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Ugh yeah maybe you didn’t check your Tesla close enough. My Y definitely doesn’t match the build quality of my 10 year old Audi A4.
My Z4 had a lot of rattles and squeaks. The power roof would get stuck half up folding down into the trunk often. A few times I had to drive to the dealer at 20 mph hanging onto the roof.
 
I think the EV is a niche market. If everyone drove one, it would create real issues. I live in a home with a garage, yet when I look out my window the street is full of parked cars. Would all these people have cords running from home across the sidewalk to their car? When I go to a Tesla charging station, there is often 8 chargers and maybe 1 or 2 cars charging, but if everyone had an electric car then it would look like the lines at Costco on a weekend to buy gas, and it would take you several hours to get charged. The same would be true for the battery swap method.
Then I hear in California on hot days when they are having blackouts, they are asking people not to charge at home. Imaging if everyone had an EV. This would be total chaos.
I don't see the ICE going away anytime soon.
 
My Z4 had a lot of rattles and squeaks. The power roof would get stuck half up folding down into the trunk often. A few times I had to drive to the dealer at 20 mph hanging onto the roof.

That’s not so much “build quality” as Germans over complicating things

Never was a fan of a power roof on a small ragtop, the last generation toyota MR2 was a great example, dirt simple roof, all manual, but took nearly zero muscle and took less time than electric to deploy
 
So you're saying all these are better characteristics the Model Y has over the Lucid Air? That's my actual question.

A lot of this seems like externalities around the car, not about the car itself. Again, these are reasons to buy the Model Y over the Lucid Air, but I don't consider these to be reasons why the Model Y is "the better car".

If it's so obvious, why did the original poster bother to buy the Lucid Air?

I don't understand why it keeps coming back to these points that are unrelated to the driving characteristics. I'm not interested in a decision on what car to buy, I'm just interested in whether there are specific driving dynamics of the physical car itself that make the Model Y better than the Lucid Air. It is an honest question with no agenda.

I'm not sure why everyone seems interested in changing the topic to be "Why I'll always buy a Tesla over a Lucid".

Do you actually own a Lucid Air over the Model Y and can tell me why the Model Y drives better than the Lucid Air?
I haven't driven one so can't comment on the driving dynamics. I did go look at them at the showroom here in the Silicon Valley, but these days I am a SUV instead of a sedan buyer.

The biggest concern I have with Lucid is will they be around in a few years. With the availability of capital becoming more restricted I suspect a lot of companies are headed for tough financial times. Maybe Apple will buy them?
 
Wait to hear that at home when people decide to rev their engines at all times of the day. I wish a car accident on people who do it in my neighborhood.
lol i can agree with this, i got one neighbor to my left with a 911 gts straight pipe, to the right a merc amg and a 60's stingray, across the street a 570s, for a car guy my neighborhood is fine, but when you got a 2 year old its a nightmare.
 
If you look at the JD Powers data for initial quality, Audi is right at the bottom 3.

JD Power is mostly just a bought advertisement, I don’t pay it any attention

Especially when they say what’s the most dependable car on a car that JUST came out lol
 
I think the EV is a niche market. If everyone drove one, it would create real issues. I live in a home with a garage, yet when I look out my window the street is full of parked cars. Would all these people have cords running from home across the sidewalk to their car? When I go to a Tesla charging station, there is often 8 chargers and maybe 1 or 2 cars charging, but if everyone had an electric car then it would look like the lines at Costco on a weekend to buy gas, and it would take you several hours to get charged. The same would be true for the battery swap method.
Then I hear in California on hot days when they are having blackouts, they are asking people not to charge at home. Imaging if everyone had an EV. This would be total chaos.
I don't see the ICE going away anytime soon.
Charging is factor for some. By me in the SF Bay Area the charging infrastructure is good and getting better, but elsewhere it need more development. Within 20 miles of my house there are 7 or 8 Tesla Supercharger locations with close to a 90 charging stalls. Several of them are in mall and Target parking lots where people can charge while they shop. There are also numerous other charging companies that have many chargers. And some condo/townhome complexes have charging stands on the street.

