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Does anyone know if Planet Earth is viewable from the States, in any way? I've been dying to see it.
i enjoy lost and am enjoying being left in the dark the suspense i agree is agonising but well worth it i hope i love the fact if there is 1 answer it adds 3 more mysteries im intrigued by it and want to find out more!!
if we get all the answers straight away or within 3 episodes how entertaining would that be, Not very, and then the best thing on TV would never of happened!!
if we get all the answers straight away or within 3 episodes how entertaining would that be, Not very, and then the best thing on TV would never of happened!!
im all for more information to be given to us but i do love the suspense that goes with not knowing!!
soon we will find out have patience and im sure we will be more enlightened!!
soon we will find out have patience and im sure we will be more enlightened!!
New theory:
It's a heroin haze dream that Charlie has in the can on the plane.
Lets see, black smoke that kills people and occasionally looks like dead relatives...
Charlie must have been reading Prey before he went to the can.
I thought last night's episode was awesome...unlike alot of you, I'm falling more and more in love with the show after each episode (unlike some of you who are falling more and more out of love with the show after each episode).
I believe Juliette is the real "bad" one on the island ...
The only mystery I'm really curious about is how Jack, Sawyer, and Kate will get off the island...
I believe Juliette is the real "bad" one on the island ...
The only mystery I'm really curious about is how Jack, Sawyer, and Kate will get off the island...
I'm actually glad about it.Almost every show I watch has a midseason break running till March.
First, life's been busy, and it helps not to be tempted to sit for yet another hour at a time in front of the TV.
Second, by the time it comes back, I'll have my iTV set up to replace my iRecord/mac mini DVR and will just tape the 16-episode run and start watching in the middle so as to spend less time upset between episodes.
Well as far as I can tell she's the only "other" who actually set out to kill one of her own.
Overall I think that was definitely the best episode of the series so far. Again Juliet and Kate playing the cryptic game with the hood. I even started to bite my nails towards the end
probably won't happen again until the last episode of this series. They always save all the excitement for the endings (or in this case the biiiig pause). Jack's actions were nice though, the way it all played out. Really wasn't expecting that!My dislike for Kate stooped to lower levels. The liar.
Anyone else notice Jack's demand to Ben was, "I need to get off this island."
How stupid can Jack be? Why not demand to go home wherever that might be? Get me off this island will only get him sent back to the camp on the second/original island. And even if you don't know about the second island (which I know Jack does not) get me off this island is just going to end up with him on a boat in the middle of the ocean or in the middle of the ocean with no boat.
He should know better than to be vague with the others. If you're going to make a demand for the others you tell them "I want to be dropped off at #1 Elm St. Springfield, IN at 2:17 p.m. on December 24, 2008". You don't give these people wiggle room.
How stupid can Jack be? Why not demand to go home wherever that might be? Get me off this island will only get him sent back to the camp on the second/original island. And even if you don't know about the second island (which I know Jack does not) get me off this island is just going to end up with him on a boat in the middle of the ocean or in the middle of the ocean with no boat.
He should know better than to be vague with the others. If you're going to make a demand for the others you tell them "I want to be dropped off at #1 Elm St. Springfield, IN at 2:17 p.m. on December 24, 2008". You don't give these people wiggle room.
I'm going to go out on a limb here, but I think I view Lost in a very different light than most of the posters in this thread.
Sure, the first few episodes way back in Season One had me hooked with the secrets of the island and all the different mysteries the survivors encountered. I was always on the edge of my seat, looking for new clues that would somehow help to solve the riddles and help the survivors make their way back home.
But somewhere in the middle of Season One, I realized why the show appealed to me, and it wasn't because of the all the unanswered questions or riddles or mysteries that surround the characters. Rather, I watched the show because of the characters, not because of the mysteries of the island. I realized that the more I found out about the past of the characters, and the more the personalities were fleshed out after the Pilot, the more connected I felt to the show.
The characters in the show, although made up and most running from suspect pasts, nevertheless endured struggles and challenges that I think we as viewers can relate to, if not completely, at least to a certain extent. I'm sure every one of us, has, at some point been betrayed, or hurt, or has felt any one of the other feelings that the characters in Lost had to experience before their arrival on the island. Sure, the character histories are just as made-up as the storyline of the survivors on the island, but the fact that the pasts of the characters are so believable, makes it easy to connect and relate to a majority of the characters.
