on the philosophical level of the show, i think the smoke monster is supposed to represent all of their fears and doubts. remember what happened to mr eko?
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Lost TV show (Part 2) -- includes spoilers on show nights
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Yes, I agree with your two thoughts. That's what I've been thinking as well. It's possible that he's still at the Orchid- I wouldn't be surprised if we find out that Faraday has taken a lead role (since we saw him in the season's first episode where he appeared to be a drone) in the construction of Orchid.
Sawyer's "not any more" comment, might mean that Faraday has left the island or that he's gone a little crazy.
Yes, Locke and Ben and the rest of the new crash survivors are most likely in Lost's "present time". It is possible that they are in the another time though, maybe in the distant future. The fact that everything is abandoned leads me to believe that possibility.
I think Sawyer's group decided to go with Dharma because when they first came across both groups, the hostels killed a man (Amy's husband) in what appeared to be cold blood, and had Amy in a hood and were about to kill her too. It probably seemed like the hostels were the bad, dangerous guys, and Amy was a part of the good guys.
Some of our favorite Losties are back on the island in 1977. Presumably that means that they are each in two places at once on the planet. So we have one Hurley on the island and one Hurley in his old life and not yet rich at the same time. And one Jack on the island and one Jack in his old life working as a physician at the same time. And so on.
So in theory they could meet themselves if they caught a submarine back to civilization. But the rules of time travel must prohibit that since they don't remember meeting themselves in 1977 when they first lived though that year. And perhaps time travel (with its control over "fate") has a rule that nobody can ever meet themselves. But in theory could Hurley on the island meet Jack on the mainland as long as neither remembered the encounter in later years?
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So in theory they could meet themselves if they caught a submarine back to civilization. But the rules of time travel must prohibit that since they don't remember meeting themselves in 1977 when they first lived though that year. And perhaps time travel (with its control over "fate") has a rule that nobody can ever meet themselves. But in theory could Hurley on the island meet Jack on the mainland as long as neither remembered the encounter in later years?
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I have to say, I did love the part where Hurley was asking all these questions. I think everyone in the audience was starting to think the same thing, and then Richard tells Sawyer that Ben won't remember this. You have to wonder what Sayid is going to do now that he has alienated himself to both groups on the island...
My question above had the details wrong. In 1977 how old would Jack, Hurley, Kate, and Sayid be? Were they born yet? I like time travel science fiction in general, but like Hurley I get confused about the rules.
The theory that the island won't let you die if you shouldn't (Ben) and won't let you live if you shouldn't (Charlie) reminded me of a real-life island where you "can't die". The island of Miyajima in Japan has always been considered sacred, and nobody is supposed to be born there or to die there. As a result, there are no hospitals or cemeteries on the island. There's a beautiful torii gate but no four-toed statues.
Speaking of that Lost statue, you'll find a very interesting sentence if you search for the string "Here you see is" in the text of the 1837 book Headlong Hall, by Thomas Love Peacock.
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The theory that the island won't let you die if you shouldn't (Ben) and won't let you live if you shouldn't (Charlie) reminded me of a real-life island where you "can't die". The island of Miyajima in Japan has always been considered sacred, and nobody is supposed to be born there or to die there. As a result, there are no hospitals or cemeteries on the island. There's a beautiful torii gate but no four-toed statues.
Speaking of that Lost statue, you'll find a very interesting sentence if you search for the string "Here you see is" in the text of the 1837 book Headlong Hall, by Thomas Love Peacock.
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Sayid's never had trouble on his own before, infact it seems to be other people who end up making him kill.
This is exactly why I'm going with the string cheese theory of parallel universes. They could be in different parallels at the same time.
humm. makes me hungry.could u please explain more one that?
It's actually called multiverse. I just watched a Discovery channel program with that chinese quantum theorist and he called it string cheese universes.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sciencea...-universe-proof-boosts-time-travel-hopes.html
Or here :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse
The basic preposition is that it's possible to travel in time and wind up in a different parallel universe.
Of course they are on the planet 32 years ago, most likely, were they to run into themselves, it would be a child version, if they were even born yet. And if you had met yourself over 30 years ago, do you think you'd remember now, that it was you you met?
It was good to finally see the ben vs charles senario and the whole monster thing but still not the full picture. Interesting to see what the underneath of the temple looks like what with the hieroglyphics, and the etching of the god represented in the statue. So what does lie in the shadow of the statue?
Thought it was an excellent episode, and I expect they'll get even better as the season finale gets nearer.
...So, who thinks Locke is the smoke monster?
...So, who thinks Locke is the smoke monster?
I thought that episode was very good. I like Ben and I like John.
Does anyone feel as of late that the show doesn't seem to have a direction? It sort of feels like backstories and some secrets are being revealed, but what is the ultimate goal here?