With that said, even here we are way behind the EV charging infrastructure you see in Norway. Almost all of their stations on the highways sell gas and charging, and they allow people to plug into the charging stands on city streets.

Regarding charging during power emergencies, for 4-5 days in October we were requested not to charge during 4-8 PM in the SF Bay Area. Outside of those times the grid had plenty of power. We have solar and batteries and were able to power our house with AC running and still had excess power production we sold back to the grid for high rates.
 
Charging is factor for some. By me in the SF Bay Area the charging infrastructure is good and getting better, but elsewhere it need more development. Within 20 miles of my house there are 7 or 8 Tesla Supercharger locations with close to a 90 charging stalls. Several of them are in mall and Target parking lots where people can charge while they shop. There are also numerous other charging companies that have many chargers. And some condo/townhome complexes have charging stands on the street.

With that said, even here we are way behind the EV charging infrastructure you see in Norway. Almost all of their stations on the highways sell gas and charging, and they allow people to plug into the charging stands on city streets.

Regarding charging during power emergencies, for 4-5 days in October we were requested not to charge during 4-8 PM in the SF Bay Area. Outside of those times the grid had plenty of power. We have solar and batteries and were able to power our house with AC running and still had excess power production we sold back to the grid for high rates.

How long does it take to charge your electric car just off of your solar?

If you charged your car off solar during normal operations would your be at a electrical surplus for that charging cycle, or a deficit?
 
I just looked at this car, and it also fell to the plague of putting touchscreens everywhere.

With physical buttons and dials you develop muscle memory so you can do stuff like change the station, AC temperature, etc without looking away. If dials are made with audible and tactile feedback, you can even know how many clicks is enough. With touchscreens, muscle memory is impossible. You can use voice command, but voice command is not perfect, far from it.

Wouldn’t be surprised if soon steering wheel is gonna be on touchscreen also.
Lucid has many more physical buttons than Tesla. It offers both options basically. Climate controls, wipers, gearshift, seat controls, volume, track selection, cruise control, lane assist, window controls etc are all physical and many are duplicated in the touch interface. You can also control many features of the vehicle via Alexa (yes I know it's Alexa but it mostly works lol). There is Siri integration as well for certain functions.
 
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Charging is factor for some. By me in the SF Bay Area the charging infrastructure is good and getting better, but elsewhere it need more development. Within 20 miles of my house there are 7 or 8 Tesla Supercharger locations with close to a 90 charging stalls. Several of them are in mall and Target parking lots where people can charge while they shop. There are also numerous other charging companies that have many chargers. And some condo/townhome complexes have charging stands on the street.

With that said, even here we are way behind the EV charging infrastructure you see in Norway. Almost all of their stations on the highways sell gas and charging, and they allow people to plug into the charging stands on city streets.

Regarding charging during power emergencies, for 4-5 days in October we were requested not to charge during 4-8 PM in the SF Bay Area. Outside of those times the grid had plenty of power. We have solar and batteries and were able to power our house with AC running and still had excess power production we sold back to the grid for high rates.
Ok, but what percentage of cars on the road are EV in your area? 3% maybe 4%. Just image how many black outs you would have to if you 50 times as many people charging, and using electric ranges instead of gas. 20 miles is a long way to go to charge. With in a ½ radius of my house are 4 gas stations.
Where does your power come from? Where I live I am driving on a mix of coal and natural gas.
 
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Ok, but what percentage of cars on the road are EV in your area? 3% maybe 4%. Just image how many black outs you would have to if you 50 times as many people charging, and using electric ranges instead of gas. 20 miles is a long way to go to charge. With in a ½ radius of my house are 4 gas stations.
Where does your power come from? Where I live I am driving on a mix of coal and natural gas.
In my town there are a lot of EVs. It is not unusual to see 1/2 of the cars at a stoplight being an EV. Lots of Teslas, some Hyundai, Ford, and few Rivians. State wide EVs accounted for about 18% of new cars sold. It is 6% overall in the US.