I guess the point I'm trying to make here is that the show is more than just finding the meaning of the numbers, or figuring out why the black smoke kills (or doesn't kill, as the case may be.) It's about us. Us as people. Us as individuals that go through life experiencing events that will later shape how we deal with other events and circumstances in our life. Why else would the majority of these episodes feature a flashback that runs parallel to the main story on the island? Certainly not character development, as the main characters were adequately portrayed during Season One. The character flashbacks serve to show us how our past, and how we deal with it, will affect the decisions we make regarding ourselves and others. In the end, these decisions will ultimately affect the relationships between our friends, allies, and foes.
I don't see Lost as a big mystery puzzle, with hidden answers, cryptic challenges, and impenetrable secrets. Rather, I see it as a reflection of the relationships we build between individuals and how our past, will ultimately and always, influence us, long after we think those chapters of our lives have been closed.
But that's just me.
How's that for seeing the forest for the trees?
(Or maybe I'm just a sucker for good character development and excellent acting from incredibly good-looking people.)
(OK, so the riddles and unanswered questions are kinda cool, especially with how everyone is connected with everyone else, but still...)
Sure, the first few episodes way back in Season One had me hooked with the secrets of the island and all the different mysteries the survivors encountered. I was always on the edge of my seat, looking for new clues that would somehow help to solve the riddles and help the survivors make their way back home.
But somewhere in the middle of Season One, I realized why the show appealed to me, and it wasn't because of the all the unanswered questions or riddles or mysteries that surround the characters. Rather, I watched the show because of the characters, not because of the mysteries of the island. I realized that the more I found out about the past of the characters, and the more the personalities were fleshed out after the Pilot, the more connected I felt to the show.
The characters in the show, although made up and most running from suspect pasts, nevertheless endured struggles and challenges that I think we as viewers can relate to, if not completely, at least to a certain extent. I'm sure every one of us, has, at some point been betrayed, or hurt, or has felt any one of the other feelings that the characters in Lost had to experience before their arrival on the island. Sure, the character histories are just as made-up as the storyline of the survivors on the island, but the fact that the pasts of the characters are so believable, makes it easy to connect and relate to a majority of the characters.
I guess the point I'm trying to make here is that the show is more than just finding the meaning of the numbers, or figuring out why the black smoke kills (or doesn't kill, as the case may be.) It's about us. Us as people. Us as individuals that go through life experiencing events that will later shape how we deal with other events and circumstances in our life. Why else would the majority of these episodes feature a flashback that runs parallel to the main story on the island? Certainly not character development, as the main characters were adequately portrayed during Season One. The character flashbacks serve to show us how our past, and how we deal with it, will affect the decisions we make regarding ourselves and others. In the end, these decisions will ultimately affect the relationships between our friends, allies, and foes.
I don't see Lost as a big mystery puzzle, with hidden answers, cryptic challenges, and impenetrable secrets. Rather, I see it as a reflection of the relationships we build between individuals and how our past, will ultimately and always, influence us, long after we think those chapters of our lives have been closed.
But that's just me.
How's that for seeing the forest for the trees?
(Or maybe I'm just a sucker for good character development and excellent acting from incredibly good-looking people.)
(OK, so the riddles and unanswered questions are kinda cool, especially with how everyone is connected with everyone else, but still...)
Yes, noticed and assumed that Ben would honor his request and slap him on the other island. At which point I would totally cease to watch this show.
Sure, but that will only take you so far.. at some point I'm going to stop caring about Locke's back story and NEED to be told what the **** the black smoke is. Etc.
Exactly. If the show became a "24" style show depicting Jacks backstory for the next 40 years would you bother? I'm all for character development and the ability it can give to re-watch old episodes with his story in mind, but enough is enough.
Especially Kates predictable back story.
Goes on the run. Cons men into thinking they're working with her, when they're working for her. Finds love. aw. settles down. this isn't me. runs away.
Because cliched storyline #1 is Rebels always fall in love eventually. Sawyer anyone?
As for the new folk introduced last episode - yippee. that's at least 6 backstory episodes right there for people I don't care about.
My theory
I have this suspicion that the island is actually Atlantis (remember the 3 toed statue & now the fact that the islands may be invisible) - being covered up by the government. The interesting thing is that the magnetism of the "crash site island" may have been interupted and it is possibly visible now.
I suspect the black smoke is something similar to "the id monster" from Forbidden Planet and possibly the undoing of the original Atlantis inhabitants just as they were on Valarathon 4 in Forbidden Planet.
