Lost TV show (Season 6) -- includes spoilers on show nights

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And of course with Sun and Jin trying desperately to get back together again.

Maybe that's the redemption. Most of the passengers on the original flight were there because of bad reasons; Kate was imprisoned, Jack was bringing his father home, Rose/Bernard were after a cure, Locke was told he couldn't go on his walkabout. But now they're building up love to be a saviour.
Or so it seems.

 

[techfreak85]

So, help me understand: When we had the flash sideways, was that Desmond actually floating back and fourth, or was that just us watching this alternate timeline?

 

[Bostonaholic]

So, help me understand: When we had the flash sideways, was that Desmond actually floating back and fourth, or was that just us watching this alternate timeline?

That is something that has always been a mystery. Ever since the beginning, in the character flashbacks, there were parallels between the flashback and whatever it was that was going on with that character on the island. I can't think of a specific example, but I remember several flash backs that almost seemed as if the Lostie was remembering the flashback as opposed to using the flashback just to show the viewers.

I had collected a lot of information from last night and several new theories before bed, but I'm home sick today. I'll try to gather my thoughts and post a bit later.

 

[barr08]

So, help me understand: When we had the flash sideways, was that Desmond actually floating back and fourth, or was that just us watching this alternate timeline?

In the episode 'The Constant', it is my belief that Desmond is traveling back and forth between the alternate realities, as opposed to having a flashback, like they implied (at this point in the series, flashbacks were the norm). When Desmond goes back and sees Penny, and she is hesitant to let him in, I believe this is the first appearance of the Flash Sideways timeline. I think him meeting Penny in the FST will end poorly, and he won't see her again until that scene happens in real time (he goes to her apartment, gets her phone number, etc.)

In 'The Constant', Desmond is getting the time sickness from traveling in between the Island and the freighter, and he is switching back and forth between realities. The time sickness kills almost everyone who gets it - their brains can't handle jumping back and forth (see - the driver from last night in the original timeline, Eloise the rat), but the rules don't apply to Desmond, so he safely switches between timelines.

As someone hinted at before, Desmond's famous line 'see you in another life brother', has actually been foreshadowing this whole time. He is special, he can consciously exist in both realities, and now that he knows this, he has 'something' to show the rest of the survivors (in our real life, the plane crashed, etc.)

It's interesting to note how he acted after Widmore did the experiment on him. He agrees to do whatever Widmore wants, which makes enough sense, but then he immediately goes with Sayid, without any hesitation. Has he lost his free will? Or does he just realize now that the Island has a purpose for him, and he's letting it play out.

I LOVED all the imagery in this episode - the McCutcheons (sp) whiskey, the panting in Widmore's office, the Desmond/Charlie drowning scene, etc.

And, of course, it was GREAT to see Faraday again.

An interesting thought that hadn't crossed my mind until you guys brought it up - it does seem like the FST is like, the what-if timeline. A lot of the people get exactly what they've (probably) always wanted. Let's think of some examples -

Jack has a son, family
Locke has Helen and his father in his life
Kate is free
Claire keeps her baby
Charlie is a big time rockstar (not a one hit wonder)
Desmond has Widmore's approval
Faraday is a musician
Ben is close with his father and Alex
Dogen's son is not dead
Hurley is lucky

But they don't seem happy. It seems like a 'be careful what you wish for' type of thing.

 

[Bostonaholic]

...the Desmond/Charlie drowning scene...

I almost fainted at this part last night it was so momentous.

Ok, maybe not close to fainting, but you catch my drift.

 

[mstrze]

It's interesting to note how he acted after Widmore did the experiment on him. He agrees to do whatever Widmore wants, which makes enough sense, but then he immediately goes with Sayid, without any hesitation. Has he lost his free will? Or does he just realize now that the Island has a purpose for him, and he's letting it play out.

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Hurley is lucky

But they don't seem happy. It seems like a 'be careful what you wish for' type of thing.

I think it's the latter on the Sayid/Desmond thing...he knows that there is a reason for everything that is happening, so he lets it play out.

I was wondering though, why 'evil' Sayid just lets Zoe run away...heck, not 'let's her'...TELLS her to run away.

Hurley in the sideways timeline actually does seem quite happy. I can't think of an example where he demonstrates otherwise: Helping people out in times of need...very cordial and easygoing with everyone. He may indeed BE unhappy, but his appearance this season off-island would not lead one to believe that.