20 miles was the radius I used. There are numerous Supercharger locations within in that 20 miles. The closest Supercharger is about 3 miles. Next one is 4 miles away, and then 5 miles. And I can also charge at home for close to free because of the solar and batteries.

There are also a number of 3rd party chargers in that 20 mile radius but I only tried one once to verify my car and credit card would work with their system.

According their website, our local utility PG&E, gets 50% of its power from renewables, 39% from nuclear, 4% Large Hydro, 7% Natural gas.
 
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How long does it take to charge your electric car just off of your solar?

If you charged your car off solar during normal operations would your be at a electrical surplus for that charging cycle, or a deficit?
Our home charger puts out about 10 kWh so our car with the 100 kWh battery could be charged from 0 to 100% in 10 hours. That is good for around 300 miles.

However, one of the biggest changes of switching to EVs with charging at home is getting used to charging more often. Some people come home and plug in every night and their car is topped off every morning. And you can set the time car charges to take advantage of low rates. I know people in Texas that have free nights and weekend power plans, and as a result, they pay zero for their at home charging. Unfortunately, we don't have that rate so we pay about $0.15/kWh if I need to buy power from the electric company.

But since we work from home we can charge during the day when the solar produces most of the electricity I need. But I still do stop at Superchargers to top off since one is right by the coffee place we frequent. At the supercharger we pay $0.20 kWh at the time (early morning) we often use them.
 
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My electric is pretty cheap here, I guess because it's natural gas and coal. The rate is only $0.07/kWh. I don't drive a lot, and charge 95% at home. So far this month I have spent $8 charging. The Tesla app does a nice job of keeping track of your charging costs.

About Norway, it's interesting to note that the total population of Norway is less than the SF bay area population.

I didn't buy an EV because of climate change, I'm not in that religion, I bought it because I like the technology, like trying new things, think Elon is doing great things with Twitter, and hate going to the gas station.

Jerryk, why not make your coffee at home? What type of coffee do you enjoy? Espresso is kind of a hobby for me.
 
My electric is pretty cheap here, I guess because it's natural gas and coal. The rate is only $0.07/kWh. I don't drive a lot, and charge 95% at home. So far this month I have spent $8 charging. The Tesla app does a nice job of keeping track of your charging costs.

About Norway, it's interesting to note that the total population of Norway is less than the SF bay area population.

I didn't buy an EV because of climate change, I'm not in that religion, I bought it because I like the technology, like trying new things, think Elon is doing great things with Twitter, and hate going to the gas station.

Jerryk, why not make your coffee at home? What type of coffee do you enjoy? Espresso is kind of a hobby for me.

Proven scientific facts aren’t a religion. Just wanted to let you know so you don’t make this mistake again brother.
 
My electric is pretty cheap here, I guess because it's natural gas and coal. The rate is only $0.07/kWh. I don't drive a lot, and charge 95% at home. So far this month I have spent $8 charging. The Tesla app does a nice job of keeping track of your charging costs.

About Norway, it's interesting to note that the total population of Norway is less than the SF bay area population.

I didn't buy an EV because of climate change, I'm not in that religion, I bought it because I like the technology, like trying new things, think Elon is doing great things with Twitter, and hate going to the gas station.

Jerryk, why not make your coffee at home? What type of coffee do you enjoy? Espresso is kind of a hobby for me.
I usually get a Chai or other tea. I have never like coffee. Not sure why, but it just taste bitter to me. Maybe it is like how some people say Cilantro task like soap? I like it.
 
Our home charger puts out about 10 kWh so our car with the 100 kWh battery could be charged from 0 to 100% in 10 hours. That is good for around 300 miles.

However, one of the biggest changes of switching to EVs with charging at home is getting used to charging more often. Some people come home and plug in every night and their car is topped off every morning. And you can set the time car charges to take advantage of low rates. I know people in Texas that have free nights and weekend power plans, and as a result, they pay zero for their at home charging. Unfortunately, we don't have that rate so we pay about $0.15/kWh if I need to buy power from the electric company.

