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Lost TV show (Season 6) -- includes spoilers on show nights
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Or...
It will answer the question of "What If"?
What if the plane didn't crash?
Does Jack fix Locke's legs
Does Charlie ultimately hook up with Claire?
Does Sayid get to live happily ever after with Nadia?
Let's see if destiny plays out in the timelines despite events changing.
As of now, I see two timelines or whatever you want to call them.
One where the island exists (they crashed) and one where it doesn't (the plane kept flying).
I missed many episodes in the middle seasons, so I am sure I am missing a lot of the history. However, my wife and I were glued to the TV all three hours last night and enjoyed every minute of it. 
Forgive me if this is sleep deprivation but -
Juliet and the others survived a nuclear blast.
There was no nuclear blast?
Juliet was buried under some things near the surface.
How isolated was the explosion/time shift. There was a fade to white which suggests a change in time, but the people on the beach didn't seem to react to it.
It won't be as simple as multiple timelines. Unfortunately.
Juliet and the others survived a nuclear blast.
There was no nuclear blast?
Juliet was buried under some things near the surface.
How isolated was the explosion/time shift. There was a fade to white which suggests a change in time, but the people on the beach didn't seem to react to it.
It won't be as simple as multiple timelines. Unfortunately
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I'm guessing that Jack's dad has something to do with... something! There was more than one person that saw him on the island. I don't think that Christian was just a hallucination to Jack. Locke saw him and he had never seen him before. Also, the fact that Christian's body didn't get put on the plane should mean something too.
What I want to know is how in the hell did Desmond end up on the plane in last nights episode? He was never on the plane in the first place, we've been made to believe that it was Desmond's failure to enter the numbers at the hatch that caused the plane crash in the first place Of course I don't buy that, but still Desmond wasn't on the plane and hadn't even been in Australia, he was sailing around the world and was brought to the island during a bad storm.
That's going to seriously bug me until I find out how they explain that.
SLC
That's going to seriously bug me until I find out how they explain that.
SLC
Miles claims Juliet said 'it worked', and if 'it' is Jack's plan of nuking the island, then it must have done something. Something changed in history, causing Desmond to be in Australia. Maybe the blast's timechanging effect affected Widmore, and therefore prevented Desmond from taking part in the race that got him to the island in the first place.
And exactly who are the new 'Others'? They did exist before the nuke messed things up, right? (Japanese guy from the Last Samurai is a boss btw)
I think it was put on the plane, but somehow vanished midflight perhaps?
The same with Desmond, we don't see him get off the plane.
If we assume that Hurley's luck has gone from bad to good maybe the same could apply to Desmond. Perhaps he never had to convince Widmore of his "worthiness", therefore never entered the sailing challenge, and got married to Penny. This got me thinking, was he wearing a ring on his left hand? When I re-watched the opening scenes I realized that they never show his left hand, how conveniently, except for a brief moment during which I think I caught a glimpse of a ring. Check it out and let me know..
Edit: Now that we're dealing with alternate timelines, maybe the real Desmond got married and alternate timeline Desmond somehow gets on the plane..
I obviously don't have an answer for everything but here's my take...
The primary mission of Jacob and his crew (the others) is to contain Mr. Evil/smokey/<insert your favorite name>. For the sake of this post, I'll refer to him as SM (i.e. smoke monster). Jacob is an "embodiment of goodness" 'kinda dude and the others? Well, they're just 'kinda dead and their afterlife is about reuniting with Jacob and helping him with his task of containing SM.
Just as Jacob is able to interact within the "real" world, my guess is that to some extent so is SM; but probably through someone other than himself as he's 'kinda stuck on that island. I'm guessing SM somehow gathered the Oceanic 6 on that plane so he could get them to the island and *use* them to help him get off of it and return to the "real" world. Remember how there was some weird magnetic event when the plane went down on the island? I'm thinking that somehow SM was able to breach his form of containment and brought the plane down.
Also, remember how Jacob said "they're coming" right after he was off'ed? Well, not *truly* off'ed but you know what I mean. Anyway, he was refering to the Oceanic 6 when he said "they." You see, the fact that SM was able to get to him and actually off him made it apparent that indeed the Oceanic 6 *were* coming to the island and would eventually release SM.
Feel free to be critical of my theory.
The primary mission of Jacob and his crew (the others) is to contain Mr. Evil/smokey/<insert your favorite name>. For the sake of this post, I'll refer to him as SM (i.e. smoke monster). Jacob is an "embodiment of goodness" 'kinda dude and the others? Well, they're just 'kinda dead and their afterlife is about reuniting with Jacob and helping him with his task of containing SM.
