Boone said on the plane that he went to save a relationship but she didn't want saving. So she wasn't on the plane. I am very interested in the Richard in chains comment. Was he on the black rock? Jacobs chains servant? Egypt slave theory reference because of the statue?
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Lost TV show (Season 6) -- includes spoilers on show nights
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Excellent show. The smoke monster wants to go home too.
The smoke monster took over Locks body.Jacob's nemesis on the island. Whats his name ? Maybe it's Richard because he doesn't age.
Anyway they are both aliens.
Question to me is which group is flashing forward or backward ? The group on the island or the group that landed at LAX.
The smoke monster took over Locks body.Jacob's nemesis on the island. Whats his name ? Maybe it's Richard because he doesn't age.
Anyway they are both aliens.
Question to me is which group is flashing forward or backward ? The group on the island or the group that landed at LAX.
That's something I seriously hate about living on the west coast. The East coast gets shows 3 hours earlier and gets live shows LIVE. You'd think, considering that half the live stuff (like American Idol, awards shows, etc.) are filmed in SoCal that we would get them live, but nope, tape delays every freakin' time...
/rant
The Golden Globes were shown live here.
Okay, now I'm going to read the rest of the thread to see what everyone thought of the show...... I forgot how they leave you with way more questions than before, and they only answer a fraction of the ones you already had!
EDIT: After reading the rest of the thread, I see that most are as full of questions as I am. I don't think that Jacob took over Sayid, but it's a possibility.
I think I remember something about Richard being from the Blackrock, and that he was a slave or prisoner on the ship. But maybe I'm remembering incorrectly......
What's the deal with the under-water island from the beginning of the first episode? That animation was kind of lame, especially the shark. Did the camera jump over the shark? I can't remember.....
I hope that Jacob and the smoke monster aren't aliens....
Great premiere, but I think I need some time to digest all of my ideas about what is going on and what is next......
I agree with the commercials. We got 81 of 120 minutes without commercials for this premiere.
And to your not making sense part: It's an alternate timeline, one line were they didn't crash and one where they did. No flash forwards or backwards, only sideways this time and season.
Next week can't come soon enough, and now I finally see Lost on Wednesdays instead of Thursdays.
One more thing.... I also think that the alternate realities/timelines will eventually join back together or meet at some point.
I think that Locke will go to Jack for the consult, and Jack will figure out how to fix Locke.
I think that all of the LAX Oceanic 6 will start crossing paths and the deja vu that Jack experienced on the plane with Desmond will start happening more and more to them all. Perhaps they'll start having a feeling that something isn't right (again). Eventually, I think they'll end up having a need to fly back over the island (maybe they won't know why, but they'll 'know' it's right), and the alternate timelines will come together.
I think that Locke will go to Jack for the consult, and Jack will figure out how to fix Locke.
I think that all of the LAX Oceanic 6 will start crossing paths and the deja vu that Jack experienced on the plane with Desmond will start happening more and more to them all. Perhaps they'll start having a feeling that something isn't right (again). Eventually, I think they'll end up having a need to fly back over the island (maybe they won't know why, but they'll 'know' it's right), and the alternate timelines will come together.
Interesting, maybe Locke's legs in season one weren't fixed by the island, but by Jack. (I have no idea how that would work haha).
I'm not sure what you mean by that (I honestly cant remember season one!). How was the coffin on the plane in season 1 if he was going to australia to get it? He hadn't picked it up yet. (again, sorry if I'm making no sense. I think I need to rewatch season one)
The flight sequences are all taking place on the way back to Los Angeles, but in Season 1 the flight crashed on the way to Australia (not on the way back).
Some questions I got from the episode:
- Why is the island underwater in the alternate dimension?
- Why does hurly say he is so lucky in the alternate dimension (AD)?
- How did Juliet die? Why did the rest live?
- What was in Charlie's mouth when he was trying to kill himself?
- Who is this new tribe? And how have they been on the island this whole time and remained undiscovered?
- Why does Jin have a bunch of money in AD?
- What does Fake John lock mean when he tells richard he is free of the chains?
Questions Answered:
- Fake John Locke is Jacob's enemy (I think this was revealed at the end of season 5).
- Fake John Locke (Jacob's Enemy - name tbd) is the Smoke Monster.
- There is white ash (or brown) around Jacob's Cabin to protect him for his enemy.
