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so i guess widmore is the bad guy....
It looks like the smoke monster disguised as locke is a good guy. If what he said to jack about disguising as his father in the first season to help him find water then he is good...very cool episode. Everyone was reunited together for first time since what? season 5? damn!
 
Good episode. So Desmond probably did run over Locke so Jack could operate on him. I bet he makes him walk too.

Odd thing. At the end when Jack came on shore FLocke asked him if they took his boat. Jack said yes. Then when the rest of the losties are coming on shore on Hydra island it's the same scene as when they left the island. The boat is in the same place with the little land sticking out.

And.. Is that Desmonds boat ? Also I don't think Sayid killed Desmond.

Now we wait two weeks. :eek:
 
so i guess widmore is the bad guy....
It looks like the smoke monster disguised as locke is a good guy. If what he said to jack about disguising as his father in the first season to help him find water then he is good...very cool episode. Everyone was reunited together for first time since what? season 5? damn!

I don't agree with that.

Just because FLocke said that to Jack doesn't make it true.
 
Odd thing. At the end when Jack came on shore FLocke asked him if they took his boat. Jack said yes. Then when the rest of the losties are coming on shore on Hydra island it's the same scene as when they left the island. The boat is in the same place with the little land sticking out.

I noticed this, too. It's like they barely moved the cameras. I wonder if that's a sign they're rushing to meet schedules.

BTW, did they ever get around to Christian Shephard's will in the "normal" timeline? I'm betting the guy still has a few secrets up his sleeve.

mt
 
I can't wait to find out who Jack's ex-wife is. I think she is fairly important to the plot or else they wouldn't be keeping her a secret for so long. They teased us with her again last night. :D

And I don't think Des hit Locke to have Jack operate on him. Operating on Locke and making him walk in no way will make Jack realize his island self. I still contend that he wanted Locke to view his island through the trauma of the accident. Having Jack operate on him is simply a happy coincidence and perhaps one which will lead to Jack and Locke sharing info and both coming to terms with their on-island persons...but to think that Desmond knew for certain that Jack would be the one to operate and this would somehow lead to his realization of the island is a stretch.

I think Des will work on Jack in another way.
 
No comments about Sun recognizing Locke on the way into the hospital?

Sun now realizes Jin really loves her as they are reunited both on the island and off. A tender moment with Jin holding her hand while he fell asleep in the chair ;)

Something that Hurley said about bringing people back from the dark side last night. You gotta love Hurley and the Star Wars references - 2nd time we've heard him refer to it in the past few weeks. Sawyer was like WTF are you talking about! LOL But we see a change in Claire and I'm pretty sure Desmond got to Sayid.

It's almost like there are 3 camps again, the Losties, the Others and the Natives. We've come full circle... They come, they get corrupted, they die!

I get the feeling some of the main characters are going to start dying. I think Widmore has a plan that doesn't include the Losties.

Did you notice Locke's face light up when he saw Sun? She also couldn't speak to him (She is the only one capable of killing him now?), but was fine when she saw Jin. I get the feeling those two are destined to never be together. Against all hopes otherwise... I get the feeling we know who the last candidate is now.
 
Did you notice Locke's face light up when he saw Sun? She also couldn't speak to him (She is the only one capable of killing him now?)

I thought in order to kill the MiB you must kill him before he gets the chance to talk to you - not the other way around.

Against all hopes otherwise... I get the feeling we know who the last candidate is now.

Who?
 
so i guess widmore is the bad guy....
It looks like the smoke monster disguised as locke is a good guy. If what he said to jack about disguising as his father in the first season to help him find water then he is good...very cool episode. Everyone was reunited together for first time since what? season 5? damn!

Why do you think Locke is the good guy?? He helped Jack find water, because he needs him to get off the island. He also killed all those people. Obviously he's bad. Widmore: possibly good, but I'm not sure.

I think one of the things they have been hinting at throughout the series is that, even though most people perceive things as only good or evil (black or white), free will gives humans the unique opportunity to act on both sides.

