Lost TV show (Season 6) -- includes spoilers on show nights

[gibbz]

I'm not convinced

Me either.

I just deleted the episode off my DVR but I believe Jacob said someone bad was coming to the temple, which I guess means Flocke/Smokey.

Yeah, but in that same episode Jacob told Hurley he had to go to the lighthouse with Jack because someone was trying to get to the island. When Hurley tells Jacob that Jack broke the mirrors, Jacob says that he guesses they will find another way. Looks like that was Widmore.

So Richard was on the Black Rock. And touching means you live forever? Then how do you explain Locke? And since he touched all six candidates, are they all going to live forever?

Hmmm, I am wondering about there being 6 left. In the cave there was listed Jack, Sawyer, Hurley, Kwon (we don't know who), Locke, and Sayid. However, Flocke then crosses out Locke's name.

The fact that Jack averted death with the dynamite indicates that there is something to that. Remember that Locke died off of the island.

And I'm wondering about Liana ... Jacob has told her that there are candidates to replace him, so she knows Jacob is going to die ... Has a real New Testament vibe now. Linus as Judas. The Six as The Twelve.

But how does the flash-sideways line up with the Linus and his dad on the island? They were part of the evacuation? I'm really having a hard time figuring out how that timeline fits into the "real" Lost. Or, maybe I'm just real lost.
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I think the timelines will merge at some point. I'm not sure though. The "sideways" is real interesting though.

 

[P-Worm]

I think the thing with Locke dying was that he was killed. In fact, I'm guessing that if he managed to try and commit suicide like he was trying to, it would have failed. I'm also reminded of Michael who tried to kill himself multiple times.

P-Worm

 

[gibbz]

I think the thing with Locke dying was that he was killed. In fact, I'm guessing that if he managed to try and commit suicide like he was trying to, it would have failed. I'm also reminded of Michael who tried to kill himself multiple times.

P-Worm

Ahhh yes. Good call. I think you are spot on here. Just like Richard saying he couldn't kill himself.

 

[NathanCH]

One of my favourite episodes in awhile. Another very memorable scene that ranks up there among my all time favourites.

"...because he's the only one that will have me."
"I'll have you"

 

[0098386]

The fact that Jack averted death with the dynamite indicates that there is something to that. Remember that Locke died off of the island.

I'm sure there was a scene from season 4 where someone off the island tried to kill themselves, someone else showed up and said "the island wont let you".

Ben has killed Jacob and one candidate. I don't think this episode redeems him, I think he still wants his power.

What I don't get is why in the school bit, why didn't Ben wait until Alex got her letter of recommendation or why didn't Ben just take the job and then write her recommendation (would a letter from principal and doctor have more effect than just from a principal)?

Excellent ending though! Wonder what their plan is? Nuke the island, biological weapon? Widmore wants on but he doesn't want any resistance.

 

[lighthouse_man]

What I don't get is why in the school bit, why didn't Ben wait until Alex got her letter of recommendation or why didn't Ben just take the job and then write her recommendation (would a letter from principal and doctor have more effect than just from a principal)?

Excellent ending though! Wonder what their plan is? Nuke the island, biological weapon? Widmore wants on but he doesn't want any resistance.

Alex stated that the letter would mean something from the principal because he's the only one that graduated from the same university she's applying to.
But I also wonder, and I blame lazy writing at this specific point, what would stop Ben from pursuing to destroy the principal now that Alex got the letter? It's not that he only had one copy of the emails. It's not either that emails have any legal value anyway but I don't think it's the reason, he can still accomplish his plan? Or is he a man of his word now?

On the other hand, I think Widmore works for Jacob.

 

[Nieval]

If you notice, Ben does "convince" the principle to bring back the history club and get someone else to cover detention after Alex gets her letter of recommendation. To me, that's the writers acknowledging that Ben still has leverage but he himself deciding to no longer use it. That really surprised me because it seemed like he really did give it all up to help Alex, you know, just pure good intentioned with no twist of evil. Needless to say very unBen-like. To me it sold the whole redemption plot and really hit home that he's decided to change.

Also, and I don't know how many people noticed this, but in giving up his parking space there's an element of sacrifice in Ben's sideways flash which makes me think that he'll do the same in the Island timeline esp. since he's searching for redemption; add that to the fact that he made the decision to not join Flocke and you have yourself a very valuable character who could, down the line, give Jack a very useful hand (I mean just look at the scene in the end between Jack and Ben, it's a hint).

 

[Shaun.P]

Maybe Ben was a descent guy afterall and is merely a "victim" of living on the island.

 

[weldon]

I think the two sides of Ben in this episode goes back to what Dogen said about how there is good and bad in each of us. Flocke upset the balance (and chucked the white rock from Jacob's balance). Sayid and Claire are off, but Ben and others can still right the balance.

I wonder if the message is more about balance than redemption.

