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Lost TV show (Season 6) -- includes spoilers on show nights
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. Collegehumor are awesome !Seriously though, someone make a video to answer all these questions
To answer the parenthetical question in a word: YES! That was the point. Juliet saying "it worked" was the same exact thing. She was having a flash of sorts to her limbo self meeting Sawyer. That's not "fluff" that's revealing little tidbits about what was to come. Why couldn't they just skip all of that stuff and go straight to the afterlife like you suggest? Jack specifically addresses this in the finale while talking to Desmond. He says there are no short cuts, that it all matters and it has to be done. The only way Jack could have had the proper understanding in the afterlife was to follow through in his duty on the island, not mater how futile it seemed at that point. It was the only way, and he knew it.
I re-watched the ending a couple of times last night and though I'm still a little conflicted, I'm almost certain based on what Christian says that the afterlife we see is not Jack's personal journey but rather the journey of the Lost collective.
True, the real world we saw - particularly the last few episodes that revolved around Jack - were about Jack's journey. The series ending particularly (following him staggering to his death only to end up at the same place the show began) was the bookend to Jack's biography.
However, Christian says they all made the place together. Desmond and Charlie set off a string of events that led to the church without any other influence. Eloise seemed fully aware of what was happening throughout, virtually independent of the Jack storyline. I think that whoever was in that church - Aaron included - was experiencing their afterlife state. Their only afterlife state. There's no "second room" for Aaron to be in as an adult, he's stuck as a baby in the afterlife. There's no similar everything-coming-together plot line for each of the other characters - this is their afterlife too, and if they happened to rally their post-life experience around Jack it wouldn't be much different than what they experienced on the island.
I'm still not in love with the finale as a whole, but I dislike it a little less in hindsight. I think the problem isn't so much that I didn't like what was presented to viewers on Sunday night, it's that I couldn't help but think of all the stuff that wasn't presented to us…
True, the real world we saw - particularly the last few episodes that revolved around Jack - were about Jack's journey. The series ending particularly (following him staggering to his death only to end up at the same place the show began) was the bookend to Jack's biography.
However, Christian says they all made the place together. Desmond and Charlie set off a string of events that led to the church without any other influence. Eloise seemed fully aware of what was happening throughout, virtually independent of the Jack storyline. I think that whoever was in that church - Aaron included - was experiencing their afterlife state. Their only afterlife state. There's no "second room" for Aaron to be in as an adult, he's stuck as a baby in the afterlife. There's no similar everything-coming-together plot line for each of the other characters - this is their afterlife too, and if they happened to rally their post-life experience around Jack it wouldn't be much different than what they experienced on the island.
I'm still not in love with the finale as a whole, but I dislike it a little less in hindsight. I think the problem isn't so much that I didn't like what was presented to viewers on Sunday night, it's that I couldn't help but think of all the stuff that wasn't presented to us…
Yes!
Walt is the biggest remaining question.
Shannon felt like island tail for Sayid, while Nadia was truly the one... glad someone else pointed that out.
Jack and Kate never felt right, nor did Sawyer and Juliet... all felt like making the best of their situations. But switch it around and perfect.
I don't hate the ending.. it feels like a summary to questions created at the last half of season 6, though.
Thanks for posting! This is what I'm talking about, and this is just a small portion of the questions left unanswered. I have several I can add to his list. Especially surrounding Eloise's and Desmond's conversation before him going to the island, and how she knew the future.
Your description is exactly what I mean by fluff. How it makes any sense to you how someone would flash to their afterlife, I don't know. That is just bad writing. In hindsight, I realize that the writers were just making it up as they went along. They threw a whole bunch of mysteries at us to get us to keep watching, then left most of them unanswered in favor of a fairytale afterlife ending that would only appease a few of the fans. There was no point to any of the mysteries except to get us to keep watching for years. Fluff at its best.
I do get it. You're missing the point. I've talked to plenty others who get it too, so I'm not sure why some of you are not understanding why people didn't like it.
I couldn't agree more.
The ending was nice but they could have been several episodes to follow if we didn't know it was the last episode.
Is it just me of did the last episode teach you something about life ?
Walt left the island in 2004 and presumably lived a life and died.
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Walt_Lloyd
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Walt_Lloyd
Jack used Desmond to make MIB/Fake Locke mortal and then with Kate's help killed him.
Jack saved the island, Hurley took over with Ben a his #2, and Sawyer, Kate, Claire, Miles, Lapidus, and Richard escaped in the plane while Jack died in the same spot he landed when 815 originally crashed.
Sometime later everyone died, meaning everyone who was able to escape the island without dying has now eventually died for some reason or another.
Most of the central characters meet up in purgatory/flash sideways world where they gather at a church to "cross over" to the aftelife together. Some are left out of this communal afterlife crossing because they are "not ready" or need some more time. Most notably, Ben falls into this category.
THE END
What's not to get???
^^^ Claire was on the plane too.
Explain it again..... but this time talk slower.......
My bad. Correction made with slower typing this time.
Jack used Desmond to make MIB/Fake Locke mortal and then with Kate's help killed him.
Jack saved the island, Hurley took over with Ben a his #2, and Sawyer, Kate, Claire, Miles, Lapidus, and Richard escaped in the plane while Jack died in the same spot he landed when 815 originally crashed.
Sometime later everyone died, meaning everyone who was able to escape the island without dying has now eventually died for some reason or another.
