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Why are people caught up over the phrase "house that Woz built?" When someone tells you they are building a new house do you say "Wow, I didn't know that you could build houses too!" Everyone understands that the phase "we built this house" means "we didn't buy an existing house or a house in a subdivision, we worked with an architect and a custom home builder to get our house built." But people don't say that whole phrase because they expect reasonably educated people to understand that "we built this house" doesn't mean we actually made it. That's why people who did make their own house say "I built this house with my own hands." If the former meant that, then you wouldn't need to clarify by adding the "with my own hands" bit.

I know you were probably just being humorous, but this wasn't the only post that seemed to have issues with that phrase.
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Love it ;) had a chuckle at that.

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Whenever I read a front page article, and I think to myself something along the lines of 'Why has it been written like this?' or 'Why is that link in there?' or 'Why did the author mention that?' I play a game called 'Did Jordon Golson Write This?'

And I win every time.

As for the house, it looks really nice, I would love to live in a similar place.
 
I'm glad this isn't his house anymore, because tomorrow MR would probably post 5 stories about things he would be selling at his garage sale. Front page of course.
 
Not to be pedantic, but I think even the Woz had to hire an architect, construction workers, shippers, manufacturers, and others to make and build the house...

If he himself built it all with assistance from nobody else, it'd probably be worth 1000x as much (seriously).

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Because the media is supposed to be about facts and ensuring integrity*. Not sensationalizing and misadvertising for cheap ratings and profiteering.


* forgive me for laughing out loud in utter hysterics; on mainstream world/national news sites people are a thousand times more critical, and very rightly so...

Did you really think that the article was saying that Woz physically built this house? Do you think they were trying to pull one over on us? I'll bet if you showed that headline to a thousand people only a tiny handful would misinterpret it to mean he physically built his own house. There is no issue of integrity here, there is an issue with reading comprehension.
 
I love modern homes, but ones built in the late 80's tend to stink. This was the time architects were transitioning from the huge 80's art deco (think Miami) trend to ultra modern and the results are not so great because what you had was a mish-mash of the two, and it made for some really odd shapes and spaces.
 
I'm glad this isn't his house anymore, because tomorrow MR would probably post 5 stories about things he would be selling at his garage sale. Front page of course.

Rumors of what he might be selling, yes. Imagine the 1000s of replies wondering if there is a Mac1 left in the garage...... isn't that exciting :-/

Bear in mind - it is all about traffic and whether something should or shouldn't be on the frontpage doesn't matter - people will still discuss it for 100 pages even if 99 of them are about complains about the fact it is frontpage news.
 
Yes, and when there are articles about Tim Cook selling his shares we should make sure that they say "Tim Cook EARNED $ Ten Million" because if it says "Tim Cook MADE $ Ten Million" we would all assume that he had a printing press in his garage.

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Totally different. When you have shares, you technically aren't earning anything. He's not doing anything that directly gets him that money. It's just based on the company. He earns his salary, not the shares.

The built/designed thing is about taking credit for something. He designed it, but he didn't build it. I don't know how "built" came up first in the writer's mind. It's like my boss saying he put together some motion graphics and did all the editing and animation, when the only thing he did was supply some direction.

"Made" and "earned" are much more closely related than "built" and "designed."
 
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Totally different. When you have shares, you technically aren't earning anything. He's not doing anything that directly gets him that money. It's just based on the company. He earns his salary, not the shares.

The built/designed thing is about taking credit for something. He designed it, but he didn't build it. I don't know how "built" came up first in the writer's mind. It's like my boss saying he put together some motion graphics and did all the editing and animation, when the only thing he did was supply some direction.

"Made" and "earned" are much more closely related than "built" and "designed."

Maybe this is a Canadian/British thing. When someone tells me they're building a new house, I would never assume that they are the ones swinging a hammer.
 
damn, prop13 sucks (but whoever could afford this doesn't care)! so if it's sold for $4.7 mil, that's at least $47,000/yr not including the amount to amortize voter-approved bonds. Then factor in utilities for such a large house! That water bill must be insane.