ALL of the backstories are tied together - there is a calculated reason why almost every person on the plane is there. It is my belief that there is a plant at the Australian airport where they departed that places people intentionally on planes and the planes are intentionally routed over the islands.
Ana Lucia is tied to Jack's father, which is central for the reason Jack was in Australia. Eko's story is there to add drama - ie introduce the Polar bear and explain that the cage that Sawyer is in + explain some of the monster noises. It also shows that possibly the smoke is a hallucination and ties that into drugs and the supernatural - but my suspicion is that it's real. (see above)
I will bet that we will find out that the "smoke monster" and Ben's tumor are related ... just as Morbius got a headache/brain tumor from using the machine that created the "id monster" in forbidden planet.
I have this suspicion that the island is actually Atlantis (remember the 3 toed statue & now the fact that the islands may be invisible) - being covered up by the government. The interesting thing is that the magnetism of the "crash site island" may have been interupted and it is possibly visible now.
I suspect the black smoke is something similar to "the id monster" from Forbidden Planet and possibly the undoing of the original Atlantis inhabitants just as they were on Valarathon 4 in Forbidden Planet.
ALL of the backstories are tied together - there is a calculated reason why almost every person on the plane is there. It is my belief that there is a plant at the Australian airport where they departed that places people intentionally on planes and the planes are intentionally routed over the islands.
Ana Lucia is tied to Jack's father, which is central for the reason Jack was in Australia. Eko's story is there to add drama - ie introduce the Polar bear and explain that the cage that Sawyer is in + explain some of the monster noises. It also shows that possibly the smoke is a hallucination and ties that into drugs and the supernatural - but my suspicion is that it's real. (see above)
I will bet that we will find out that the "smoke monster" and Ben's tumor are related ... just as Morbius got a headache/brain tumor from using the machine that created the "id monster" in forbidden planet.
They could have just as easily done a back story on Jack's dad without Ana Lucia, Libby could have just as easily been "the person who gave Desmond the boat" (and shown in Hurley's flashback as a tie in just like Sawyer slept with the lottery girl), and polar bears were introduced in season 1 long before we met Eko. Unless they were going to show up again (which is unlikely since the only one contracted for this season was Eko and it was noted his contract was different) in other poeple's back stories, the back story on the dead just seems to be a waste.
The writers are winging it and don't know who they will kill off, which in a way is a refreshing change of pace from shows where you see it coming a mile away but the latter portion of last season, and this season so far, seem to be about 1 good episode for every 3 episodes that are just barely on the good side of OK. They need to sit down during the hiatus and plot out the rest of the show to give it a little more coherence. It's starting to feel like they're trying too hard to be cryptic just to be cryptic, the new mysteries don't seem to feel like they're moving the plot along very well. And they seem to have completely abandoned the Hanso foundation stuff which was actually a little more interesting...
I'm slowly losing faith in the show but will keep coming back with the hope that they will prove that I am an idiot with some killer episodes that make me understand the poor episodes.
Actually, I think that Ana Lucia's story shows that someone who acts tough gets killed + she was with Jack's father. The whole story needed to develop with Jack's father to build his character. We needed to see the type Sawyer likes and then the type Sawyer actually loves (Kate). As for Eko, I think it has been key to the drama of the "smoke monster" to make him superstitious and make the "smoke monster" seem unknown. I think both of these backstories have been key and while maybe drawn out ...
... well for that I'll answer the last part of your last post. Was every episode of the old Star Trek series great? Was every double episode of any Star Trek series great? Were ALL of the "Q" episodes (which could be considered it's own miniseries) great? I look at it like a reality show, not every week has the ultimate drama, but in the end you see why something was important.
I really do think they should end it next season ... I hope that they do.
And by the way, the Hanso Foundation is a front for a cover up, it is there to make people think that if they stumble on the island it was some crazy experiment - there is a reason they haven't developed this much more beyond showing them seeing more hatches ... I'm sure ... as in last season's very final minutes ... we will discover more about the cover up and that the government actually knows about the island or possibly the existence of many many islands (that are invisible). Remember how in the end of last season's finale some Russian team found an indication (when the hatch blew up with the light burst/magnetic wave) of the location of one of the islands?
