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Lost TV show (Part 2) -- includes spoilers on show nights

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Maldini said:
So what happened with Daniel Faraday???
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I bet he took the sub off the island to meet up with his mother to try and sort out the time travel stuff...to try to get everything back to normal.

adameels said:
Funny, I went to Lostpedia and found out something I missed
Apparently there was someone behind Sun at the Processing Centre

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Image:509_sun_woman2.jpg
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Despite the hair parted in the middle, I think that it is Claire. She's been showing up with Christian lately, seeing as they are both part of the same family. Theres something going on with Jacob and that lineage. Christian, Claire and Jack, and Aaron. I guess we'll find out!
 
techfreak85 said:
he would have had to gone back to 2004 from 2007 to warn him self then. i suspect more time travel...
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Not necessarily. At some point, child-Ben could be told about the plane crash by either Sun, Frank, or crash-survivor-Ben if they end up traveling back to 1977. Most likely Ben will tell himself in order to save himself.
 
Now we know why Sayid was on the plane in handcuffs. Perhaps seeing the other 815-ers on the plane convinced him that his fate (returning to the island) was destined, not of his own doing, and that's why he claimed he had another purpose when Sawyer offered to let him escape from the jail cell.

But what are the writers up to with Ben? Could that last shot have been non-fatal?
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Doctor Q said:
Now we know why Sayid was on the plane in handcuffs. Perhaps seeing the other 815-ers on the plane convinced him that his fate (returning to the island) was destined, not of his own doing, and that's why he claimed he had another purpose when Sawyer offered to let him escape from the jail cell.

But what are the writers up to with Ben? Could that last shot have been non-fatal?
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Yeah I'm going to go with the shot was not fatal. Interesting ep though.
 
I thought it was the weakest so far. Nothing very exciting other than the end. But he can't die because a) we've seen him as an adult and b) it would totally go against everything Farraday said. So I'm sure he will somehow be healed which makes this ending not very exciting.

So.... where's Locke? I mean he is the best part of the show and all...
 
Perhaps not as exciting as the trailer portrayed it, but still a good episode. Was the burning bus Ben's doing (or he got the help of someone else like Richard) or just a coincidence?

Also did Ilana the woman who brought Sayid along know the plane was going to crash? She appears to be very suprised when the plane crashed.

And is there a connection between Oldham and Sayid's last kill for Ben? When he leaves that building, the sign about the doors says 'Oldham Pharmaceuticals' transliterated into Russian.

The ending, I'm not gonna speculate until the next episode, though the next episode is likely to be set in the present
 
So Sayid thinks his purpose is to kill 1977 Ben.
He kills him and none of the past/future happens.
All those people he killed for Ben never died.
The man who never was.

But there are rules..........................
So Ben will still exist, in some form, the universe course corrects.:D

Anyone read Carlos Castenadas stuff?
1977 Ben reading 'A Separate Reality'............:cool:
Is that a hint to what's going on, or what 1977 Ben is up to?
 
pilotError said:
Since when did being dead stop anybody on LOST?
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Exactly.

Ben can't be dead--that is, he can't *stay* dead--because, well, he didn't die. He grew up.

The writers are taking a view of time-travel that, IMO, is most sensible. Whatever is happening is the sum total of all the time travel that will have ever occurred. It's not as though there was a first 1977, and then a different 1977 after the Losties changed everything. The way 1977 is going down is the way it always went down, and if you ever asked adult Ben if he was shot by Sayid, the answer would be yes*, because that's always what happened. And I bet it's as a child that Ben falls in love with Juliette.

*Assuming Ben told the truth, that is :D
 
I enjoyed the run up to the ending, not great stuff but okay.
Feels to me like they're dragging their heels a bit, everything was so fast paced up until the last few weeks!

Personally I hope young Ben is dead just to see how they handle the plot. Given that he was shot around the heart and Jin is out cold I wouldn't put much faith in young Ben living. All the other injuries (barring Locke's death) seemed minor compared to this one.
Plus a few series ago didn't they say the island would prevent stuff like this from happening if the person was too important? (think it was when Jack was off the island and all depressed like, tried committing suicide but wasn't allowed to die because of the island)
 
Interesting. Locke came back from death when the second plane crashed after being murdered by Ben so I'm guessing Ben will come back to life also.

There could be a string cheese theory going on. Parallel realities all happening at the same time.

I'm glad Sayad found out why he had to return though. I've always liked him. An assassin with a conscience.:D
 
Peace said:
There could be a string cheese theory going on. Parallel realities all happening at the same time.
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748s said:
Anyone read Carlos Castenadas stuff?
1977 Ben reading 'A Separate Reality'............:cool:
Is that a hint to what's going on, or what 1977 Ben is up to?
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I think it's likely that they're in an alternate reality, but I would be dissapointed. The reason I'm digging this stuff goin on is because it sheds insight into why the island is like it is today (during the first 4 seasons). I am really enjoying seeing how things were in '77, and what results from those things in present day. With the alternate reality theory*, it's all irrelevant.

