

1) Logic X is near. They stopped producing boxed version a couple of months before update and put it on the App Store for the meantime. They will also add upgrade system into App Store so Logic 9 owners won't have to pay the full price...

2) Logic X is not near. Why did they use time and energy to put Logic 9 to App Store if it will be updated shortly?

Who knows, I don't...;)

IIRC Isn't Logic already a 64bit application? maybe they'll release Logic X when they provide an updated version of Final Cut Pro X to address more of the complaints levelled against it.
 
I, for one, couldn't be happier with the whole extra download! You don't have to download the whole 19GB at once! You can download what you need.

Much better than 6 DVDs lying around waiting to either get broken, scratched or rotten.
 
So I just wasted $200 buying Logic Express. That's just great.

Me too. I bought Express on the 30th of Novenmber... not even 2 weeks ago. :(

Does anyone know if there's any recourse for people in my situation?
 
Hmm... 19Gb is a bit of a joke to Download.

1mb - 41h13m
10mb - 04h13m
50MB - 0h49m
100mb - 0h25m
I think you could double that under real life use too.

oh and just for kicks
56K - 753h58M

I think apple needs to seriously look at software on a usb stick sold at the stores

I know you can get Lion on a stick now... seems pretty obvious to me. Sticks are the backup short term future. Tiny. Cheap. Zero Packaging - just hang it on a chain.

Blame it on your internet provider not Apple.
 
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