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Lost TV show (Season 6) -- includes spoilers on show nights

TSX said:
Ben has always been somewhat the "leader" of the island, even before the plane crashed, so why not just give it to him in the first place instead of choosing candidates?
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Because that would be the logical choice, hence we're getting all this crap about candidates.

What a load of nonsense!

Oh and the list:

4. John Locke
8. Hugo Reyes
15. Sawyer (Ford)
16. Sayid (Jarrah)
23. Jack Shephard
42. Kwon (Sun or Jin - or it could be their baby?)
 
I really hope they are building towards something awesome. It seems as if they are not and it's starting to upset me, heh. Actually, now that I think of it, we did see Widmore coming back to the island. Hmmmmm.

It was good to see Richard again, missed him.
 
Interesting. Possible SPOILERS.

Who Will Inherit the Lost Island?

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Devilish new alliances. Desperate pleas for immunity. And a heated exchange over a late-night campfire debating who among six island castaways will be dubbed the ultimate Survivor. (Cue the conch shell and didgeridoo!)

This is an all-too-familiar TV scenario, often played out in remote locales as far away as Borneo and Vanuatu. But there is one goliath difference between the contest on CBS’ reality mainstay and the one playing out on Lost’s mysterious isle. Here, winning has nothing to do with challenges of endurance or strength or even tribal councils. “We’re not going to be told to jump underwater and hold our breaths—whoever the candidate is has been chosen by fate,” says Yunjin Kim, whose Sun is grappling with the revelation that she (or hubby Jin), Jack, Sawyer, Sayid and Hurley were lured to the island by the godlike Jacob with the intention of choosing one to succeed him as the island’s ruler.

Executive producer Carlton Cuse says he and fellow mastermind Damon Lindelof settled on this half dozen so they could focus on “compelling” characters without making the list completely predictable. (Thus, no Kate. However, he cautions, “You shouldn’t assume that just because someone isn’t a candidate that they’re completely out of play for the future of the island.”)

Yunjin Kim can’t help but be amused by the Survivor-like turn the series has taken. “Will one of us get a million dollars if our flame’s not put out?” she asks.

Of course, what’s at stake here far outweighs cash or the keys to a shiny new car. With Jacob’s island shaping up to be a metaphor for life itself, we’re talking a package of priceless proportions. “From the moment that Desmond punched in the numbers in the computer and said he was ‘just saving the world,’ it has felt like the island does have some kind of role in the world on quite a large scale,” says Jorge Garcia (Hurley).

As the hour nears midnight on Oahu’s Police Beach, where TV GUIDE MAGAZINE has been given an exclusive fireside pass for the opening scene of the March 23 episode, even Poseidon seems to sense that something major is about to go down, with record-high waves crashing out in the darkened sea. Sitting on stumps a few feet away are three of the six candidates: Hurley, Sun and Jack (Matthew Fox), joined by Ben (Michael Emerson), Miles (Ken Leung), Richard (Nestor Carbonell), Ilana (Zuleikha Robinson) and pilot Frank Lapidus (Jeff Fahey).

Elsewhere on the island, the recently revived Sayid (Naveen Andrews) has taken a dark turn in his alignment with Locke/Man in Black (Terry O’Quinn) and Claire (Emilie de Ravin). “It’s a compromising position for Sayid,” says Andrews, adding that the audience should not rule out the possibility of his character finally finding spiritual redemption. “And eventually Kate [Evangeline Lilly] and Sawyer [Josh Holloway] join our little band,” he says. “And then somebody else….”

For the time being, Daniel Dae Kim says his Jin remains “a free agent who hasn’t declared an alliance. His goal is to find his wife, so he has a bit of back and forth between the different groups.” Now shooting the 16th episode, he does not yet know whether Sun or Jin is the chosen Kwan, offering only that “the candidates hold a particular value to the island, and over the next few episodes, you’ll see the extent to which people are willing to go to protect these candidates.”

“It’s not necessarily a desirable task,” says Andrews. “If you were to describe the island as a living being, we don’t know whether it’s good or bad.” Holloway expresses similar concerns. “For a long time I thought the island was like the Death Star,” says the actor, referencing Darth Vader’s evil abode in “Star Wars.” “It moved. It was a station of sorts….”

