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[redbeard331]

yeah formula E is silent, thats the point 😂

Are you aware of what Formula E is? Because being silent isn’t “the point”, currently, in the past, or the future.

You can read about their mission here to further enrich your mind on this matter.

Sustainability: Environmental Excellence - ABB FIA Formula E World Championship

How Formula E takes the lead on sustainable practice

www.fiaformulae.com

but remember, formula E is racing and therefore entertainment, i'm all about f1 ditching the current dyson vacuum cleaner and go back to the v8 or v10s, but thats for pure entertainment value. loud exotic will always be there, i'm sure you won't miss a few camry or civic on the road.

Imagine watching Star Wars with no sound, and I’d prefer you re-install the muffler on your Civic my friend.

 

[diamond.g]

i used to live in a high rise condo, most of my neighbors would love to get a tesla but the lack of charging infrasctuture ultimately pushed them away, having the ability to battery swap is a game changer for alot of folks in the city.

I am not sure battery swapping will be that big of a thing (in North America). If I own a battery I am not going to want to get a pack someone else potentially abused, and if I am renting a battery pack for a separate fee from the car am I really saving anything (versus owning, especially if the car is paid off)?

 

[webkit]

Well, so there are a lot of Subway restaurants too. What are you trying to say? BMW is like Subway. Nobody wants it, but some people still remmeber footlong commerical and talks about how many more cars they sell. There are more PC than Mac, so what? Does that mean PC is better?

I was responding to your nonsensical comment that BMWs are cars that "nobody wants" by pointing out that BMW sold a lot more cars last year than Tesla. If "nobody wants" BMWs (according to you) then things must be especially bad at Tesla.

 

[diamond.g]

I was responding to your nonsensical comment that BMWs are cars that "nobody wants" by pointing out that BMW sold a lot more cars last year than Tesla. If "nobody wants" BMWs (according to you) then things must be especially bad at Tesla.

To be fair, BMW does have a lot more models than Tesla (like 4 times as many) to sell.

 

[webkit]

To be fair, BMW does have a lot more models than Tesla (like 4 times as many) to sell.

They do have more models but, again, for someone to suggest "nobody wants" BMWs is ridiculous when they sold over 2.1 million cars last year and have been selling millions of cars for years.

 

[StellarVixen]

I just looked at this car, and it also fell to the plague of putting touchscreens everywhere.

With physical buttons and dials you develop muscle memory so you can do stuff like change the station, AC temperature, etc without looking away. If dials are made with audible and tactile feedback, you can even know how many clicks is enough. With touchscreens, muscle memory is impossible. You can use voice command, but voice command is not perfect, far from it.

Wouldn’t be surprised if soon steering wheel is gonna be on touchscreen also.

 

[sracer]

I am not sure battery swapping will be that big of a thing (in North America). If I own a battery I am not going to want to get a pack someone else potentially abused, and if I am renting a battery pack for a separate fee from the car am I really saving anything (versus owning, especially if the car is paid off)?

If battery exchanges work like propane tank exchanges, then that would be the thing that convinces me to seriously consider an EV.

The batteries would need to be examined and tested at the exchange center before they are recharged and reused. That would be an option. For those who don't want to do that, they can stick with the original battery pack.

But for those who do, then there would need to be an option at time of purchase to have these rental batteries pre-installed.

 

[StellarVixen]

If battery exchanges work like propane tank exchanges, then that would be the thing that convinces me to seriously consider an EV.

The batteries would need to be examined and tested at the exchange center before they are recharged and reused. That would be an option. For those who don't want to do that, they can stick with the original battery pack.

But for those who do, then there would need to be an option at time of purchase to have these rental batteries pre-installed.

Tesla promised quick swap, demo was impressive, but then reality was disappointing.

Maybe one day it will work as good as it did in the demo.

 

[diamond.g]

If battery exchanges work like propane tank exchanges, then that would be the thing that convinces me to seriously consider an EV.

The batteries would need to be examined and tested at the exchange center before they are recharged and reused. That would be an option. For those who don't want to do that, they can stick with the original battery pack.

But for those who do, then there would need to be an option at time of purchase to have these rental batteries pre-installed.

Yeah if I understand it correctly that is how NIO does its battery swap program. I think they have monthly mileage limitations on the packs they rent as well the try to keep the (degradation) curve consistent.

 

[diamond.g]

Tesla promised quick swap, demo was impressive, but then reality was disappointing.

Maybe one day it will work as good as it did in the demo.

Telsa had 1 battery swap station and determined folks didn't want to do it 🤷🏽‍♂️.

 

[ilikewhey]

I am not sure battery swapping will be that big of a thing (in North America). If I own a battery I am not going to want to get a pack someone else potentially abused, and if I am renting a battery pack for a separate fee from the car am I really saving anything (versus owning, especially if the car is paid off)?

they check the integrity of the battery before leasing it out to the next customer, and if you trade in a 30% full battery for a 100% charged one, you only pay 70% of the difference. each swap is around 15 bucks depending on the battery size you choose.

there are two options when purchasing, you can buy the car with the battery, or just buy the car and use the battery lease option at a significant discount.