*this is what Heroes has been doing all along. Cool visions into the future that don't mean anything because it's all alternate realities. This is why Heroes is getting lame, and LOST is awesome - I just hope it stays that way.
 
raggedjimmi said:
Plus a few series ago didn't they say the island would prevent stuff like this from happening if the person was too important? (think it was when Jack was off the island and all depressed like, tried committing suicide but wasn't allowed to die because of the island)
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Maybe Ben wasn't supposed to be running the Others and the Island did make it right... :eek:

There's so many outcomes to this, I think I'll wait and see before I hurt myself thinking about it :p
 
I don't think Kid Ben is dead. Nor do I think that there will be any mystical island magic that will bring a dead ben back to life. Writers/directors/producers have done this before, a major character gets shot and slumps down as if dead as a door nail at the very end of the episode. Then in the next episode there will be major medical surgery (Jack maybe?) that will bring back his health.

That's my thoughts on what will happen with Kid Ben getting shot.
 
748s said:
So Sayid thinks his purpose is to kill 1977 Ben.
He kills him and none of the past/future happens.
All those people he killed for Ben never died.
The man who never was.

But there are rules..........................
So Ben will still exist, in some form, the universe course corrects.:D
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And by killing child Ben (I'm sure he's dead, Sayid never misses) he prevents the purge, and his other questionable activities just as kidnapping children.

Faraday did say 'Whatever Happened, Happened' but I'm sure he knows more about how time travel and changing the past works then he lets on.
 
lord patton has it right, I believe.

Basically, everything in time has happened already. There is one linear line of time, and as time goes on we go farther down that line. The 1977 we are seeing right now is the 1977 that has always existed. There was no 1977 when it was just Dharma and not the losties and one where there is one with the losties. If we flash-backed in season one to Dharma in 1977 then Sawyer et al would be there. It just wouldn't make sense to us until we realized why they were there. The way I see it is everything has already happened. Nothing can change; what is happening now is that we are being shown different points of time and eventually everything will click and make sense.

Of course, if Ben is actually dead then that theory goes completely to hell. But he's not. :p
 
ben is dead, the purge never happens. All of our characters hiding in DHARMA, are safe for now, and wont die in the purge.
 
ZachsMacDaddy said:
When Frank & Sun were with Christian they were in the Dharma camp building. Based on the run down state of it, I would say it was well past 2007 and likely they are further in the future. He was showing them a photo of their friends from back in 1977 so they could see where they were/are.

The Dharma camp was still in good condition in 2004/5 when the "Others" were living there. It got roughed up some when the thugs from the freighter came to the island and shot it up. Based on the condition it was in last night, I would say that it's at least 2007, but maybe later. Do you think in 3 years between 2004-2007 the Dharma/Others camp would become that run down and overgrown?
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Don't forget that even if they are in their present, it's been three years since they left the island, and the Dharma camp was under attack by Widmore's marines shortly before they left. So they really don't need to be in the future at all.
 
lord patton said:
As confused as it is now, wait till Desmond returns! Especially since Daniel said the rules don't apply to him.
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Hmm do the rules really not apply to Desmond? I mean if "what happened, happens" applies to the past, is Desmond able to see the future but not change the outcome?

The whole thing with Desmond's visions of Charlie's death was that each time he saved Charlie he would get another vision of him dying. So really the only thing Desmond was able to change was the circumstances of Charile's death and not the outcome.

Oh and did you notice that Sayid was drinking the same Scotch previously mentioned in a couple of other episodes? Not that it means anything, but it's pretty funny that they have these fictional product threads stringing from character to character.
 
You know, if Sawyer actually would have taken the time to explain to Sayid why he needed to cooperate, maybe he would have. Sawyer didn't really explain anything to him when he was trying to convince him to lie.
If he would have just said: "Listen Chief, we're all back and integrated with Dharma. We're trying to use the time we have to figure out what our next move will be. If you use the story I'm giving you, you'll be free and you can be around to help us figure things out. If not, there's a good chance they're going to kill you. I can't control that"
How hard would that have been to say?
 
Earlier on this page, I mentioned that Ben could have been dead all along, like Christain Shepard. This is most likely not true, because Ben exists both on and off the island. I now believe that kid Ben will survive the gun shots. I do believe, however, that he will survive them magically with the power of the Island.

I was blown away by the scene with Sayid telling the truth about everything. I did not pick up on this, and perhaps it was pretty obvious to most people, but my Dad told me he was given LSD, which in the 70s, before it was a recreational drug, was used as a truth serum. He said they used to put it on sugar cubes, like the one they gave Sayid. I had no idea (I thought they were using some weird Dharma truth serum). This isn't relevant to any theories, but it is pretty interesting.

Surely said:
You know, if Sawyer actually would have taken the time to explain to Sayid why he needed to cooperate, maybe he would have. Sawyer didn't really explain anything to him when he was trying to convince him to lie.
If he would have just said: "Listen Chief, we're all back and integrated with Dharma. We're trying to use the time we have to figure out what our next move will be. If you use the story I'm giving you, you'll be free and you can be around to help us figure things out. If not, there's a good chance they're going to kill you. I can't control that"
How hard would that have been to say?
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I totally agree. He could have used a more direct approach to telling jack and Kate about him and Juliet as well. Sawyer seems to be doing pretty well as a leader in his actions, but he seems to be pretty terrible on the "words" end of things. The situation with Sayid could have been totally avoided. Also, it was unfair for him to call Jack out in the episode before the previous one. Though he is not my favorite character, Jack did everything he could for the survivors in the first 3-4 seasons. Who knows how many MORE people would have died if it wasn't for his medical skills and leadership. I like Sawyer, but he needs to start acting like the leader he says he is.
 
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