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Logic Pro X Gets Refresh for Upcoming Mac Pro
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aroom
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All those comments about pros not being pros if they can't afford a Mac Pro: you are all wrong by a long shot. Marketing segmentation won't change the reality : most pros - especially in the audio world - won't have the budget to afford a Mac Pro and also won't need the architecture of it.
Another Mac option between the Mac Mini and the Mac Pro would be great for a lot of people who like me, make a living by producing creative content in audio video and light design, working on the road and touring most of the time.
If you where following the discussion on other forums platform, you'll know that this is our reality. And I don't even start with the T2 issues with USB audio devices.
Another Mac option between the Mac Mini and the Mac Pro would be great for a lot of people who like me, make a living by producing creative content in audio video and light design, working on the road and touring most of the time.
If you where following the discussion on other forums platform, you'll know that this is our reality. And I don't even start with the T2 issues with USB audio devices.
NY Guitarist
macrumors 68000
Many 'pro' users have multiple computers to split the workload. Music composers often have to jump through hoops and run virtual instruments (such as Vienna Symphonic Library) on slave computers and deal with latency issues.
Many video 'pros' switched to windows PCs to get the work done because systems are available that can install and run multiple graphics cards.
[doublepost=1560454238][/doublepost]As far as the 'pros' being able to afford these systems...
Apple and other streaming companies have killed royalties for all but large corporations. The indy music artists, filmmakers, film composers, etc are not getting paid much anymore, if anything.
thisisnotmyname
macrumors 68020
That's not what I said. They are free to buy an iMac or a Mac Mini or a Windows PC etc... My point was that people thinking that a workstation created with professionals in audio, video, and other compute intensive industries needs to be accessible to anyone who calls themselves a musician is just silly.
That said, I also take issue with the position that some appear to take of companies don't care what anything costs provided they can use it in a revenue generating process. That's not true either (at least not at any scale in successful companies). Businesses with competent decision makers are evaluating return on investment of any significant expenditure. If I'm going to produce more benefit from this outlay than from other potential uses of my capital (usually in terms of direct revenue/profit but there may be some less tangible benefits too) then I'm going to buy it. Those in the target market for this device seem to be agreeing that will be the case. There can absolutely be cases that the ROI isn't present regardless of being a commercial setting. Take a small business who doesn't have the available capital to make the investment. Or commercial settings that have audio/video needs but the volume of work is very low and/or simplistic so waiting on lower powered machines to process won't become a bottleneck. Those individuals may choose a lower powered Apple machine or some form of Windows box (and yes there are high end needs that are successfully running high end Windows workstations and will continue to as well).
edit to add: thanks @nyguitarist, I didn't even touch on proxy workflows.
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BvizioN
macrumors 603
Musicians don't need the Mac Pro.
Arguably even most music producers don't.
Probably want one tho, i know i do, but i rarely even overload my 6-core Mini.
That's so ridiculous tho.
NI and VSL should step up their game and allow streaming directly from NVMe drives. No need for RAM anymore.
Mac Mini 6-core can run Logic and not very limited either.
Mac Mini 6-core i7 when released was only overpowered by the iMac Pro.
It has more CPU juice than 2012 cheese grater and 2013 trashcan.
Mini is no slouch.
It was a computer made for audio. And it's perfect for project studios because it's very silent and you can tuck it behind the desk.
BornAgainMac
macrumors 604
I wonder if someday, Apple will just have a Mac-in-the-cloud.com service that you rent a fully loaded Mac Pro by the hour.
Pro = You make your living from your work. Pro's can and will purchase mac pros.
For aspiring musicians and all hobbyists - Get a Mac Mini or iMac. Can't afford one? - Get a refurb or used one.
Don't want to come across as brash but that's just the facts of it. Getting a little tired of all the bashing about the new Mac Pros by people who don't need them. 🙂
There likely will already be Macs out there with performance better than the base model Mac Pro.
