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Logitech Debuts New MX Vertical Ergonomic Mouse
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Does anyone here have elbow related pain from mousing?
That's been my issue the last 3 years and I'm not sure if this type of design would even address that?
That's been my issue the last 3 years and I'm not sure if this type of design would even address that?
So what's your point? You say disposable batteries are bad for the environment (true) but then you say that rechargables are somehow a "pain"? So you get a wired mouse, but what, you're gonna get a wired TV remote too? You gonna find wired alternatives to all the stuff you own that wants AA and AAA batteries? No, you're not. Get some Eneloops and be done with it. There's nothing hard about charging them.
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Had the same exact problem with one of the MX mice.
I bought one of their wireless gaming mice a few months ago (G305) -- I'm not a gamer, but it's by far the best mouse I've ever used. Anyway, I never do this, but for once I got an "extended warranty" because of my previous experiences with Logitech mice going belly-up right after the one year mark.
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I’d like to see a comparison. The Evoluent wasn’t my cup of tea, but I’m interested in a better mouse.
How long of a phone/power cord do you find you need to run from your house to your smartphone, as you travel about the city?
The MX Vertical Trotsky version is the one I’d pick.
Mine’s the one two broken side view mirrors.
Yeah, those look like the back and forward buttons. If this doesn’t have an actual thumb clicky thing then this would be less useful to me than the MX Master.
I really wish companies would develop left-handed mice. 10% is still a good chunk of the market. I basically have stopped using a desktop because of wrist problems. If I ever need to work in a desktop situation, I have to use one of my ambidextrous trackballs. I love my Marble Mouse, but its limited options is problematic (e.g., lack of scroll wheel). I also have a Kensington Orbit, but it's not that comfortable. I'd pay even a premium to get a good left-handed mouse. Once in a while I check out the latest in trackball/ergonomic mouse offerings, and I never see anything I can use.
I’m right handed but use a trackpad with my left hand. I don’t use a mouse. It is because the right side of my desk has no room and I’ve got to use a trackpad to rotate and zoom into images whilst editing them with a pen tablet.
I’ve not tried to use - nor do I think I can use - a mouse left handed but it would be an interesting effort.
The one I mentioned previously comes in a left handed version. Several others mentioned it as well. They’ve been doing that for years.
https://evoluent.com/products/vm4l/
I have 4...maybe 5 Magic Mice here and none of them work properly, always disconnecting. Absolute crap which is a shame because I like the touch instead of the physical wheel.
However, I bought a €17 wired ergo mouse to try the concept and would never go back to a mouse in the traditional orientation anyway. This is much more comfortable.
However, I bought a €17 wired ergo mouse to try the concept and would never go back to a mouse in the traditional orientation anyway. This is much more comfortable.
...right up until the day when chronic pain develops. Then the penny drops.
Just received my new MX Vertical mouse 30 mins ago, so here are some early thoughts for those interested.
It's much lighter than the Microsoft Sculpt Ergonomic mouse I had been using. I had dropped that one, and then the left click started acting up, and then I lost the USB dongle...hence this new Logitech mouse, perfect timing!
I had used an older MS ergo mouse too (Microsoft Natural Wireless Laser Mouse 6000), but I could never get used to the orientation of the laser, you had to hold it almost sideways to get a straight up/down cursor movement.
This one will feels similar but not as drastic, so hopefully I can get used to it.
I really like the feel of it, very natural grip, good feeling surface on it. Good buttons, mouse wheel is good and clicks, but it doesn't scroll side-to-side like some of their mouse wheels. Installed the Mac drivers for it, no problems. Easy to adjust the pointer speed and what the buttons do.
It also connects to 3 devices, and you can use Logitech Flow to move the mouse between computer screens, like if your workstations are beside each other.
I'm using the included Logitech dongle, not bluetooth.
I also have an Evoluent Bluetooth mouse for Mac, but it has very short battery life, despite it sleeping constantly and you have to move or click it to wake it up, pretty annoying, plus it's heavier and not much wireless range. I'm expecting much better battery life from this MX.
It's much lighter than the Microsoft Sculpt Ergonomic mouse I had been using. I had dropped that one, and then the left click started acting up, and then I lost the USB dongle...hence this new Logitech mouse, perfect timing!