Think about Sayid - throughout the show, his character has been with the good guys (815 survivors, O6, etc.), but we know that he has a past that consists of many evil deeds. Once he gets off the Island with the O6, he starts working with Habitat for Humanity to build houses for the homeless - one of the most selfless occupations the writers could possibly come up with. Sayid, like the other characters, is given a series of choices, and make decisions based on his own free will - some of these decisions are black, some are white. There is no absolute good or evil.

Other Examples:
Jack is a good guy, perhaps the good guy, but he is responsible for a number of deathsm and his decisions have often led to great suffering.
Kate is a good guy in the show, she is helpful, smart, and kind-natured (delivering Claire's baby). But she murdered her father in cold blood.
Sawyer is a con man and a murderer, but it is arguably his actions that have kept the survivors alive time and time-again (integrating with the DI, planning to leave on the sub).
Michael saved his son from the Island, but had to kill two people in the process. Since then, he bought some time on the Freighter so that other people could leave safely (Dying in the process), and he has guided Hurley after death to make sure MiB doesn't take advantage of the survivors.

This leads us to the Island. The Island has been around for so long because it is impossible to prove if humanity is good or evil, because it is neither - it's a shade of grey. Since human actions are really what drive the events on the Island, the constant back and forth of good and evil keeps things at a standstill...until Jacob died.

So we can't really discuss (with any certainty) who is good and who is evil. We have seen so many characters act on both sides. The FST complicates this further - take a character like Ben who is mostly evil on the Island, but seems totally good in the FST. He is the same person, but his decisions, as a free-willed human, have dictated his path in two totally different ways.
 
I noticed this, too. It's like they barely moved the cameras. I wonder if that's a sign they're rushing to meet schedules.

BTW, did they ever get around to Christian Shephard's will in the "normal" timeline? I'm betting the guy still has a few secrets up his sleeve.

mt


Wouldn't surprise me if we found out Jack's mother was a little crazy.

And as a side note. "You know the rules. You can't kill him". Isn't that something a very motivated neuro-surgeon would think ?

I'm guessing Jack is THE candidate. For whom is still up for debate. If the white/black ( Jacob and the MIB ) stones represent ying and yang someone has to replace Flocke if he left the island.
 
I can't wait to find out who Jack's ex-wife is. I think she is fairly important to the plot or else they wouldn't be keeping her a secret for so long. They teased us with her again last night. :D

We've seen Jack's ex-wife before, several times. She's not a secret. It's the blond actress who now plays the Mom on Modern Family. Great show, btw.:D
 
We've seen Jack's ex-wife before, several times. She's not a secret. It's the blond actress who now plays the Mom on Modern Family. Great show, btw.:D

Not necessarily. That was his wife in the original timeline (before the island), we don't know if that changed.

I agree with the others, there's something they're not telling us about his ex-wife and it's on purpose.
 
We've seen Jack's ex-wife before, several times. She's not a secret. It's the blond actress who now plays the Mom on Modern Family. Great show, btw.:D

NO...off-island he has a 13-14yo son...the actress you mention in the 'current'/island timeline met him perhaps 7-10 years ago. He operated on her and gave her back the ability to dance...etc.

(EDIT: They met in 2001 and were married shortly thereafter...already divorced by the time of the crash in Sept. 2004. Current island time is 2007...off-island time is Fall 2004...right after the time of the original crash.)

The off-island timeline must be featuring a different person....and the fact that they are keeping her a secret means that it's probably someone we already know. Juliet perhaps?
 
NO...off-island he has a 13-14yo son...the actress you mention in the 'current'/island timeline met him perhaps 7-10 years ago. He operated on her and gave her back the ability to dance...etc.

The off-island timeline must be featuring a different person....and the fact that they are keeping her a secret means that it's probably someone we already know. Juliet perhaps?

I was thinking Juliet myself...
 
Ah, OK. Gotcha. I still think it's the same women, but you all do have a point.

Not denying he couldn't have married her in the interim I suppose, but for her to be David's mom is a stretch I think.

Plus for David's Mom to be the woman Jack married in in real life 2001/2 would be a letdown from the buildup they are giving it.
 
Brilliant!
Desmond really isn't dead. Just wonder if Sayid helped him out or not. I think it's a shame they didn't continue the hospital/off island bit. There's always the next episode but it just felt unfinished.
 
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