It felt in the first couple of seasons that the goal was to get off the island, but that's out the picture now!
I think LOST needs to know when to end. I think Season 5 should have been the last season. They should have been 24 episodes rather than 17, and rather each episode running for 42 minutes it should have been extended by another 6 minutes (like Fringe).
From the Fringe wikipedia:
Does anyone feel as of late that the show doesn't seem to have a direction? It sort of feels like backstories and some secrets are being revealed, but what is the ultimate goal here?
It felt in the first couple of seasons that the goal was to get off the island, but that's out the picture now!
I think LOST needs to know when to end. I think Season 5 should have been the last season. They should have been 24 episodes rather than 17, and rather each episode running for 42 minutes it should have been extended by another 6 minutes (like Fringe).
From the Fringe wikipedia:
I think the Ben-Penny-Desmond scene was handled just right, in true Lost fashion. First we had Ben telling Widmore he's going to kill Penny and Ben telling Sun to tell Desmond he was sorry, so you assume he did kill Penny. Then we see the scene where Ben is (apparently) about to shoot Penny but hesitates because she has a child, echoing his change of plans when he was young and went to kill Rousseau on Widmore's orders, finding she had a child (Alex). Nicely done. He apparently has a tiny bit of a conscience where kids are concerned, making it all the more painful that he let Alex be killed. Of course, he doesn't mind stealing children, or killing people in general, so I don't think he'll will any humanitarian awards.
While Desmond was pummeling Ben and throwing him into the water, I had to wonder how many times Ben has been attacked or injured in this series, starting when he claimed his name was Henry Gale. His make-up people must work overtime on this show. Or maybe Michael Emerson (the actor who plays Ben) does his own stunts and he really is bruised and cut and bloodied all of the time. They also did a good job making him look younger in the flashback scenes.
For those who don't remember, we met Ben when he claimed to be Henry Gale in Season 2 and he was held prisoner by the Losties. He claimed he had arrived on the island by balloon and led them to the remains of the balloon and what he said was the grave of his wife. It turned out that the grave held the remains of the real Henry Gale.
The writers haven't ever taken us back to that story. Given how many loose ends remain, they probably won't explain who the real Henry Gale was. That's too bad, since it's a fun wink at the Wizard of Oz. As most people know, the Wizard landed in Oz in a balloon. Henry Gale is the name of Dorothy's father in the classic Wizard of Oz movie. In the original Oz books you are never told if Uncle Henry and Aunt Em have last name Gale. I suspect that they were actually named Henry and Emily Linus!
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While Desmond was pummeling Ben and throwing him into the water, I had to wonder how many times Ben has been attacked or injured in this series, starting when he claimed his name was Henry Gale. His make-up people must work overtime on this show. Or maybe Michael Emerson (the actor who plays Ben) does his own stunts and he really is bruised and cut and bloodied all of the time.
They also did a good job making him look younger in the flashback scenes.For those who don't remember, we met Ben when he claimed to be Henry Gale in Season 2 and he was held prisoner by the Losties. He claimed he had arrived on the island by balloon and led them to the remains of the balloon and what he said was the grave of his wife. It turned out that the grave held the remains of the real Henry Gale.
The writers haven't ever taken us back to that story. Given how many loose ends remain, they probably won't explain who the real Henry Gale was. That's too bad, since it's a fun wink at the Wizard of Oz. As most people know, the Wizard landed in Oz in a balloon. Henry Gale is the name of Dorothy's father in the classic Wizard of Oz movie. In the original Oz books you are never told if Uncle Henry and Aunt Em have last name Gale. I suspect that they were actually named Henry and Emily Linus!
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So from last nights show it seems as though Ben has met all of the original Oceanic survivors previous to the crash. I'm wondering if all of them didn't actually originate from the island. Loved the part where Ben's adopted daughter tells him to do whatever Locke tells him to do. The monster must really like Locke. And how did Locke know where the monster was ? Jacob.Jacob.Jacob.
Why is everyone drawing this connection that John Locke is the smoke monster?
I am genuinely interested to know as it did not cross my mind. Bare in mind there have been times where John has come face to face with the monster.
I am genuinely interested to know as it did not cross my mind. Bare in mind there have been times where John has come face to face with the monster.
That's one of the Hmmmn moments. Can the island really bring folks back from the dead or does the smoke monster use it to manipulate people. Remember when the Priest (Mr. Eko's brother) came to Eko in human form. I assume he was judged and found unworthy of the island as the smoke monster beat him to death. That was Eko's judgement day, we then got to witness Ben's, only he passed...
That little dissapearing act by Locke and the arrival of the smoke monster are pretty coincidental. Again, Locke reappears when the smoke monster dissapears. All with that big cheesy grin of his
I hadn't really thought of it, but hey you never know. Even Ben is trying to figure out how Locke knows as much as he does.
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