Most of the central characters meet up in purgatory/flash sideways world where they gather at a church to "cross over" to the aftelife together. Some are left out of this communal afterlife crossing because they are "not ready" or need some more time. Most notably, Ben falls into this category.
THE END
What's not to get???
Yes but we still don't know what the light was or what would of happened if the island was destroyed, does it really matter? would it have impacted the rest of the world? Also all the other questions in link posted above.
All I can say is that I followed the show since inception and it still hasn't answered anything except coming up with more questions, ending was **** and still didn't explain all the questions notably pointed out in the vid posted above!!
It's not that complicted. I mean, seriously, it's just like every other good vs. evil, faith vs. science, destiny vs. free will, redemption, interpersonal relationship struggle, reality vs. spirtuality, time tavel, sacrifice for the greater good, love triangle, save the world, what the heck a polar bear, corruption, survival, greed, individual vs. community, purgatory, salvation, quality of life, parental issues, finding a place to belong, moral relativity, justice must be served, metaphysical, transcendental, supernatural mystery, love will conquer all, and the dog makes it in the end story.
Really, nothing to see here folks, it's all been done before.
Really, nothing to see here folks, it's all been done before.
The light is :
"Life, death, rebirth; it's the source, the heart of the island."
What happens if it goes out :
"The Boy in Black says that it is beautiful, she agrees and tells them that a little bit of the same light that is in the cave is inside every man but that people always want more. Mother says that while the other people can't take the light, they might try and if the light goes out here it goes out everywhere."
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Across_the_Sea
Maybe you were both not paying attention to the poster's question. He asked what the light was.
Is "life, death, rebirth" really an answer? Because if it is, it leads to about a million other questions - something this show always does. It never explains anything outright, it just throws more cryptic puzzles at you so you'll stop thinking of your original question.
What does life, death, rebirth mean?
What's the difference between life and rebirth?
How can it be life and death both?
Did life and death not exist before the island?
How did the light get there?
If life and death and rebirth and truly what the light is and it goes out, so what?
Did the person that said it was life, death and rebirth (the "mother") really know herself? We already know she lied about other things, and was a murderer. Why trust her?
If she's right, how did she find out? Who told her the secrets that she passed on to Jacob?
Why can't you people defending the writing staff see that this show has never been good about answering questions, even when they try?
(And remember, these are all questions brought up from 3 episodes ago - we have years of these types of dead ends the viewers have been given...)
If so many people are confused, can you really blame the viewer? Have you ever seen so many questions asked after any other finale?
Hey! Don't shoot the messenger. I'm just quoting what Lostpedia says.
Nobody will ever have the answers to all the questions. Only speculation.
The End.
Nobody will ever have the answers to all the questions. Only speculation.
The End.
Dude, they never were going to answer those questions. Do you think anyone expected someone to face the camera and say, "Ok, the light is god. He lives on the island but the devil lives under him in the cave and get out and blah blah." We're lucky they actually showed us ANYTHING. As you pointed out, they dead ended us for years with BS that they can't/won't answer. Its like people defending Lucas and his bs that he knew exactly how the 6 Star Wars films were going to play out from day one. No he didn't and neither did the clowns writing lost. They left so much unanswered... so so many questions... so very tired...... what was my point? Oh yeah, STAY OUT OF MY BOOZE!
The problem with the show is that there was no end game in mind, the end game was an after thought and because of that all the discrepancies built up and nothing was really answered!
When they had an end game in mind they should have simplified it instead of complicating matters with more bull****!!
BINGO! That's what I keep saying! Hey what mystery should we add this week? Hey wouldn't it be cool if there were a group of people living here already? Hey now lets make it about two brothers! Sure why not? We don't need to answer half the crap we through at the screen! IN fact, lets have the characters go off to live this other life and then BAM! nope, just one big dream, really. COP OUT!
There was no evidence that the bomb actually went off in the past, did it? Juliet was banging it and everything flashed. But everyone returned to the present time. Yet the picture of them in the past (the Dharma welcome crew photo) remained/exists in the present. Did anything else change or remain from the "altered past?"
Also, now that I really think about it, one nice thing about the ending is that they did leave a lot of questions unanswered. Even though the show is officially over, this leaves enough story and mystery left for future movies and spin-offs. What happens with Ben and Hugo on the island? What happens to the people who left the island, on the plane? If nothing is ever more made relating to Lost, the show is complete with a great ending. However, if TPTB decides to make more Lost (movies or spin-offs) there is still plenty of room to do so. For this reason, alone, the ending was awesome!
Also, now that I really think about it, one nice thing about the ending is that they did leave a lot of questions unanswered. Even though the show is officially over, this leaves enough story and mystery left for future movies and spin-offs. What happens with Ben and Hugo on the island? What happens to the people who left the island, on the plane? If nothing is ever more made relating to Lost, the show is complete with a great ending. However, if TPTB decides to make more Lost (movies or spin-offs) there is still plenty of room to do so. For this reason, alone, the ending was awesome!
You think the ending was awesome because it left room for movies? I'm the opposite. Take the Sopranos. I believe they ended like that because they want to leave it open for movies, too. But **** them. It was a tv show. Finish it on tv. You aint getting any more of my money with a lame movie that wont answer everything because they want more of my money for a sequel. Take the xfiles, they didn't even try to answer questions in the second movie, just made a stand-alone crime drama. They can go to hell!