 

[ilikewhey]

Tesla promised quick swap, demo was impressive, but then reality was disappointing.

Maybe one day it will work as good as it did in the demo.

tesla probably realized its too much to build out the supercharging network, and also install the battery swap stations. nio is able to do both in china due to heavy gov't incentives.

 

[ilikewhey]

If battery exchanges work like propane tank exchanges, then that would be the thing that convinces me to seriously consider an EV.

The batteries would need to be examined and tested at the exchange center before they are recharged and reused. That would be an option. For those who don't want to do that, they can stick with the original battery pack.

But for those who do, then there would need to be an option at time of purchase to have these rental batteries pre-installed.

its actually work better than propane tank exchange, once you drive into the designated area, the autonomous alignment system takes over and you just sit there while the robots swap out the battery from underneath. whole process takes about 5 mins, and you can choose if you want the 70kwh battery or 150kwh if you are going on a long trip.

 

[duffman9000]

I have been driving BMW's since 1999. I don't see the build quality of my Tesla to be any worse than that of the several BMW's I have owned over the years. My Model 3 handles every bit as good as my Z4 twin turbo, and it's faster.

Ugh yeah maybe you didn’t check your Tesla close enough. My Y definitely doesn’t match the build quality of my 10 year old Audi A4.

 

[duffman9000]

That's a really good point.

When I was thinking about getting one the first thing I did was look at my snowboard trip routes and see where the Super Chargers were so I could figure out how much of an inconvenience it may be.

I still see big rigs purposely blocking them along I-95 in the North East.

One more thing to consider when looking at superchargers along your route. Make sure it’s of a newer generation. Newer is much faster.

 

[tomtad]

You just know Tim has one

 

[masotime]

you can choose if you want the 70kwh battery or 150kwh if you are going on a long trip.

They have 150kWh batteries? That’s huge! I can’t think of an EV in the US market now that has such a large battery. Very curious now about the range.

 

[ilikewhey]

They have 150kWh batteries? That’s huge! I can’t think of an EV in the US market now that has such a large battery. Very curious now about the range.

yeah they announced it on nio day last year, slate for production h1 2023.

Nio's 150-kWh battery pack costs as much as an ET5, president says

Nio's 150-kWh pack will initially be available for lease only, with a buyout option to be offered in the future.

cnevpost.com

due to the high cost its only available for these with a battery subscription plan.

 

[Vref]

I’ve never like one in person, and I fly all over the country

It’s going to be a orphaned vehicle in a few years, that said electric cars seem like a disposable vehicle, doubt many will be on the road when they are 10yrs old, also seems like the people who buy them get a new car like many get a new phone, so doubt they care if the thing is orphaned in 4 years

 

[Vref]

Apple CarPlay maps are WAY better and more detailed than Tesla’s maps. Really wish Tesla would allow CarPlay.

Apple Maps is also quite safe from a tracking standpoint

 

[Vref]

BMW's have more tech than Teslas.

Is that a good thing?

 

[diamond.g]

They have 150kWh batteries? That’s huge! I can’t think of an EV in the US market now that has such a large battery. Very curious now about the range.

The GMC Hummer EV has a 200 kWh battery.

EDIT: as will the Silverado EV that is supposed to be released at the end of the year.

 

[PrecisionGem]

its actually work better than propane tank exchange, once you drive into the designated area, the autonomous alignment system takes over and you just sit there while the robots swap out the battery from underneath. whole process takes about 5 mins, and you can choose if you want the 70kwh battery or 150kwh if you are going on a long trip.

Is there a line waiting for the swap? What would happened if the number of EV drivers increased by 4 or 5 times or 20 times? I would think in the densely populated Chinese cities, where home charging is not an option, this swapping out makes sense. In most area's in the US, home charging would make more sense.
What is the cost of swapping out a battery?

 

[Vref]

Is there a line waiting for the swap? What would happened if the number of EV drivers increased by 4 or 5 times or 20 times? I would think in the densely populated Chinese cities, where home charging is not an option, this swapping out makes sense. In most area's in the US, home charging would make more sense.
What is the cost of swapping out a battery?

I think the chinese are only allowed by their regime to drive on certain days as it stands now

My understanding is swapping batteries on my electric cars doesn’t make financial sense from the start

If a Tesla takes physical battery damage most insurance companies will just total it out

Does not seem very environmentally friendly, but hey

 

[ilikewhey]

Is there a line waiting for the swap? What would happened if the number of EV drivers increased by 4 or 5 times or 20 times? I would think in the densely populated Chinese cities, where home charging is not an option, this swapping out makes sense. In most area's in the US, home charging would make more sense.
What is the cost of swapping out a battery?

according to the nio reddit group there hasn't been any complaints about line, but no doubt this will be a problem if supply don't meet demand, they are currently building up the infrastructure in europe and expanding out their existing network in china.

as for the cost, they have several options, you can either buy out the battery out right and they charge you based on swaps, or you buy the car minus the battery at a huge discount, and use their battery sub service. given how no one has complain about their pricing structure, i think its fairly priced.