Prop 13 made property taxes in California some of the lowest in the nation, so nothing to complain about from a property owner's point of view. In fact for as long as a property remains in the same ownership (or is passed on to family), the tax base never adjusts more then the 2% per year. So what you get is identical houses side-by-side that often pay a difference in property taxes of two, three or more times.

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I love modern homes, but ones built in the late 80's tend to stink. This was the time architects were transitioning from the huge 80's art deco (think Miami) trend to ultra modern and the results are not so great because what you had was a mish-mash of the two, and it made for some really odd shapes and spaces.

Somebody doesn't know what Art Deco means.

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Exactly. That's what it should say.

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Prop 13 made property taxes in California some of the lowest in the nation, so nothing to complain about from a property owner's point of view.
On a per-capita basis they aren't low. Why do you think California's governments pursue policies that make real estate as expensive as possible? If Prop 13 doesn't permit direct increases in property taxes, evade its intent by increasing property prices.
 
How so? You only pay for the water you use, and even with 6.5 baths, I don't think you'd be using them more than in any other house.

yeah, that's true. I think what would kill on the water bill is the garden. Since there are a lot of acres, there might be a lot of ground to water.
 
On a per-capita basis they aren't low. Why do you think California's governments pursue policies that make real estate as expensive as possible? If Prop 13 doesn't permit direct increases in property taxes, evade its intent by increasing property prices.

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It makes a lot more sense if you realize that Prop 13 locks in property taxes for the current owner based on the old sale price - not market value.

When the property is sold, the new owner pays property tax on the new sale price (market value). Prop 13 does nothing except to protect the new owner from rapid increases in taxes if the values rise.
 
It's yet another example of Woz's incredible ability to reduce the number of necessary components.

Half bathrooms are generally close to main entrances such as a front door or a back door. The other 6 bathrooms have a shower and/or tub. This bathroom is probably close to an entrance. My house has 3.5 bathrooms. The half is located by my garage door, which for us, we use as a main entrance. Half bathrooms are very common in many houses, actually.
 
Half bathrooms are generally close to main entrances such as a front door or a back door. The other 6 bathrooms have a shower and/or tub. This bathroom is probably close to an entrance. My house has 3.5 bathrooms. The half is located by my garage door, which for us, we use as a main entrance. Half bathrooms are very common in many houses, actually.

As much as I appreciate the quick primer on bathroom design and placement considerations, you need to realize that I was making a joke referencing the stories of how Wozniak was famously able to figure out how to reduce the number of parts in a computer, and then reduce that number even further. I find it sad that I had to explain the joke; I would have thought that my 20+ upvotes might have clued you in to some sort of light nature to my post, but the inability to recognize a joke is very common in many forums, actually.
 
As much as I appreciate the quick primer on bathroom design and placement considerations, you need to realize that I was making a joke referencing the stories of how Wozniak was famously able to figure out how to reduce the number of parts in a computer, and then reduce that number even further. I find it sad that I had to explain the joke; I would have thought that my 20+ upvotes might have clued you in to some sort of light nature to my post, but the inability to recognize a joke is very common in many forums, actually.

It's okay, I didn't really realize that it was a joke, I didn't mean any hard feelings or to be offensive. I only thought there was a misunderstanding, that's all. I honestly didn't know there was a voting system on this site and I don't really clue into Apple history.

No hard feelings?
 
It makes a lot more sense if you realize that Prop 13 locks in property taxes for the current owner based on the old sale price - not market value.

When the property is sold, the new owner pays property tax on the new sale price (market value). Prop 13 does nothing except to protect the new owner from rapid increases in taxes if the values rise.

I realize all of this about Prop 13. It did a hell of a lot more simply protect home owners from increases in taxes. Most of what it really did was to completely alter the relationship between state and local government and obliterate what little land planning was previously done in California. It deeply disadvantaged small cities over large ones. On and on it goes. Anyhow, what I don't understand is any of the statements made in the post to which I was responding.
 
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