- Jacob is actually a good guy... at least it appears that way.
Um...watch season 1 again. They were definitely going from Australia to LA.
And to answer some of your questions:
- Why is the island underwater in the alternate dimension?
A: Who knows? They sunk it with the bomb in the alternate reality?
- Why does hurly say he is so lucky in the alternate dimension (AD)?
A: Because the island is gone, the numbers don't exist and his luck has reversed. But this poses the question: how did he win the lottery without the numbers?
- How did Juliet die? Why did the rest live?
A: She fell in a well and sustained injuries. Had the bomb gone off when Jack threw it in, before she got sucked in, she probably would have been fine.
- What was in Charlie's mouth when he was trying to kill himself?
A: Heroin. He was an addict in season 1.
- Who is this new tribe? And how have they been on the island this whole time and remained undiscovered?
A: They're a faction of the Others. I'm going on a limb and guessing that the Others split off after Ben's coup in the 80s and half of them stayed in the Temple to protect its secrets (and was also guarded by the Smoke monster which I suppose is now free after Jacob is dead) and the other half took over the Dharma initiative to conduct their fertility experiments.
- Why does Jin have a bunch of money in AD?
A: He was doing shady business for his wife's father.
- What does Fake John lock mean when he tells richard he is free of the chains?
A: I guess we'll find out! I am guessing that Jacob forced Fack John/Smoke Monster to guard the temple and the island even though he wanted to go home. Richard could also have been forced to stay on the Island to protect it. Again, I'm just guessing.
The new tribe is the Others. Ben told all the others that the "temple" was the only safe place on the island, when the mercenaries showed up.
If Fake John Locke is the Smoke Monster, and the Smoke Monster is the individuals that others see (Like Jacks dad, Hurleys dead friends, The Horse Kate sees, etc...) Why did the Fake John Locke/Smoke Monster help the oceanic's?
If Fake John Locke is the Smoke Monster, and the Smoke Monster is the individuals that others see (Like Jacks dad, Hurleys dead friends, The Horse Kate sees, etc...) Why did the Fake John Locke/Smoke Monster help the oceanic's?
Well that was just brilliant. My skin has never tingled so much from a show, and thank Jacob for downloading it overnight... I don't think I could put up with adverts in such a show!
Although I did wonder why it took so long for them women to show up in the toilets considering how busy the airport looked.
I really don't know what to think. This is going to be a fantastic series.
Although I did wonder why it took so long for them women to show up in the toilets considering how busy the airport looked.
I really don't know what to think. This is going to be a fantastic series.
So is this Multiverse or Parallel timelines?
I wasn't wow'ed by the season premier, because we already guessed most of it. They messed with us using the whole plane continued to fly and ultimately land.
I'm glad they had the shark on the underwater flyby. Made my night
Now we know where the kids on the island went!
I wasn't wow'ed by the season premier, because we already guessed most of it. They messed with us using the whole plane continued to fly and ultimately land.
I'm glad they had the shark on the underwater flyby. Made my night
Now we know where the kids on the island went!
I'm not sure but atleast now we know why Smokezilla (yes I'm bringing it back) didn't kill Locke... that one time in the jungle... when they kinda had a staring contest...
Well, before this episode, I could've already guessed that Smoke Monster/Evil dude that was talking to Jacob was one person.
Maybe this really is a good triumphs over evil series now, except with a little more "magic"?
I think Jacob took over Sayid, and brought him back to life.
I also think that Jacob isn't exactly the nicest person, just appearing that way to everybody. In reality, he's probably the evil one, and the other person he was talking to is the good (deity?). That's why Jacob is holding Richard/the other guy hostage on the island, as he's stronger with his powers. Richard was a slave to Jacob, as was the other guy (From now on, I'll save myself the trouble and call him Bad Locke). Now, Bad Locke is trying to escape from the island, and now that Jacob is dead, there really isn't much standing in his way. But, as Richard was a "loyal" righthandman to Jacob, he must be killed. (I doubt he was actually on Jacob's side, but that he was forced to be, and it appeared to all of the other Jacob's Slaves that he was completely loyal to Jacob).
EDIT: Also, I think that now since Jack's dad isn't on the airplane, it can't crash on the island... (As well as other variables). But there's still that deja vu feeling with Locke and Jack.
I also think that there aren't multiple timelines, so to speak, but rather one constant one, just the people are in different times.