 

[pilotError]

I almost fainted at this part last night it was so momentous.

Ok, maybe not close to fainting, but you catch my drift.

When he opened his eyes and smiled as if to say "See, the island won't let me die!", blew my mind as well, especially the whole recreation with the hand on the window. Even Desmond was like WTF?

 

[Surely]

It's interesting to note how he acted after Widmore did the experiment on him. He agrees to do whatever Widmore wants, which makes enough sense, but then he immediately goes with Sayid, without any hesitation. Has he lost his free will? Or does he just realize now that the Island has a purpose for him, and he's letting it play out.

I also got the impression that Desmond thinks/knows that the island has a purpose for him, and just wants to let things play out.

However, John Locke was "special" too, and he thought the same thing, and look how he ended up......

 

[pilotError]

I also got the impression that Desmond thinks/knows that the island has a purpose for him, and just wants to let things play out.

However, John Locke was "special" too, and he thought the same thing, and look how he ended up......

He was acting the same way when the hatch blew up the first time. Like he had clarity of purpose.

 

[Doctor Q]

This was one of the best episodes of Lost. Period. It was just terrific, and the Lost producers are ending the series of high notes, while I feared that it would just be more cliff-hangers and under answered questions. While there are still many more questions to be answered, I think that they will answer them, and, in my opinion, will end the series well. However, I think they in some ways have a double-edged sword. While going on for so long is well done and builds up suspense, they now have to finish terrifically, or otherwise there are going to be a lot of angry fans. The ending really has to be something for everybody and I think it will be hard, almost impossible, to achieve that goal.

The best way for them to do this would be by revealing something (or multiple somethings) that explain a large number of puzzles, tie things together that we didn't realize were connected, and make us want to watch the whole series again, this time saying "See? It all makes sense!" now that we know "the secret".

Example: The first and second time someone watches the movie "The Sixth Sense". The first time you go along for the ride. The second time you understand and can appreciate how good the story was, now that you see it from another point of view. (In case you haven't seen that movie, I'll say no more and I recommend that you rent it.)

As Lost reaches the end, I want to be surprised by clues that we all missed, and that were there from the very beginning!
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[mysterytramp]

He was acting the same way when the hatch blew up the first time. Like he had clarity of purpose.

BTW, the last time Desmond survived a similar electromagnetic anomaly, he lost his clothes and he had premonitions on the future. Not sure why they left him clothed this time, but the premonitions might be why he followed Sayid. It's more than him knowing the island has a purpose for him; he knows what's going to happen.

mt

 

[Bostonaholic]

In the new timeline, Daniel is a pianist and has not been studying science & mathematics like in the initial timeline--we know this because a) he's playing alongside Drive Shaft at his birthday party and b) he explains to Desmond that he had written the quantum physics equation in his diary yet has never studied the subject.

If you remember back when Daniel was a child, he was playing the piano and Eloise came into the room and told him to stop fooling around with the piano, that he (paraphrased) "has a gift, and that gift is science and mathematics." So this means, in this new timeline, his mother did not pull him away from the piano and did not push him towards physics.

Why and for what reason has this changed? Is it because Eloise shot and killed Daniel early on in her life and before he died, she realized he was her son? So, when raising him as a child she remembered killing older him on the island, and knew that to prevent her from killing him when he travels back in time she needed to keep him from learning about time travel?

Confused yet?

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I think Daniel is Jack's son's piano teacher. Just throwing that out there.

 

[Nieval]

Isn't it suppose to be Jack's mother is Daniels piano teacher?

 

[mstrze]

In the new timeline, Daniel is a pianist and has not been studying science & mathematics like in the initial timeline--we know this because a) he's playing alongside Drive Shaft at his birthday party and b) he explains to Desmond that he had written the quantum physics equation in his diary yet has never studied the subject.

If you remember back when Daniel was a child, he was playing the piano and Eloise came into the room and told him to stop fooling around with the piano, that he (paraphrased) "has a gift, and that gift is science and mathematics." So this means, in this new timeline, his mother did not pull him away from the piano and did not push him towards physics.

Why and for what reason has this changed? Is it because Eloise shot and killed Daniel early on in her life and before he died, she realized he was her son? So, when raising him as a child she remembered killing older him on the island, and knew that to prevent her from killing him when he travels back in time she needed to keep him from learning about time travel?