Just as Jacob is able to interact within the "real" world, my guess is that to some extent so is SM; but probably through someone other than himself as he's 'kinda stuck on that island. I'm guessing SM somehow gathered the Oceanic 6 on that plane so he could get them to the island and *use* them to help him get off of it and return to the "real" world. Remember how there was some weird magnetic event when the plane went down on the island? I'm thinking that somehow SM was able to breach his form of containment and brought the plane down.
Also, remember how Jacob said "they're coming" right after he was off'ed? Well, not *truly* off'ed but you know what I mean. Anyway, he was refering to the Oceanic 6 when he said "they." You see, the fact that SM was able to get to him and actually off him made it apparent that indeed the Oceanic 6 *were* coming to the island and would eventually release SM.
Feel free to be critical of my theory.
That freaked me out too.
I think a big question is when the flight is. Is it truly the original flight, just changed, back to the future style?
Did anyone else get the feeling (when they were all walking off the plane) that what is so great about being off the island? John is in a wheelchair...Kate is under arrest...Charlie is under arrest.... etc. Why are they longing to be off the island so bad?
Oh yeah....forgot to mention that the island is essentially the mythical Garden of Eden. Locke can walk again, Charlie is freed of his addiction, Kate is no longer a fugitive, Hurley loses weight.
Ok, maybe Hurley doesn't lose weight but whatever.
Ok, maybe Hurley doesn't lose weight but whatever.
Christians body is in the casket on the island next to the big foot. Remember in one scene there the others refer to the body as Locke. Yet at the same time Sun and the pilot refer to the body as "that person". They don't know it's Christian or Locke.
In the beginning Jacob and the man in black are talking while a schooner sails out to sea and Jacob asks the man in black " So you think you can find the link".
Inside the statue Jacob says to Locke "I see you found the link".
The link.
Charlie died under water 2 seasons ago ?
On the plane Jack saves Charlie and Charlie said " This wasn't supposed to happen".
Charlie knows about the whole thing. This is why they are in a parallel timeline. Had Charlie died on the plane things would have been normal.
Jacob and the man in black are in the past. Note the schooner going by. Flash forward to the future and the schooner might have been an airplane.
The schooner and the plane are metaphors for time travel.
I didn't interpret it that way. I think that they knew it was Locke's body.
They didn't say "link"; they said "loophole". The man in black was trying to find a loophole that would allow him to kill Jacob. I think that loophole is this: that the man in black can't kill Jacob himself, and that he can't force someone to kill him. The person who kills Jacob has to do it out of his own free will.
Ben killed Jacob out of his own free will. He killed him because he felt ignored by and unimportant to Jacob (because Jacob never really talked to him). Ben didn't really need that much convincing, especially since he thought that Jacob allowed his daughter to be killed.
The "schooner" is a ship, and it is understood that it is the Black Rock. It isn't sailing out to sea, it is coming to the island.
Jacob doesn't say anything about a "link," he talks about a "loop-hole." The MiB says "Do you have any idea how bad lyI want to kill you." and Jacob says, "yes." The MiB goes on to say, "One of these days, sooner or late, I'm going to find a loop-hole." Then, in the statue, the first think Jacob says to the MiB (now inside Locke) is "Well, you found your loop-hole."
I think these two exchanges both refer to the MiB wanting to kill Jacob. The loop-hole is that the MiB got Ben to do it for him.
EDIT: Dang it Surely...
Don't forget that Claire disappeared with Christian when he came to call on her.
Hurley mentioned that he lost weight in the first series (I think?) and Charlie had to fight to rid his addiction. It was only Locke who had any real "miracle".
I was waiting to see if anyone said this, or else I would have. This is what I think.
Consider that the SM inhabits others' bodies. Jacob doesn't, except now he does since his death (Sayid). So Christian's body was inhabited by SM. And Ben originally took Locke to the SM.
Ah, I see. So does this mean 2 endings because that would be lame. But if it doesn't mean 2 endings... how are they going to seiz one timeline while continueing the other?
haha i agree
to tell you the truth im done trying to theorize about this show. some of what i have predicted has come true but most of it hasnt. its too stressful haha. im just going to see where the show takes me.
Maybe there are already some theories out there, but the dialogue that really interests me is from the very beginning of the 5th season finale, and was played at the beginning of this premiere:
Man in Black: They come, they fight, they destroy, they corrupt; it always ends the same.
Jacob: It only ends once, and anything that happens before that is just progress.
Man in Black: They come, they fight, they destroy, they corrupt; it always ends the same.
Jacob: It only ends once, and anything that happens before that is just progress.