As the rest of the final season unfolds, Garcia says the list of candidates will “get smaller,” while Daniel Dae Kim offers the grim possibility that the island may actually fail in finding a replacement ruler and thus cease to exist. (Could that be why the island was seen underwater in the season premiere?) Lindelof adamantly declines to answer if one of the six will ever, in fact, be chosen.

Amongst the betting cast, though, Hurley has emerged as the most popular choice to claim the island, as this season has seen the character’s luck take a remarkable turn for the better in his off-island alternate reality. “Matthew Fox told me, ‘I’m pretty sure it’s you,’” says Garcia, who shares his costar’s hunch. “I think Hurley and Jack are high in the running, but I don’t want to jinx it.”

“Out of all the characters, I think Hurley’s the most likable and speaks for the average Joe,” concurs Yunjin Kim. “He was always asking the questions the audience wanted to ask. And if it does turn out to be him, we’ll have golf and Ping-Pong tournaments every day!”

Then again, says Daniel Dae Kim, “Perhaps Hurley will go all Marlon Brando on us and run the island like in ‘Apocalypse Now.’”
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ShaunPriest said:
Nope! Notice how Kate is not one of the "numbers".

Sayid can probably be scored of the list too. That leaves 4 possibilities.
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true, it's not one of the numbers, but all the names at the lighthouse where, at some points, candidates, and austen's is not crossed out there yet.
i think it's either her or Ilana counts jina and sun as two different ones (she stated there are still 6 left)
 
What's interesting is that based on Mile's information, Jacob's "Who are you?" comment to Ben seems to not have been a dismissal of Ben, but a real question. Who is he? Is he going to be the good guy trying to help the people around him or the self-serving, manipulating bad guy? Now, for the second time in his life, he's finally being accepted by someone/some group, and this time it's in the face of the wrong he's committed, not entering into a situation that enables him in his wrongdoing. This suggests potential for a deeper change in his character, but this is the guy who killed his own father and lied for days while being tortured about coming to the island in a balloon, so nearly all bets are off lol.
 
gibbz said:
The fact that Jack averted death with the dynamite indicates that there is something to that. Remember that Locke died off of the island.
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Also remember that Michael was prevented from dying off-Island. I think that Jacob / The Island's power extends into the real world.


mysterytramp said:
So Richard was on the Black Rock. And touching means you live forever? Then how do you explain Locke? And since he touched all six candidates, are they all going to live forever?
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The way I understood it, the touch doesn't neccesarily mean you live forever. Richard said Jacob's touch gave you a 'gift'. This could be eternal life, or something else entirely. Jacob's gift could very well be (for example) the clarity to realize that you have control over your own destiny.

gibbz said:
Interesting ... Ben had a chance in the sideways to "save" Alex and he did it. Then Llana says she will have him back even though he killed Jacob. He chose to follow her and rejoin the group, spiting Flocke in the process. Ben is now good?
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weldon said:
I think the two sides of Ben in this episode goes back to what Dogen said about how there is good and bad in each of us. Flocke upset the balance (and chucked the white rock from Jacob's balance). Sayid and Claire are off, but Ben and others can still right the balance.

I wonder if the message is more about balance than redemption.
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mysterytramp said:
But how does the flash-sideways line up with the Linus and his dad on the island? They were part of the evacuation? I'm really having a hard time figuring out how that timeline fits into the "real" Lost. Or, maybe I'm just real lost.
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Great question. The scene with him and his dad was very powerful to me, for a number of reasons. First, it was the first time one of the flash sideways characters mentioned the Island. We saw the Island in the first episode of the season, as a viewer, but the characters in the show have not brought it up at all. So we can now safely say that the incident did not sink the Island, or if it did, they had ample time to evacuate the Island, both the Dharma Initiative and the Others (as Ben was with the others at the time).

Second, Ben and his father go to the Island as a direct result of Ben's Mother dying in childbirth (Horace finds them, helps them, offers Roger a job). Ben's Mother's death also causes the great hatred between Ben and his Father, which, in the original timeline, ends with Ben killing his Dad. In this new timeline, however, they seem like they found a way to make up, and they seem to have a really nice relationship.

