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Lyle said:
Well, you brought up a possibility that I hadn't really considered, which was that Sun may have been fooling around with another survivor (namely, Michael).

Right now I'm leaning towards the "Island cured Jin's infertility problem" theory. Probably because Sun's such a cutie pie and I don't want to imagine her catting around behind Jin's back. I guess the curious part is why Sun was afraid to tell Jin, and seems to be acting guilty about having become pregnant.
The scene where she was telling Jin that she hadn't been with another man, after which Jin said "It must be a miracle." (or something to that effect) and then they hugged... her facial expressions did strike me as her being uncomfortable or something.

Maybe she wasn't telling the truth about not having been with another man.
Maybe she was uncomfortable at the thought of having Jin's baby.

I guess we'll have to wait to find out more... ;)
 
yellow said:
...Kate not telling everyone about the "dirty Others" get up in lockers from last episode...
stonyc said:
I don't think the English tutor guy is the father...
When Jin Junior is born with a full beard, it will all make sense.
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yellow said:
C) is Kate not telling everyone about the "dirty Others" get up in lockers from last episode?

Have there been any scenes where Jack and Kate have been alone since the Maternity Leave episode? Kate said something to the effect of "Jack sure is spending a lot of time in the hatch" this episode maybe she just hasn't gotten him somewhere she feels comfortable to tell him about that. Or maybe she doesn't feel comfortable telling him since Jack has been so distant after the kiss. Who else would she tell? Sawyer? (no one trusts him now) Locke? (I don't think she's close enough to him) Sayid? (maybe) I can see how telling the rest of the camp could cause issues with people doing all kinds of speculation based on the limited information and deciding to wander off to find the others and possibly get themselves killed.

I still maintain that just because it wasn't shown doesn't mean it didn't happen, we don't see them push the button every 108 minutes but we assume that they do. It is entirely possible that Kate has told Jack and they agreed to keep the information secret for the time being. They may have a big "fill in the blanks" episode at some time in the future (possibly focussing on the others themselves. I also wouldn't put it past the writers to have a few episodes out of order to confuse the issue even more and give us the big "aha" moments like Pulp Fiction/Memento.
 
atszyman said:
I still maintain that just because it wasn't shown doesn't mean it didn't happen, we don't see them push the button every 108 minutes but we assume that they do. It is entirely possible that Kate has told Jack and they agreed to keep the information secret for the time being. They may have a big "fill in the blanks" episode at some time in the future (possibly focussing on the others themselves. I also wouldn't put it past the writers to have a few episodes out of order to confuse the issue even more and give us the big "aha" moments like Pulp Fiction/Memento.

I don't think that they show EVERYTHING on the television show, it would be ridiculous to think that. But the fact remains that we have seen how many of the characters have things to hide in their past. Many of them have not come clean with what they were like in the "real world" - maybe it wouldn't be important, but I find it hard to believe that Sawyer and Kate, for example, have suddenly turned to the honest and open way of life (as proven by when Sawyer gained control of the guns.)

I don't have specifics because this isn't a show where I try to remember every little detail, and also there've been so many repeats, but I know there have been several instances this season where I've noticed that a character has no clue about something "big" that another one does know, something big enough that you would think they would be told.

Jack seems to be catching on to this habit that everyone around him has, of holding their cards close unless they need the help of one specific person. I think it's just the paranoid nature of the show - they don't really know who anyone else is, they don't know how they got where they are, or what is out in the jungle. It just also drives me a little crazy from a purely rational standpoint, but I understand the plot aspects behind it. :)
 
woah.. next week really seems to have it all. the lockdown with locke, and the balloon, (which could either mean henry actually isn't an other, or sayid, charlie, and anna-lucia are in for a bad time)
 
In relation to the beard/clothes and not telling any of the other survivors, it may be that Kate has not realised the significance of what she saw. We have seen the beardy guy in flashbacks all cleaned up, and the directors of the series have made it easy for us to make that connection, but it's possible that Kate has not yet worked it out.
 
Was it a balloon or a parachute? Don't forget they have a tendancy to show us blurbs of misdirection in the "coming attractions".

I'm just glad there's a new episode 2 weeks in a row.
 
stonyc said:
The scene where she was telling Jin that she hadn't been with another man, after which Jin said "It must be a miracle." (or something to that effect) and then they hugged... her facial expressions did strike me as her being uncomfortable or something.

Maybe she wasn't telling the truth about not having been with another man.
Maybe she was uncomfortable at the thought of having Jin's baby.

I guess we'll have to wait to find out more... ;)

about the hug/facial expression scene. It seemed to me that it wasn't that she cheated on Jin. but that she is unsure about having a baby. heck, if I was trapped on an island with little medical support I'd be a little wary!

What about magnets and male infertility? Is there anything on the island that can help with raising sperm count? I know that cold temperatures can help... but the island is quite the opposite!


... Maybe back in the real world, Jin was being drugged by Sun or her father, keeping his sperm count down? After all, Sun's father might not want her pregnant with a fisherman's son.

'hmm'? or 'hmm- no!' ?
 
hmm - no.

This episode was all about "trust issues". And she SWORE that she was faithful. But everyone on the island seems to have serious trust issues. I took her facial expression to mean that she had cheated and now lied. There were too many "looks" and innuendo between her and the baldie that taught her English. I mean he basically told her he loved her.

She cheated and the baby is his I'm betting.

Besides, why should she be nervous about having a baby? Claire did it.

Just my take on it.
 
yellow said:
hmm - no.

