Musicians will be fine with pretty much any other computer in the lineup, no? Audio, even with a ton of plugins running on multiple tracks, MIDI, etc, shouldn't put even an iMac to the test.
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Logic Pro X Gets Refresh for Upcoming Mac Pro
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Musicians will be fine with pretty much any other computer in the lineup, no? Audio, even with a ton of plugins running on multiple tracks, MIDI, etc, shouldn't put even an iMac to the test.
This is for the most part true. A "pro" is someone who is generally seen as an established professional in their field. It's assumed that a professional is earning somewhat of a professional level income and can either a) write this purchase off for business or b). afford it outright. A "pro" is not someone who merely thinks they are an expert at their craft. It is assumed that a professional who requires said computer equipment is obviously not a starving artist contemplating how they are going to make rent. This is why some countries require "professionals" to guarantee documents like applications and passport photos. Professional is analogous to stability.
... or you could save $333 a month and in 18 to 20 months purchase it on your Apple Credit card, get the points and use the cash you saved to pay it off right away. Personally I do it from that angle to ensure I don't get trapped paying interest by unforeseen events. Plus, by then my excitement has died down and I can evaluate if I really want to spend that much on whatever it was I was saving for. =)
Are you a happy mac pro user?
So much adorable hand-wringing regarding the new Mac Pro and display.
I remember when the Mac IIfx came out in 1990. Starting at $9,000. Which is more than $17K in today's money.
People or companies who needed one purchased one. People who didn't, or could't afford one, purchased a Mac IIci, like I did. For $4,000. Not a biggie. My company bought a couple of Mac IIfx computers for signal processing algorithm development using MATLAB.
Both the new Mac Pro and Pro Display HDR are excellent values.
I remember when the Mac IIfx came out in 1990. Starting at $9,000. Which is more than $17K in today's money.
People or companies who needed one purchased one. People who didn't, or could't afford one, purchased a Mac IIci, like I did. For $4,000. Not a biggie. My company bought a couple of Mac IIfx computers for signal processing algorithm development using MATLAB.
Both the new Mac Pro and Pro Display HDR are excellent values.
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An off noob question: given LPX is mostly oriented towards music creation, can it be used as a substitute for Audition/Audacity? I mean for voice overs editing, fixing noisy audio, compression, effects, normalizing, limiters, EQs etc.? Or it'd be an overkill, if it can, since Audacity is for free?
...A pro still has to justify those expenses to their employer or clients. A pro still needs to raise the cash or credit to actually buy them. "Tax deductible" is not the same as "free". Even a "true pro" will need a good justification to shell out for a Mac Pro system.
...except, if you do have that "because Pro" blank check, you can already get dual-Xeon PCs with twice the number of cores, NVIDIA GPUs that are better-supported by pro video/3D software - not to mention specialist systems for GPU-based computing that can take 10 GPU cards. Most of the new tech shown of at WWDC was Intel and AMD stuff that will be coming to a cheap(er) beige box near you by the time the MP is actually in the shops. Thunderbolt? Its a narrow pro-sumer, non-networked niche between USB 3.1g2 on one side and 100Gbps Ethernet, Fibrechannel (goes up to 128Gbps these days) etc. on the other (oh, and with a compatible motherboard, Thunderbolt is a $100 add-in card, anyhow).
So, sorry, no, if you're on a Hollywood studio budget and need 'bone crushing power' the Mac Pro may be small beer price-wise, but its even smaller beer spec-wise. The only model we know the price of is a $6000 "prosumer" machine with the spec of at $3000-$4000 PC.
Now, Logic Pro on the other hand is excellent value for money c.f. competitors like Ableton (if you look at the artificial limits and minimal instruments on anything less that the full-price suites) - but then you've partly paid for the extras when you bought your Mac...
Yep we do and will continue to do so. Done 2 gigs in the last 10 days. One as a commercial shot shoot - Injest and Rushes handled by 2 x trashcan MP on set. Edited and graded on FCPx and Resolve. Other was a muti-person podcast panel from a conference. Audio captured and edited using Logic and RX7 and live streamed with MBPs / Blackmagic gear.
Only thing I'm 'upset' about is losing Aperture - that was not called for.