EDIT: The imagery of this scene is magnificent. In the original timeline, Ben killed his father with poisonous gas. In the parallel timeline, Ben is keeping his father alive with oxygen. This is a very subtle but powerful contrast.

This, in conjunction with Ben putting Alex in front of himself, shows that Ben is a good person in the sideways timeline. This is in direct contrast to his original timeline character. There is good and bad in everyone - one of the major themes of LOST.

EDIT: Another parallel - in this episode, in both timelines, (f)Locke tells Ben that he wants him to take the leadership position at their respective locations (the school / the Island). It is interesting how the events in the FST mirror those that happen in the OT, but the decisions the characters make are not neccesarily the same. You can bet that in the OT, Ben will indeed screw over whoever he needs to in order to get his Island leadership position back, which is in direct contrast to his actions in the FST.

P-Worm said:
I think the thing with Locke dying was that he was killed. In fact, I'm guessing that if he managed to try and commit suicide like he was trying to, it would have failed. I'm also reminded of Michael who tried to kill himself multiple times.
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I think it has something to do with free will. You can't kill yourself, but someone else can kill you if they decide to do so independently. Ben could kill Locke, even though Locke was a candidate, because Ben did so entirely out of his own free will. Michael couldn't kill himself because someone else has to do it.

Nieval said:
I think the conclusion of the characters in their sideways flash is the mirror of their fate on the Island (hence the producers stressing scenes where the characters stare at themselves in mirrors or as in Sayid's case blurry door glass[evil=not clear reflection]). For example, Sayid kills the mobsters, basically embracing his dark side and that is exactly parallel to what he does on the Island. If this logic were true, then the fact that Ben does a good thing and appears to be a good guy should mean that he'll do a good thing on the Island and confirm his good status.
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I think this is a very fair conclusion to draw. You can clearly see parallels between what happened on the Island in the original timeline, and what is happening in the parallel timeline. Before the most recent episode, I thought the message they were trying to send was 'you can't escape your destiny' - the same things that happened to the survivors on the Island would have happened regardless of if the plane crashed or not. However, Ben showed that free will has a direct impact on your destiny. Ben made certain decisions in one life that he did not make in the other. Ben's free will 'saved' Alex, whereas on the Island, it killed her. Your destiny is not set in stone.

lostfan916 said:
I'm really liking the "shout outs" to previous seasons, like how they had the music when Jack and co. arrived in the beach. Just like when they came back from being captured by the Others in season 3. Brings it full circle and I just still can't believe it's almost over.
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I actually called this out to the people I was watching with. I'm not sure if this was a shoutout, or if this is just the only way the producers know how to do a beach reunion scene :rolleyes:

EDIT: Oh my, did I kill the LOST thread?
 
barr08 said:
EDIT: Oh my, did I kill the LOST thread?
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Ha.... no. It wasn't you. It was the show.

All the speculation isn't doing much for me anymore.... I just want to see what ends up happening.

All I know is that The Pacific starts tonight, and I think that will be replacing Lost as my favorite show on TV (even though it's only a 10 part miniseries).
 
darklyt said:
*Twitch*

I was thinking, since Flocke couldn't kill Jacob, does that leave open the possibility that they are the same person or two sides of the same person?
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Interesting idea, but wouldn't Flocke die when Linus stabbed Jacob?

I'm wondering whether the island isn't Eden, Jacob and Flocke are Adam and Eve (metaphorically of course) and each represents a side of human history, free will versus predestination.

Assuming the winning "candidate" is going to be one of the six:

4. John Locke
8. Hugo Reyes
15. Sawyer (Ford)
16. Sayid (Jarrah)
23. Jack Shephard
42. Kwon (Sun or Jin)

We can rule out Locke because he's dead (we assume). Sayid looks too far gone. Jack would be an odd choice simply because the often-stated tidbit that the producers were going to kill him off in the first episode. I'm ruling out Kwon because they're separated from their child and it seems like the job might separate them from each other; way too much of a downer of an ending.

That leaves Hurley or Sawyer. Sawyer appears to be part of Team Locke, though he seemed absent from the attack on the Temple. I could stand living in a universe where Hurley was in charge.