 

[lighthouse_man]

If you notice, Ben does "convince" the principle to bring back the history club and get someone else to cover detention after Alex gets her letter of recommendation. To me, that's the writers acknowledging that Ben still has leverage but he himself deciding to no longer use it. That really surprised me because it seemed like he really did give it all up to help Alex, you know, just pure good intentioned with no twist of evil. Needless to say very unBen-like. To me it sold the whole redemption plot and really hit home that he's decided to change.

Yes, he has an upper hand, but it doesn't seem to fulfill any of his aspirations, it's bigger than a history club. He's single (probably asexual in both realities), he takes care of his sick father and he's not respected by his superiors. He's too much of a saint.
If he was set to take over the school for his personal interests, then I'd understand his decision to let go, but this saint figure does know that the current principal is not really the best for the job of taking care of the students and it's his duty still to change that himself, otherwise, he's just too much of a fear ridden loser.

 

[0098386]

Maybe Ben was a descent guy afterall and is merely a "victim" of living on the island.

The only difference between the 2 is that one was spoilt by power and the other, having so little of it, relished the fragments of power he did have.

So where was the sideways cut off? Ben went to the island as a kid, so Alpert, Hanso and Widmore must still be around.

 

[Nieval]

I think the conclusion of the characters in their sideways flash is the mirror of their fate on the Island (hence the producers stressing scenes where the characters stare at themselves in mirrors or as in Sayid's case blurry door glass[evil=not clear reflection]). For example, Sayid kills the mobsters, basically embracing his dark side and that is exactly parallel to what he does on the Island. If this logic were true, then the fact that Ben does a good thing and appears to be a good guy should mean that he'll do a good thing on the Island and confirm his good status.

 

[Peace]

So richard alpert was in chains when the black rock arrived on the island. The first thing Richard did when they went inside was grab the chains and look at them. This reminds me of when FLocke said to him "good to see you out of your chains". And now Alpert says Jacob is bad but at the same time says FLocke wants to kill everyone.

Which one is good/bad or are they both good/bad ?

 

[mstrze]

We still need to realize that Jacob doesn't necessarily=GOOD and Flock/MIB does not necessarily mean EVIL.

 

[decksnap]

This definitely answers the question of why Ben stopped Locke from killing himself, only to go ahead and kill him. It kind of clears up more of the is he good/is he bad stuff by explaining that.

 

[0098386]

We still need to realize that Jacob doesn't necessarily=GOOD and Flock/MIB does not necessarily mean EVIL.

I think there will be a crystal clear outcome of who was bad and who was good. I'm rewatching series 1 and there's such a heavy emphasis on good/bad black/white. It does carry over to the rest of the show. I think it's going to be a rollercoaster ride of who is good, who is bad etc, but by the end we'll have a good idea.
I bet it ends on the 2 bodies (Adam and Eve) they found in the caves or at least clarifying who they are.

 

[Peace]

Ilana said there were six candidates left.

Jack
Hurley
Kate?
Richard Alpert
Jin's wife?
Ben?

Maybe that's why she decided not to kill Ben. she saw his remorse over killing Jacob and realized he was a candidate.

Or it could be because Ben said FLocke was the only one that would have him. Meaning FLocke knew Ben couldn't die. So that makes him a candidate. Which would also explain why FLocke didn't kill Kate.

Which also implies only a candidate can kill Jacob or FLocke.

Now we have Widmore coming to the island in a submarine.

 

[lostfan916]

I'm really liking the "shout outs" to previous seasons, like how they had the music when Jack and co. arrived in the beach. Just like when they came back from being captured by the Others in season 3. Brings it full circle and I just still can't believe it's almost over.

 

[mstrze]

I'm really liking the "shout outs" to previous seasons...

Yea...and Nikki and Paolo's diamonds!

 

[pilotError]

Ilana said there were six candidates left.

Jack
Hurley
Kate?
Richard Alpert
Jin's wife?
Ben?

Maybe that's why she decided not to kill Ben. she saw his remorse over killing Jacob and realized he was a candidate.

Or it could be because Ben said FLocke was the only one that would have him. Meaning FLocke knew Ben couldn't die. So that makes him a candidate. Which would also explain why FLocke didn't kill Kate.

Which also implies only a candidate can kill Jacob or FLocke.

Now we have Widmore coming to the island in a submarine.

Or... She's going to use Ben to kill Flocke.

 

[Gav2k]

The six are

jack (main contender)
soyer
Kate
Jin
sun
hurly

 

[0098386]

The name on the cave ceiling just said Kwon, so it's just one (or both as one) of them.

 

[Raid]

The six are

jack (main contender)
soyer
Kate
Jin
sun
hurly

I don't recall Kate's name being on the cave... did I miss that?

 

[rdowns]

My guess. The 6 under consideration are:

Jack
Sawyer
Sun or Jin
Ben
Hurley
Sayid

 

[TSX]

Ben has always been somewhat the "leader" of the island, even before the plane crashed, so why not just give it to him in the first place instead of choosing candidates?