Confused yet?

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I think Daniel is Jack's son's piano teacher. Just throwing that out there.

OR...since the island is no longer in existence they now have no reason to find it in this new timeline, therefore Eliose has no need for her son to study physics.

Just throwing THAT out there.

 

[themoonisdown09]

What if the main timeline that we've pretty much been watching for 6 seasons is all of the character's past life. The "sideways" timeline is them reincarnated.

 

[mkrishnan]

BTW, the last time Desmond survived a similar electromagnetic anomaly, he lost his clothes and he had premonitions on the future. Not sure why they left him clothed this time, but the premonitions might be why he followed Sayid. It's more than him knowing the island has a purpose for him; he knows what's going to happen.

Too bad, really, the naked Scotsman gag never really grows tiresome.

I really enjoyed the episode... this season is great.

 

[Bostonaholic]

OR...since the island is no longer in existence they now have no reason to find it in this new timeline, therefore Eliose has no need for her son to study physics.

Just throwing THAT out there.

Ah, that is likely as well, considering that the island is under water... i.e. non-existent.

 

[Peace]

In the last episode. The flash sideways. Can someone explain to me how Charlie can be under water in a car sitting there and talking while water gushes in his lungs and still be alive?


I still think they are all dead.

 

[mstrze]

In the last episode. The flash sideways. Can someone explain to me how Charlie can be under water in a car sitting there and talking while water gushes in his lungs and still be alive?


I still think they are all dead.

When was he talking underwater?

 

[themoonisdown09]

In the last episode. The flash sideways. Can someone explain to me how Charlie can be under water in a car sitting there and talking while water gushes in his lungs and still be alive?

I don't remember him talking under water. I just remember him opening his eyes and turning towards Desmond. He might have opened his mouth to scream or something, but that doesn't mean he was talking.

 

[Peace]

When was he talking underwater?

Ok I watched that part again. While he wasn't talking. He was sitting there smiling at Desmond and held his hand up to the window like he did before. Desmond had to go up once for air then go back under water to get him and Charlie just sat like he knew he wasn't going to "die".

 

[barr08]

Ok I watched that part again. While he wasn't talking. He was sitting there smiling at Desmond and held his hand up to the window like he did before. Desmond had to go up once for air then go back under water to get him and Charlie just sat like he knew he wasn't going to "die".

I think Charlie knows that they don't belong in that timeline, so death is something that he welcomes. It would explain why he didn't try to save himself when he was awake under water.

 

[mkrishnan]

I think Charlie knows that they don't belong in that timeline, so death is something that he welcomes. It would explain why he didn't try to save himself when he was awake under water.

It could be, maybe, that he's obsessed with the near-death experience? He doesn't seem to want to find the person he loves, in the way that Desmond goes off immediately to find Penny. Or, I guess, perhaps, that the "way things were supposed to be" is that Charlie is supposed to be dead, and he accepts that... I'm curious how the final way things work out will incorporate the people who are at least "dead" in the main timeline on the island (Charlie, Alex, I guess Sayid, Locke, maybe even Claire is considered "dead" / evil?). These people are all part of the sideways alternate reality for a reason....

 

[mstrze]

Ok I watched that part again. While he wasn't talking. He was sitting there smiling at Desmond and held his hand up to the window like he did before. Desmond had to go up once for air then go back under water to get him and Charlie just sat like he knew he wasn't going to "die".

Charlie was sitting there underwater because he wanted to die, not because he knew that he couldn't die. He did nothing to save himself. He said it the minute Jack saved him on the plane...paraphrasing "I'm not supposed to be alive". Desmond was moving around violently swiiming around, using up more oxygen so yes indeed, he needed to swim up for air during this process. Charlie, just sat there...waiting for death. I don't believe he knows or even thinks that he can't die. He does know that close to the point of death, one can see that alternate life though...and this is what he was trying to show Des.

 

[Bostonaholic]

...He does know that close to the point of death, one can see that alternate life though...and this is what he was trying to show Des.

You're thinking along the same lines as I. I believe that in a near death experience, one lives on the island, but in real time only lasts for that split second before death or coming back to life. So, Charlie choked on the bag of heroin and in that instant, he experienced everything from the island.

So during the turbulence, everyone had a similar near death experience and that's what we're watching on the island. When someone "dies" on the island, it means they either lived or died from that near death experience.