I'm going to go with Sawyer, with an ending that represents some kind of redemption for him. He's had probably the hardest life of the six, and I could foresee a dramatically satisfying conclusion with him left to care for the island.

mt
 
mysterytramp said:
Interesting idea, but wouldn't Flocke die when Linus stabbed Jacob?
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That's true, although if it were two sides of a higher being then it might just be that one side is simply taking over complete power of the situation (something along the lines of multiple personalities). I don't know, it just seems that the "can't commit suicide" concept opens up possibilities that entangle Flock and Jacob more tightly than we first thought.
 
I'm not very excited about tonights episode. It looked kind of boring from the previews. We'll see, I suppose.

darklyt said:
That's true, although if it were two sides of a higher being then it might just be that one side is simply taking over complete power of the situation (something along the lines of multiple personalities). I don't know, it just seems that the "can't commit suicide" concept opens up possibilities that entangle Flock and Jacob more tightly than we first thought.
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Well, remember, it isn't just Jacob/MiB that can't kill themselves, it's practically everyone - all the candidates, Richard Alpert, etc.

Something interesting to note about this is that when Widmore asked Ben 'are you here to kill me?', Ben replies 'you know I can't do that'. Now, we are relatively sure that at this point, Ben and Charles are not candidates. It seems to be all about having a purpose for the Island. If you have to do something that you haven't done yet, the Island won't let you die.
 
barr08 said:
Something interesting to note about this is that when Widmore asked Ben 'are you here to kill me?', Ben replies 'you know I can't do that'. Now, we are relatively sure that at this point, Ben and Charles are not candidates. It seems to be all about having a purpose for the Island. If you have to do something that you haven't done yet, the Island won't let you die.
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Forgot about that, that' interesting. Widmore was the leader of the Others at one time so maybe being the leader has some type of effect.
 
lostfan916 said:
Forgot about that, that' interesting. Widmore was the leader of the Others at one time so maybe being the leader has some type of effect.
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I think being the leader of the others has a lot of intangible power. It's possible that the only person that could have killed Jacob was the leader of the others, which is why Flocke had to convince Ben to do it. I think being the leader comes with more...conditions...as well, which is why it will be interesting to see if Ben actually takes over as the leader as Flocke recommended last episode.

Edit: Word on the street is that LOST is 8 minutes longer than normal today!
 
mysterytramp said:
I'm going to go with Sawyer, with an ending that represents some kind of redemption for him. He's had probably the hardest life of the six, and I could foresee a dramatically satisfying conclusion with him left to care for the island.

mt
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Ive been feeling like sawyer would be the one who saves them all this whole season... he agreed to go with locke but only after hearing richards warning and he KNOWS that it is not locke... he does not seem to have the darkness in him and I think he will reconcile his differences and work with jack at the end to save everyone.. maybe protecting hurley or kate will be what pushes sawyer and jack to work together.
 
Forgive me for sounding stupid - I haven't been able to pay attention this season. Is it possible that white and black were each looking for candidates? Like the 6 were Jacobs but some of the others were MiBs, like Kate?

I don't really understand why Jacob touched Kate, brought her to the island, etc yet she isn't one of the six 'numbered' candidates. What's the difference? Bad writing?
 
decksnap said:
Forgive me for sounding stupid - I haven't been able to pay attention this season. Is it possible that white and black were each looking for candidates? Like the 6 were Jacobs but some of the others were MiBs, like Kate?
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We are lead to believe that the final 6 candidates are going for Jacob's job. If I remember correctly, both he and MiB say this on the show.

However, I do think that the MiB is also looking for his replacement. I think it is possible that the final 6 are actually 'trying out' for MiB's job, not Jacob's (classic LOST misdirection).

decksnap said:
I don't really understand why Jacob touched Kate, brought her to the island, etc yet she isn't one of the six 'numbered' candidates. What's the difference? Bad writing?
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I believe that he touched everyone who came to the Island. I believe that at some point, every number/name on the cave/lighthouse was a candidate, and they have slowly been whittled down throughout the years. Now there are 6 left.
 
The more I'm reading the more I'm finding out that we don't really know who the 6 candidates are. Maybe kate is one of them; maybe she isn't. I don't think there is a definitive answer.
 
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