And by the way, the Hanso Foudation is more of a web phenonmenon to get interest in searching the web to find out clues ... there are dozens of website registered by ABC. Just type in "Hanso" into google and see what I mean. You have to have a lot of time on your hands, but you'll discover that Hanso - is A) A bureaucratic paper trail for a government cover up of military technology B) Still known to the government and NOT a failed psychological experiment
Now, what does a paper trail and the word Hanso remind you of? Hansel and Gretl perhaps and a bread crumb trail?
Call me strange. But since Tomb Raider 1 I've been waiting for another game/show/book to really spark to life the island of Atlantis. Therefore I like your theory
I'm all out of ideas myself now. But if this is Atlantis then that alone will persuade me to keep watching
Necessary? Not completely. Drawn out? Yes. Key? Maybe. This season is just really giving me the feeling that although the writers may know their ultimate destination, they have no clue how they are going to get there. I can think of better ways to get the back story on Jack's dad than having to have a character just for that purpose and then killing them. And don't get me started on the "smoke monster." It has been claimed, multiple times in this thread and elsewhere that everything would have a scientific explanation, but the "smoke monster" is going to be the biggest stretch of scientific I've seen.
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I don't like reality TV, and I realize that every episode of a TV show cannot be great. But I'd like more consistency. The good episodes of Lost are excellent, but the poor ones would have gotten it cancelled if that's all they had. I watch enough other shows where the episodes are much more consistent in their quality. The best shows may not be as good as Lost's best but the poorest episodes of other shows don't make me want to quit watching them like Lost seems to be doing.
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I can agree with you on that but it's currently a cash cow although based on reactions I've seen to this season the $$ may not last too much longer unless they start tying things up.
adzoox said:
There was a whole extra set of mysteries involved with the Hanso foundation, and through the website. It added another layer to the show and made it a little game/mystery on the side. I'm disappointed that they quit it so suddenly, it might actually help keep me interested.
Last year I had groups of people who watched religiously on Wednesday nights and on Thursday we'd go through emails and discussions theorizing, and trying to figure stuff out. This year has lost the magic. I get to work on Thursday and it's a 50/50 shot whether or not we all watched and I've received no emails from people about theories or episodes. This season has lost some of the magic and I keep hoping they can get it back, unfortunately I'm a bit pessimistic about that...
I really want to be proven wrong on this but now I won't know if they can do it until February.
I also think that the season so far has been pretty poor, the last one being one of the worst episodes of the entire show.
the new soap-like approach is boring and the 'interactions' of the three prisoners with the others are ludicrous. Is it possible that jack never asked them once who they are, what they want from them, and why they didn't just come and help them afer the crash?
On top of the questionable writing, it appears to me that also the direction (as in the way it is directed) and editing/cut has gotten much worse (i.e. the incredibly weak introduction of thee two new 'regulars', and the confused and
rushed way they dealt with eko's death), and some of the flashbacks seem to be significantly wasted (the last one in particular).
also the miniseries format with the long hiatus was a terrible idea, which i am afraid they will pay dearly come february if they are not quick in changing direction and up the writing a couple notches. It would have been much better a normal programming (with the occasional black out date or rerun), or a regular alternate week programming.
It's good that the show still carried considerable inertia from last season, but it won't last much longer especially considering how weak the miniseason finale was.
They have time to change the course, but they have to serve a couple of really good episodes immediately in february to get the wheels moving again. I really hope so.
the new soap-like approach is boring and the 'interactions' of the three prisoners with the others are ludicrous. Is it possible that jack never asked them once who they are, what they want from them, and why they didn't just come and help them afer the crash?
On top of the questionable writing, it appears to me that also the direction (as in the way it is directed) and editing/cut has gotten much worse (i.e. the incredibly weak introduction of thee two new 'regulars', and the confused and
rushed way they dealt with eko's death), and some of the flashbacks seem to be significantly wasted (the last one in particular).
also the miniseries format with the long hiatus was a terrible idea, which i am afraid they will pay dearly come february if they are not quick in changing direction and up the writing a couple notches. It would have been much better a normal programming (with the occasional black out date or rerun), or a regular alternate week programming.
It's good that the show still carried considerable inertia from last season, but it won't last much longer especially considering how weak the miniseason finale was.
They have time to change the course, but they have to serve a couple of really good episodes immediately in february to get the wheels moving again. I really hope so.
He probably has, but it won't be revealed until a flashback sometime in season 6.
I think you just figured it all out....