But since we work from home we can charge during the day when the solar produces most of the electricity I need. But I still do stop at Superchargers to top off since one is right by the coffee place we frequent. At the supercharger we pay $0.20 kWh at the time (early morning) we often use them.
wow i wish i have these rates, here in nyc the peak is .37kwh, i scheduled my charge after 12am to get the .05kwh off peak. if i'm really in a pinch i have my 10k supercharger credit that expires in 2 years.
 
Not many if any of Al Gores predictions came true. NYC is still not underwater, although where I live was once totally covered in ice for many years.

I don’t know what predictions Al Gore made, he was right on a lot of things though, wrong on others. He’s a politician, not a scientist, All the actual predictions about climate change have been shown in recent times to have actually been underestimated. It is happening faster than once thought it would take place. It’s not just about sea level rise, it’s about tropical diseases migrating out of the tropics (probably the worst aspect of it all and happening already), crop loss leading to global famine, mass migration like the world has never seen before, etc.

Buckle up my sista from another mista.
 
I don’t know what predictions Al Gore made, he was right on a lot of things though, wrong on others. He’s a politician, not a scientist, All the actual predictions about climate change have been shown in recent times to have actually been underestimated. It is happening faster than once thought it would take place. It’s not just about sea level rise, it’s about tropical diseases migrating out of the tropics (probably the worst aspect of it all and happening already), crop loss leading to global famine, mass migration like the world has never seen before, etc.

Buckle up my sista from another mista.
As much as I would like to respond and give you some facts, I know that my account would be suspended here. But I’m sure you could write more about this global famine and disease and not get suspended.
Not that I really care, but you did mis-gender me.
 
If only Tesla would follow suit.
I felt that way at first, but now I don’t really miss CarPlay. I do like how you can zoom and pan the map in the Telsa, much easier than with CarPlay. It seemed so many have complained about Apples maps, and the directions wrong, now it seems people want them.

I have seen some hacks where people have added an additional screen to their Tesla and have CarPlay running on it. Search on the web and you can find how to do this.
 
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As much as I would like to respond and give you some facts, I know that my account would be suspended here. But I’m sure you could write more about this global famine and disease and not get suspended.
Not that I really care, but you did mis-gender me.

Nobody gets suspended for posting facts here. What I believe you’re implying is that you have some sort of information that others do not possess, and that Macrumors doesn’t want you posting it because they are part of some conspiracy.

I’ll say it for you, you would tell me all about how climate change is “normal”, and there’s a grand global conspiracy involving the whole thing. Because somehow, scientists are part of this global cabal because they are getting paid by it, etc. Even though the real money (trillions) is in the oil industry, and they actually are a global cabal who have spent billions over decades, bribing politicians, spreading propaganda though pr firms, to convince the masses that it’s all a big hoax. Never mind that that the overwhelming evidence proves not only is climate change accelerating, it’s strictly because of humans. It’s impossible to dismiss this unless one either has an agenda (politicians, corporate pr hacks, bought off media), or is so neck deep in the partisan games peddled by a certain political party that they’ve lost all objectiveness.

The US military thinks climate change is real and one of their biggest threats this century. Hell even the oil cartels themselves know this but waged a war of dis-information to keep the waters muddied on this issue all in the name of money. They knew they were dooming the human race to extinction and lied about it for decades. I find it amazing that there’s still people who believe their disinformation still to this day!

We know things, like we can’t see gravity, but we know it exists, we know the Earths atmosphere is a relatively thin band that surrounds the planet and is made up of various chemicals. We know for a fact that some of these chemicals trap heat aka greenhouse gasses. We know we’ve been pumping these greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere since the Industrial Revolution. We know the earth and its oceans have warmed up in this period, rising right along with our emission output. We know that never in history has the earth warmed so quickly, in the past things that took thousands of years has happened in less than 200. We either accept this or we perish, fungus, heat, and wheat, do not care about your political beliefs.

You can join us here in the tree of knowledge, or not, amigo.
 
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