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3rdpath said:
finally got around to watching it...good episode.

did anyone else catch the humorous reference to " the office"?


paper company in Slough, i thought i heard it right, very clever, and subtle.


was a good episode, i'm really getting into it again after the break....shame i can't say the same for alias, am kinda idsappointed with that this season.
 
Some background about the show's creation and casting:

Lloyd Braun, ABC Television Group chairman, liked J.J. Abrams' outline for a new show so much that he ordered the pilot made before the script was even written.

A number of parts were reshaped to match the actors they found in the mad rush to cast the show. For example, Jack's character, not the pilot, was originally slated to be killed by the unseen monster. Once they hired Matthew Fox, they decided to let Jack live and become a mainstay character.

Yunjin Kim auditioned for the part of Kate (which later went to Evangeline Lilly). She (Kim) got the part of Sun instead, because her audition gave J.J. the idea of having her and a newly added character, her husband (played by Daniel Dae Kim), speak only Korean as the show unfolded. Yunjin Kim didn't think much of the subservient wife character she was supposed to play, so J.J. let her in early on the secret we (but not her character's husband) now know about her character's past.

Finally, the part of Hurley was first envisioned as a redneck, but was changed to the lovable joking guy we have because that's how Jorge Garcia is in real life!
 
I didn't understand that last bit with Sawyer asking about Jack's dad. What was that about? :confused:
 
applekid said:
I didn't understand that last bit with Sawyer asking about Jack's dad. What was that about? :confused:
After Sawyer first met the man who he thought was responsible for his parents' deaths, he went to a bar in Sydney where he met a man who turned out to be Jack's father... of course, he had no idea who this man was until Jack made the same comment (to Sawyer) as his father did regarding the Red Sox. So now Sawyer knows something that Jack would want to know... that his father loved him and was proud of him, even though Jack ruined his father's career.
 
I was pleased with last night's episode - some more good background on Sawyer, including a bit about why he is so "troubled". The link to Jack was a nice twist, although as MongoTheGeek points out, I'm sure that there are many more such links just waiting to be discovered.
 
I think the creators outlined the entire season's plot before they even shot the first show. This really does give the series a continuity that is lacking in some other shows... aka Enterprise.
 
Lacero said:
I think the creators outlined the entire season's plot before they even shot the first show. This really does give the series a continuity that is lacking in some other shows... aka Enterprise.
Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding!

Exactly. The secret to any truly good TV drama is to plot out the entire story in advance. Lost, Babylon 5, and other shows that have a complete story before one frame of footage is shot will always do better than shows that make it up as they go along (e.g., The X-Files).
 
clayjohanson said:
Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding!

Exactly. The secret to any truly good TV drama is to plot out the entire story in advance. Lost, Babylon 5, and other shows that have a complete story before one frame of footage is shot will always do better than shows that make it up as they go along (e.g., The X-Files).
True, X-Files only made it, what, 9 seasons? Babylon 5 made it 5 seasons...
 
emw said:
True, X-Files only made it, what, 9 seasons? Babylon 5 made it 5 seasons...
True, but The X-Files became more and more incoherent as time passed... it's obvious that Chris Carter was performing without a net, and storylines that should have been wrapped up (the conspiracy, for example) were continued (supersoldiers? come on) well beyond their natural expiration date.

B5, on the other hand, was planned as a five-year story, and it ran five years. Only its constant fight for airtime (e.g., the question of who would air Season 5, if anyone) caused it problems (e.g., the premature conclusion of certain storylines before the end of Season 4).
 
Twin Peaks season one was near perfect, season two lost it's way...the movie was just disappointing. I like lost, but it would be better if someone important would die.
 
Could someone please explain to me the dialogue between Saywer and the man he killed. I wasn't sure if that man wasn't the man responsible for his parent's troubles that lead to their deaths and it was another guy, or that it was just a misunderstanding on the part of Sawyer and that man wasn't the bad person to his parent's that he thought to be. Please someone who picked up on this scene explain it to me cause its been bothering me trying understand their conversation.
 
starcrossed said:
Could someone please explain to me the dialogue between Saywer and the man he killed. I wasn't sure if that man wasn't the man responsible for his parent's troubles that lead to their deaths and it was another guy, or that it was just a misunderstanding on the part of Sawyer and that man wasn't the bad person to his parent's that he thought to be. Please someone who picked up on this scene explain it to me cause its been bothering me trying understand their conversation.
Basically, Hips (I think that was his name... Robert Patrick, aka the T-1000) knew of Sawyer's desire to kill the man who conned his parents and ultimately caused their death... so he led Sawyer to believe that the man in Australia was that man. In reality, though, he was just someone who owed Hips money and Hips used Sawyer to take him out. So Sawyer is carrying around a lot of guilt/remorse for killing the wrong man.
 
Anyone else notice Hurley on the TV when Jin went to the Environment Secretary's house the first time? It looked like some sort of news show and he was getting into a car. It was when he looks over at the guys daughter watching TV.

Hmmmm. Is Hurley someone important?
 
emw said:
Anyone else notice Hurley on the TV when Jin went to the Environment Secretary's house the first time? It looked like some sort of news show and he was getting into a car. It was when he looks over at the guys daughter watching TV.

Hmmmm. Is Hurley someone important?

My mom noticed too, I'm going to have to re-watch it to see if for myself... I wasn't paying as much attention as I should have. good episode all in all though.
 
evoluzione said:
...the only character with no back story so far.
Yes, I am anxiously awaiting more information on Hurley. He's one of the more interesting characters, and I'd like to understand his background. I wonder if he is indeed somebody "important."
 
emw said:
Anyone else notice Hurley on the TV when Jin went to the Environment Secretary's house the first time? It looked like some sort of news show and he was getting into a car. It was when he looks over at the guys daughter watching TV.

Hmmmm. Is Hurley someone important?

yep, i noticed it too...rewound a couple of times to make sure. it kinda looked like he was getting the media ambush the way he was getting into his car...also in one of the quick shots it looks like he's blocking the camera with his hand after he's inside the car. i'm going to rewatch it because the subtitles on the screen sure look like, although they're "korean", maybe they approximate english letters. my first impression was that it said " can you..."

and although i can appreciate a nice female figure as well as the next guy, the long bikini shots were just silly. looked like a SI cover shoot.

that said, i love this show.
 
Well, the one thing we can gather from Hurley appearing on TV is that he is not, as one theory posited, a manifestation of the island itself. He's real.

And I LOVED how Locke handled the whole "there are other people on this island" thing to try to unite everyone, while hiding who really burned the raft. But we learned what unites him and Walt... they both LIKE it on the island. No way does anyone get to escape now, except through death.
 
evoluzione said:
yeah it was definitely Hurley on the TV in the Environment Secretary's house. My girlfriend spotted it so i rewound (love TiVo) and sure enough, there he was...the only character with no back story so far.
Have we had a back story on Claire? I've lost track.
 
Doctor Q said:
Have we had a back story on Claire? I've lost track.
Yeah... she got pregnant, her boyfriend left her, she went to see a psychic who at first wouldn't see her but then told her she had to raise her child herself, and then the psychic (apparenty armed with knowledge of what was to happen) tricked her into getting on a flight to LA so that she could give up the baby for adoption... but of course, he somehow knew the flight was going down and didn't tell her.
 
Doctor Q said:
Have we had a back story on Claire? I've lost track.

i don't think so.

btw, wasn't it interesting the way hurley and claire were posed identically at the end of the show...

edit: picture...anyone want to know the translation?
 

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