If you look at my profile you can see that I've been here a while and been a 'creative pro' for about 30 years. First mac was a Classic SE. So don't you worry about us... we just like things that work, we don't really care about the costs of Mac hardware vs. production costs / payback times. Number of lost production days using Macs since 1990 due to 'computer issues' = 0
Wooo, the release notes confirmed something that has been bugging me a lot: "Flex Pitched notes now sound when clicked." Now I will have an easier time fixing my ****** vocals.
It's not meant for audio/music professionals at all, it's clearly targeted at video, where there's more money anyway.
I agree tho, that a midgap between Mac Pro and Mac Mini would be great. I love my mini, but I know I'll run out of juice sooner rather than later.
A dual CPU setup with rudimentary graphics would be affordable and perfect for audio.
Huh? a "basic" Mac Mini can support dozens of tracks. I wouldn't call that limited. My five year old MBP15 runs a couple dozen, before I have to start freezing stuff.
Its for the audio engineers/producers that are sucessful at their job
Something cheaper is the imac pro or imac 2019
I'm not yet seeing the update either.
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That did it! Thanks!
I use it for VO’s a few times a week.
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Wish there were instrument UI updates and other updates as well. All the old instruments like UltraBeat and Evoc etc need updates big time. The all need to be cohesive with the new instruments.
Totally agree. Been a Mac graphics Pro (i.e. I get paid for what I do) since I got my hands on an SE. I can also count the total number of days lost due to 'computer issues' as 0. Not a single one. 100% productive. My old 'cheese-grater' Mac Pro is never, ever turned off, and is always doing some revenue earning task. Don't believe it? That's your problem. This machine will pay for itself within a couple of months, if that, and everything after that is pure gravy. Google "ROI - Return on Investment" if you're interested. If not, go build a PC that has 16 million different colours of lighting in the case! Wow! Mac doesn't have that, therefore PC = better! And nVidia. Woo - f**king hoo. Pity the poor sods who jumped ship, built some utterly ghastly Franken-PC and now have to justify what they've spent all that money on. Suddenly that new MP looks like real value for money, though they'll never admit it.Yep we do and will continue to do so. Done 2 gigs in the last 10 days. One as a commercial shot shoot - Injest and Rushes handled by 2 x trashcan MP on set. Edited and graded on FCPx and Resolve. Other was a muti-person podcast panel from a conference. Audio captured and edited using Logic and RX7 and live streamed with MBPs / Blackmagic gear.
Only thing I'm 'upset' about is losing Aperture - that was not called for.
If you look at my profile you can see that I've been here a while and been a 'creative pro' for about 30 years. First mac was a Classic SE. So don't you worry about us... we just like things that work, we don't really care about the costs of Mac hardware vs. production costs / payback times. Number of lost production days using Macs since 1990 due to 'computer issues' = 0
Apple does right by FCPX and Logic. They don't get near enough credit for these gems. Bravo, bravo!
But…I really do wish they would give Motion and Compressor some update love, too. Just a little?
Oh, and bring back Aperture!
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Totally agree. Logic (and FCPX, for that matter) are very user-friendly for non-pro-pros, like myself. But also super deep, if need be. Best software value ever.
But…I really do wish they would give Motion and Compressor some update love, too. Just a little?
Oh, and bring back Aperture!
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Totally agree. Logic (and FCPX, for that matter) are very user-friendly for non-pro-pros, like myself. But also super deep, if need be. Best software value ever.
Real professionals would focus on creating their content using the tools they have, not whining about the price of a Mac Pro. If they can afford one, they’ll get one. If not, they won’t be bothered and will simply use another tool. The creation part is their focus, not the tools. The Mac Pro is just another tool, not the only tool. The ones who focused on the tools itself are the nerds.
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Previous Mac Pros? Clustered Mac Minis? The Max performance of this new Mac Pro is simply a new headroom to grow to when needed.
People has been creating music even before the invention of a computer.
My 5yo MacBook Pro running logic pro x does everything I need it to. I can't afford pro studio level hardware but I don't have pro studio level needs.
I think that the new Logic Pro X maximum track number probably says less about this new software feature and more about the potential capability of the 2019 Mac Pro. If I recall correctly, many of the DAWs (Such as Cubase) that compete with Logic Pro X have had an unlimited tracks feature for some time, limited only by the the capability of the computer. I also see that grand daddy of DAWs, Digital Performer, now allows for 32,000 midi tracks.