They are going to keep going, and going, and going.... Someday the flashbacks are going to catch up to when the plane crashed. So sometime around season 6 we're going to get flashbacks of season 1. At that point the show becomes half as expensive since they have all of the season 1 footage and only need the actors for the non-flashback half of the show.
Some people like me will still be watching thinking "man this sucks but at least their flashbacks remind me of when this show was good."
The show is officially going to be done as a must see for me when they do a flashback on one of new people that were so poorly introduced.
One of the few posts that literally made me laugh out loud. Well done, and sadly a possibility.
I'm glad there seems to be a general consensus on the rapid influx of crappidity in the show. The writers/producers would have to be absolutely out of it to not see such a widespread dissatisfaction with their work.
One thing that really annoyed me about this last episode (just watched it) is that the whole reason i watched was for the cliffhanger... I knew there would be one, and I was expecting it to be good. Buuuuuut, in recent LOST fasion, it was horrible. The hook is nothing more than 'who loves who' and whether or not Ben will die. How do either of these things address any questions, or pose any relevant ones that will work to advance the storyline? Rather than use a scene where Lock encounters a beast or learns something new about the Black Smoke, or show what's going on with the two wintry Portugese folk that we saw last season, they decide to use an absolutely pointless hook.
"ooh.. will Kate run? Is Jack going to kill Ben?" I don't fracking care! I want to know more about the island, more about the smoke, more about the four toed statue, more about dharma, more about the hatches, more about the second island, more about michael and walt, more about the two guys hired by desmond's girlfriend to find him, more about desmond's new found ability to see the future, more about why locke was paralized, more about why everyone was 'selected' to be on the plane, more about the other's village.... SOOO many things to address, and they decide to hook us with that.
Lame, guys... really lame.
One thing that really annoyed me about this last episode (just watched it) is that the whole reason i watched was for the cliffhanger... I knew there would be one, and I was expecting it to be good. Buuuuuut, in recent LOST fasion, it was horrible. The hook is nothing more than 'who loves who' and whether or not Ben will die. How do either of these things address any questions, or pose any relevant ones that will work to advance the storyline? Rather than use a scene where Lock encounters a beast or learns something new about the Black Smoke, or show what's going on with the two wintry Portugese folk that we saw last season, they decide to use an absolutely pointless hook.
"ooh.. will Kate run? Is Jack going to kill Ben?" I don't fracking care! I want to know more about the island, more about the smoke, more about the four toed statue, more about dharma, more about the hatches, more about the second island, more about michael and walt, more about the two guys hired by desmond's girlfriend to find him, more about desmond's new found ability to see the future, more about why locke was paralized, more about why everyone was 'selected' to be on the plane, more about the other's village.... SOOO many things to address, and they decide to hook us with that.
Lame, guys... really lame.
As a pretty big lost fan, I hope they lose a bunch of viewers during the break and are given only 12-18 episodes next season to wrap everything up.
The beginning of the premier of Season 2 was some of the best TV I have ever watched. They need to get back to the off island inner-connections of the survivors and the big bad master plan of the Island/Others (and the numbers).
The beginning of the premier of Season 2 was some of the best TV I have ever watched. They need to get back to the off island inner-connections of the survivors and the big bad master plan of the Island/Others (and the numbers).
After reading this it has finally dawned on me...
Lost has gone from the big über-mystery with interconnections and plot twists, and WTF moments, to a soap opera. We knew about the Jack, Kate, Sawyer love triangle before but it was secondary to character interconnections and the Dharma/Hanso mysteries. Now the show seems to be more about the love triangles and power struggles than the mysteries.
We now know the others live in a little village but what else do we know about the village? We know there are even more person(people) in some other hatches, but what about the 4 toed statue? What about the Portuguese people in the arctic and Desmond's girlfriend, and WTF is going on with Desmond?
The season could get better, they have some good questions left but they seem too preoccupied with the soap opera to address the mystery.
They should have taken a hint from Battlestar Galactica when they started off the season with a large portion of the human race held under Cylon oppression. It was a massive deviation from the way the show was, but they skipped an entire year of the occupation and got right on with the rescue. It only took 3 episodes to get the humans rescued and back on the ships where the series is at home.
Lost has wasted 6 episodes with Jack, Kate, and Sawyer held captive and still doesn't even seem like they are anywhere close to being rescued. The season can be rescued but they'll have to pick up the pace significantly after the break and get back to the mysteries, rather than the love triangles and drama.
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