I had used an older MS ergo mouse too (Microsoft Natural Wireless Laser Mouse 6000), but I could never get used to the orientation of the laser, you had to hold it almost sideways to get a straight up/down cursor movement.
This one will feels similar but not as drastic, so hopefully I can get used to it.
I really like the feel of it, very natural grip, good feeling surface on it. Good buttons, mouse wheel is good and clicks, but it doesn't scroll side-to-side like some of their mouse wheels. Installed the Mac drivers for it, no problems. Easy to adjust the pointer speed and what the buttons do.
It also connects to 3 devices, and you can use Logitech Flow to move the mouse between computer screens, like if your workstations are beside each other.
I'm using the included Logitech dongle, not bluetooth.
I also have an Evoluent Bluetooth mouse for Mac, but it has very short battery life, despite it sleeping constantly and you have to move or click it to wake it up, pretty annoying, plus it's heavier and not much wireless range. I'm expecting much better battery life from this MX.
That’s ridiculous. Humans naturally rest their palms downwards on surfaces. If they have strain they need to stretch, exercise and also rest better.
This device actually discouraged users from using their hands and wrists naturally.
This device actually discouraged users from using their hands and wrists naturally.
I've been using Logitech peripherals for 3 decades. Whenever there was a new flagship mouse/keyboard I used to buy it, even with me knowing/understanding that they will stop working in 1 year more or less (in many cases suspiciously exactly after the warranty expires, for all the naives that don't believe planned obsolescence exists). But, in general, I had positive experience with Logitech support. While I have stopped using Logitech keyboards (in favour of the Apple A1243 "aluminium" keyboard", which sadly 1) breaks down even easier, 2) costs even higher, 3) has been replaced with the Magic keyboard which is even more ridiculously expensive, 4) Apple support has been non-existent in most countries I have been to) I am still using Logitech mice. Some are good enough and easy to find and order.
This looks as "ergonomical" as those silly "natural" Microsoft keyboards. I understand that there might be a market for those but that's not for me. In fact, I've been thinking about returning to a lighter, smaller mouse, i.e. I've been enjoying my MX Performance more than my MX Master lately.
This looks as "ergonomical" as those silly "natural" Microsoft keyboards. I understand that there might be a market for those but that's not for me. In fact, I've been thinking about returning to a lighter, smaller mouse, i.e. I've been enjoying my MX Performance more than my MX Master lately.
What are you credentials for spreading that information?
My neurologist says you are wrong, I tend to trust him.
As an exercise look at your posture. Stretch out your arm, have your arm rest by your side. You'll see that you've got this wrong.
Think about forearm anatomical stresses in both positions. Placed flat (pronated), the radius and ulna twist over each other. Vertically (neutral position) they are more parallel. I find it takes more effort to keep my forearm flat than vertical. Having both options in mice for both left and right hands is a good thing for me. Vertical mice and switching options relieved neuromuscular discomfort that I developed in my dominant right forearm and hand as I aged after many years of computer work. I haven’t done a formal literature search on the long term effect of mouse ergonometrics, but vertical mice worked for me.
Pronation-Supination:
Some technical reading. Random sampling, not a systematic literature search. Clearly lots to this and alternative computer interface options are far from ridiculous.
http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/154193121005400604
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S000368700300005X
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0003687014001598
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00140139508925280
https://www.jstor.org/stable/40966801?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
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Can't give good advice this way. Sorry if this sounds patronizing, but best advice I can give is see a qualified health professional for diagnosis and treatment recommendations. That said, changing postures when doing a repetitive action generally is a good idea.
What’s interesting about this mouse is that is doesn’t seem to be truly vertical, rather slanted. One of the papers that I found above suggested that slanted might be a good compromise between more stress horizontal and less efficient cursor control if the forearm is fully vertical.
Wow, that's ugly, I show up to office with that, the nerds will beat me up and take my lunch money
Eye of the beholder. However, I suspect that, in actuality, the "nerds" (if you mean technically-oriented people) in your office would envy you. If not, you need to find a "better" (i.e., smarter) class of nerds.
I know this is a comment on an old thread, but curious if you still like your Evoluent vertical mouse, as I'm considering one.
I saw the following on their site and wondered if you've had any problems with using their software if you've been on Catalina or newer:
Thanks!