Maybe this really is a good triumphs over evil series now, except with a little more "magic"?
I think Jacob took over Sayid, and brought him back to life.
I also think that Jacob isn't exactly the nicest person, just appearing that way to everybody. In reality, he's probably the evil one, and the other person he was talking to is the good (deity?). That's why Jacob is holding Richard/the other guy hostage on the island, as he's stronger with his powers. Richard was a slave to Jacob, as was the other guy (From now on, I'll save myself the trouble and call him Bad Locke). Now, Bad Locke is trying to escape from the island, and now that Jacob is dead, there really isn't much standing in his way. But, as Richard was a "loyal" righthandman to Jacob, he must be killed. (I doubt he was actually on Jacob's side, but that he was forced to be, and it appeared to all of the other Jacob's Slaves that he was completely loyal to Jacob).
EDIT: Also, I think that now since Jack's dad isn't on the airplane, it can't crash on the island... (As well as other variables). But there's still that deja vu feeling with Locke and Jack.
I also think that there aren't multiple timelines, so to speak, but rather one constant one, just the people are in different times.
I saw the season premier last night but missed the first few minutes (I tuned in as they were showing the island underwater).
Even though I think the pacing of the show and the length of time between seasons is not helping the fan base, the show has a way of hooking you in.
So in this episode the "flash-sideways" and time travel had me confused. When I saw the crater I assumed it hadn't worked and that Sawyer, Jake, Kate and that group were still stuck in the 1970's, but then near the end of the show when the set the flare off at the temple, the crowd at the beach (presumably from 2009) saw the flare and implying meaning they are all in the same time line. But then what would cause the 2009 plane to crash, would John Locke still be dead...
<insert Austin Powers impersonation> Oh, no, I've gone cross-eyed!</insert Austin Powers impersonation>
Time and possibly colliding alternate reality issues aside
<insert Basil Exposition impersonation>I suggest you don't worry about those things and just enjoy yourself.</insert Basil Exposition impersonation>
(ok I'll stop that)
I really like how they are quietly answering a few questions. For example, did you notice that the smoke monster didn't attack the Other when standing in the circle of dust or salt? (it instead dropped a big rock to get the guy to jump out of the ring) I'm quite certain one of the first times we see the cabin, the camera also pans down to show a large circle of salt around the cabin too. So I think that Fake Locke had to get Ben to kill Jacob because Jacob knew how to protect himself from the smoke monster. The salt/dust was also immediately used when the others started to fortify the temple.
<edit> It appears that the lost wiki is calling the salt/dust "ash" ... as good as a definition as any other </edit>
Even though I think the pacing of the show and the length of time between seasons is not helping the fan base, the show has a way of hooking you in.
So in this episode the "flash-sideways" and time travel had me confused. When I saw the crater I assumed it hadn't worked and that Sawyer, Jake, Kate and that group were still stuck in the 1970's, but then near the end of the show when the set the flare off at the temple, the crowd at the beach (presumably from 2009) saw the flare and implying meaning they are all in the same time line. But then what would cause the 2009 plane to crash, would John Locke still be dead...
<insert Austin Powers impersonation> Oh, no, I've gone cross-eyed!</insert Austin Powers impersonation>
Time and possibly colliding alternate reality issues aside
<insert Basil Exposition impersonation>I suggest you don't worry about those things and just enjoy yourself.</insert Basil Exposition impersonation>
(ok I'll stop that)
I really like how they are quietly answering a few questions. For example, did you notice that the smoke monster didn't attack the Other when standing in the circle of dust or salt? (it instead dropped a big rock to get the guy to jump out of the ring) I'm quite certain one of the first times we see the cabin, the camera also pans down to show a large circle of salt around the cabin too. So I think that Fake Locke had to get Ben to kill Jacob because Jacob knew how to protect himself from the smoke monster. The salt/dust was also immediately used when the others started to fortify the temple.
<edit> It appears that the lost wiki is calling the salt/dust "ash" ... as good as a definition as any other </edit>
So the early theories about the island as purgatory may be true? It seems that the island is a place disconnected from time where the "man in black" and Jacob (in white) are in a constant struggle.
This may or may not be true, the reset may have happened when ben killed jacob. There was no way they could have known if the bomb was a dud or not, it was buried for a long time and I think even our own nation was having concerns about nuclear stockpiles being aged.
I hope so, I always liked the concept of that.