8 core Xeon isn't anything groundbreaking. Shipping with only four dimms will mean mediocre performance. It should ship with six. For $6K, it is likely going to be a rather underwhelming return.
thisisnotmyname
macrumors 68020
I'd expect either using hardware that is no longer supported for newer OSes or on a hackintosh. It's possible they just don't like any of the newer versions but I'd bet on one of the former reasons.
mdriftmeyer
macrumors 68040
This is a stop gap. Logic Pro 10.5 that was demoed at WWDC comes out this Fall.
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Hit Command-R several times. It eventually shows up.
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Hit Command-R several times. It eventually shows up.
thisisnotmyname
macrumors 68020
People have been predicting takeover by dumb terminals for many decades. Whether cloud computing finally makes that a mass adopted reality, who knows. It's possible, even plausible. Let's see how Google Stadia fares.
skitidetdu
macrumors 6502a
The projects are more or less the same. So is the audio format. The way I use a DAW is as a tape recorder and for virtual instruments/VST’s. All this with flextime, smart tempo, loops browser etc is not for me.
And BTW I can run reaper fine on a Mac without boot camp. I suppose Reaper apparently is an extremely lightweight DAW. It’s just that over the years the menus and UI have been cluttered with a lot of stuff that I don’t need which distracts and disturbs my workflow. Hence I wanted to give Logic a try because I am generally very impressed with apples approach to UI and workflows. And that they (generally) make rock stable, simple and lightweight software. I’m NOT going back to Windows!
I was just surprised that it demanded so many resources compared to reaper.
velocityg4
macrumors 604
Professional
2a : participating for gain or livelihood in an activity or field of endeavor often engaged in by amateurs
b : having a particular profession as a permanent career
c : engaged in by persons receiving financial return
Some people seem to think professional means only someone who can afford a Mac Pro or that you are only a pro if the Mac Pro makes sound business sense. Anyone making money in a field as a majority of their income is a professional. Rather the Mac Pro is targeted at professionals and organizations whom have achieved the level of success and demanding workload to necessitate a Mac Pro. Plus make it affordable.
Even with a big music studio and high income. I doubt many audio pros need the new Mac Pro. It would depend a lot on the type of audio editing they do. Many could probably get by just fine with a PowerMac G5 or older. Many likely do. Especially if their expensive audio equipment doesn't have drivers for newer operating systems.
2a : participating for gain or livelihood in an activity or field of endeavor often engaged in by amateurs
b : having a particular profession as a permanent career
c : engaged in by persons receiving financial return
Some people seem to think professional means only someone who can afford a Mac Pro or that you are only a pro if the Mac Pro makes sound business sense. Anyone making money in a field as a majority of their income is a professional. Rather the Mac Pro is targeted at professionals and organizations whom have achieved the level of success and demanding workload to necessitate a Mac Pro. Plus make it affordable.
Even with a big music studio and high income. I doubt many audio pros need the new Mac Pro. It would depend a lot on the type of audio editing they do. Many could probably get by just fine with a PowerMac G5 or older. Many likely do. Especially if their expensive audio equipment doesn't have drivers for newer operating systems.
djcerla
macrumors 68020
But now you can run +1000 audio tracks...!!!
I’m definitely not a pro so I might be wrong, but I cannot see what pro that could possibly keep track of a 1000 tracks :s Cannot see what kind of project that would need that either.
But for the pro’s that’s running a U2, The Wall or similar concert I think such a machine could come in handy. The pros that record a symphonic orchestra and so on. Not the “pro” that records the odd Indy album.
Instrumentality
macrumors member
Do any pro editors or photographers use apple pro apps anymore? It seems like the whole pro apps by apple (final cut, motion, aperture) has gone bust... other than logic I mean. Thoughts?
Apple making the stand optional and pricing it at $999 was a brilliant move from a (free) publicity perspective.
Look at all of the moan-n-whiners and tech sites that have given the display a ton of coverage and controversy since it was announced. That's caused many to go deep on the specs and performance of the display relative to the real competition. Anyone looking for an outstanding display (reference or not) will see it represents excellent value.