This episode was all about "trust issues". And she SWORE that she was faithful. But everyone on the island seems to have serious trust issues. I took her facial expression to mean that she had cheated and now lied. There were too many "looks" and innuendo between her and the baldie that taught her English. I mean he basically told her he loved her.

She cheated and the baby is his I'm betting.

Besides, why should she be nervous about having a baby? Claire did it.

Just my take on it.

The baby is Jin's. They've been on the island for almost 50 days now. She would have noticed being pregnant a long time prior if it wasn't his.

Yeah, and watching Claire wouldn't make her nervous about having a baby, she's hardly had any problems :rolleyes:
 
yellow said:
But they have Jack the Wonder Doc!?

OK, the baby is Jin's. Or Walt's. Or it IS Walt.

What problems did Claire have?

Other than strange people popping up in the middle of the night to snatch the kid, and the kid potentially getting a crazy virus because he isn't recieving his daily shots, I reckon she hasn't had ANY problems.
 
I had a little thought that maybe the sickness causes pregnancy. I mean they can't exactly do DNA tests to prove who the father is. Rousseu (however you spell it), that other girl I can't remember, and now Sun. and with that baby lab last episode. something about babies.

What do babies represent?
 
rickvanr said:
The baby is Jin's. They've been on the island for almost 50 days now. She would have noticed being pregnant a long time prior if it wasn't his.
Unless its the island's baby.
 
I've yet to see a sand castle on that beach yet.


... um. where are the kids?! I just realised there's the baby then bam! just adults. Where did all the little 'uns go?
 
ok people. after scrutinizing the commercial for next week's episode of lost, i think i have figured this out. but i feel like a genius form of hurley in a situation where nobody believes me, because everybody i have told thinks im off my rail. so please hear me out.

but first, my sources. i will refer to any of the lost episodes, the podcast, and what the abc website says:
Wednesday, March 29 at 9/8c
"Lockdown"
When the hatch suddenly takes on a life of its own, Locke is forced to enlist the help of an unlikely ally. Meanwhile, Ana Lucia, Sayid and Charlie go off into the jungle to find out the truth about Henry.

i noticed at the end of the commercial, somone says "what did you do?". at first i thought it was mr. friendly, but after a few times, i noticed the accent, and thought, "DESMOND!" based on that, i have developed this theory. desmond is an other. the hatch was the territory of the others, till they found out that locke and boone have found it. then they all left but desmond, so he could press the button, and had him cook up that story about the other guy who died. it perfectly explains two things: where he ran off to when he thought the comp was broken- the other dharma hatches, to tell the other others. it also explains why we heard him on the commercial. this brings in the second part of my theory. we heard him because he found out that locke had messed something up (i am agreeing with someone else here who said it was probably because he mistyped the code), causing the "lockedown", and he came over the intercom asking what he did, because it put the island in some sort of peril. you will notice that through much of that noise coming through the intercom was static, hinting communication, plus we know that the different hatches already can communicate. plus, we hear a sort of echo when we hear him ask it, as if it was echoing through the hatch.

next, i assume locke's "unlikely ally" is henry, because he is locked in there with him. you also hear henry's voice throughout the commercial. we see henry sticking his head into the air vent, and while i first thought that he was trying to escape, i realized that would be out of character, and that he was probably being boosted up by locke to try to escape together.

now i am still on the edge of weather henry is an other or not. lost can be very tricky. i am leaning towards him not being an other, because, otherwise, in his explanation of his "would be" plan if he was an other, he would have said something like "when they find the balloon that my people had set up ahead of time, my people would take them", instead of him saying that there wouldn't be a balloon. there was no reason he wouldn't have told locke and jack that. instead, he says that there wouldn't be a balloon, and we saw in the preview that they do find a balloon. (with a smiley face on it).

now that is one hell of a theory! :D
 
topgunn said:
Unless its the island's baby.

I bet it is.

If we assume she's telling the truth, this is just another of the island's mysteries that I stated many pages ago, and we've discussed.

If she's not, it's pretty safe to assume the tutor probably is the father.

On a side note, my parents have noticed how Jin's Korean has improved a bit. He said he was learning to pronounce Korean words better and it's apparently showing :)
 
Having not seen the commercial, only running off what you guys are saying what about this...

Desmond is an other. What if he made all that stuff up, or the code really does nothing. It's just a way of knowing that somebody, if not most of the non-others are down there. Maybe it's a way of keeping tabs on them?

Virus1; Unlikely ally MUST mean Henry. Who else? Maybe Jack, seeing they've never met eye to eye before. I don't think Henry is an other now. but there does seem to be a thing about losing people with the hatch.
Desmond lost his mate, if I recall.
Henry lost his wife.
Maybe Henry is an other. Maybe losing someone is part of the hatch? Kate and Sawyer (or Soya :D ), druggy guy and the new mum, Sayid and his girlfriend (see, I forget names), Hurley and everyone (what HAS he been up to in recent episodes?!).
 
well the question is: if the code really does nothing, (why do they call it a button?) why would they sacrafice thier identitiy?

i believe in the theory that the dharma people are the others, and based on the video, (i am also assuming that the video isn't just a ploy) they are really scared of the island, because of that accident. (i think it involves the monster.) why else would they hide all the hatches so well?

i do think that the others inhabit all of the dharma hatches, but they don't inhabit the storage facilites (the arrows) which are probably scattered across the island, but aren't actually the 6 real dharma places. they are also probably used as security, in case they are running through the island from the monster.
 
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