During the plane/airport moments I was thinking about how the characters had lost their gained skills and redemptions that happened on the island. Sawyer and Kate were back being the bad guys, Locke in a wheel chair (but still had his positive outlook from the island), Charlie hooked on drugs and wanting to die. They were fixed over time by the events on the island. Sounds like purgatory to me.
Recorded it last night and watched it this morning before work. Still reflecting on the episode and haven't checked out any of the recaps or theories at Lostpedia, etc.
It was interesting to see how events unfolded in the "parallel universe" where the plane doesn't crash. They very subtly showed us that things would not have turned out so great in this situation: Kate is still on the run; Rose presumably still has cancer; Locke is still crippled; Sun and Jin's marriage is not reconciled. I'm not completely sure what we're supposed to think about Desmond's appearance and then disappearance, other than the possibility that because Charlie didn't die, Desmond does.
It's kinda strange that even at this late stage of the game, they're introducing yet another set of characters (the "other others" at the temple).
Like fireshot91, I'm not convinced that Jacob is the "good guy". That whole aspect of the story line is still very fuzzy to me.
It was interesting to see how events unfolded in the "parallel universe" where the plane doesn't crash. They very subtly showed us that things would not have turned out so great in this situation: Kate is still on the run; Rose presumably still has cancer; Locke is still crippled; Sun and Jin's marriage is not reconciled. I'm not completely sure what we're supposed to think about Desmond's appearance and then disappearance, other than the possibility that because Charlie didn't die, Desmond does.
It's kinda strange that even at this late stage of the game, they're introducing yet another set of characters (the "other others" at the temple).
Like fireshot91, I'm not convinced that Jacob is the "good guy". That whole aspect of the story line is still very fuzzy to me.
I don't think this is anything important. Desmond and Jack had met before the Oceanic 815 flight (running at the stadium). There was the exact same sense of deja vu when they met at the hatch.
EDIT:
Does anybody know when the season pass downloads on iTunes will be available? I've never done one before, so I don't know how long it takes from air date to download availability. (EDIT2: Apparently it's the day after, cuz I just got the email.)
Im also not convinced that Jacob is the good guy. Why does he keep luring people to the island? Why does the smoke monster want off?
I think the most interesting thing is what the smoke monster meant when he was talking to richard about the chains.
I think the most interesting thing is what the smoke monster meant when he was talking to richard about the chains.
It seems to me we are no longer dealing with multiple timelines, but instead multiple dimensions. I mean after all isn't the first rule of time travel that if you change something in the past then you create a new alternate reality and universe. It's always been debated if the original timeline remains as a separate dimension or ceases to exist. Well, it looks like Lost is going with the multiple coexisting universe/dimension theory.
Anyway, I've decided Lost is nothing more than Alice in Wonderland and by that I mean one long strange trip.
Edit: As to all the questions about Bad Locke/Jacob's Nemesis/Smokezilla wanting to go home. Well, if you buy the God vs. Satan theme then going home would mean a return to Heaven from where he was cast down, i.e. given the boot. I don't know which theory, if any, I ascribe to for all of the symbolism and meaning of the show, but I wanted to point out that this fits if you tend toward that line of thinking.
Anyway, I've decided Lost is nothing more than Alice in Wonderland and by that I mean one long strange trip.
Edit: As to all the questions about Bad Locke/Jacob's Nemesis/Smokezilla wanting to go home. Well, if you buy the God vs. Satan theme then going home would mean a return to Heaven from where he was cast down, i.e. given the boot. I don't know which theory, if any, I ascribe to for all of the symbolism and meaning of the show, but I wanted to point out that this fits if you tend toward that line of thinking.
I don't know if I mentioned it before, but it seems whenever Good Locke/Ben went to go see Jacob in the cabin, it was really the Smoke Monster in there.
I mean, Jacob does live in the foot statue...
And when Locke went in there, "Jacob" said "Helppp meeee", meaning he had to somehow get out of the cabin. I think he was trapped in there because of the ash around the cabin. Then, whenever Ben wanted to call the smoke monster, he'd flip that switch in his house...
I mean, Jacob does live in the foot statue...
And when Locke went in there, "Jacob" said "Helppp meeee", meaning he had to somehow get out of the cabin. I think he was trapped in there because of the ash around the cabin. Then, whenever Ben wanted to call the smoke monster, he'd flip that switch in his house...