Lucid Air Electric Vehicles Now Feature Wireless CarPlay Integration

[dcny]

Sorry you think that but clearly you haven’t had much experience with newer BMWs. Self lane change, assisted driving, and I don’t have to deal with the atrocious build quality Tesla has. Not to mention they’re great handling cars and fun to actually drive versus rely on automation all the time.

BMW has no technology. LOL. Safe? BMW is the worth car in term of safty. Comparing with Telsa, BMW just a dinosaur, a dying dinosaur that nobody wants to drive. They just can't innnovate anymore.

 

[masotime]

15 mins gets you maybe 200 miles from supercharger

This is a seriously optimistic estimate IMO. I could maybe see it happening if it were like almost 0% and pre-conditioned at a V3 Supercharger, but I'm not going to take the risk of 0% on a regular basis.

the correct interval you should be basing off is 30-35 mins, thats the normal time it takes for my model y to go from 20-80% assuming you pre condition your battery and everything.

Yes this 100%. I have to do this every time I drive to Tahoe.

 

[QCassidy352]

I’m so torn on electric cars, once you’ve heard a Lamborghini V12 with aftermarket exhaust echoing off of buildings as it roars down Sunset Blvd, cars that all sound like my vacuum just don’t do it for me, no matter how fast they can accelerate.

To each his own. After driving an EV for the last year, I despise the sound of a gas engine. I’ll take silence ten times out of ten.

Safe car... like Tesla? 🤣

Yes. The safest.

Until Tesla offers their own smartphone and gains a dominant position in the market, the quality of their car UI is irrelevant. People have their entire lives on their smartphones and offering only rudimentary connections to it in a modern vehicle is draconian.

My Tesla can wirelessly display my music, messages, phone book, and calendar from my iPhone. It’s just not the iPhone UI.

 

[dcny]

BMW (brand) sold 786,000 more new cars last year than Tesla.

Well, so there are a lot of Subway restaurants too. What are you trying to say? BMW is like Subway. Nobody wants it, but some people still remmeber footlong commerical and talks about how many more cars they sell. There are more PC than Mac, so what? Does that mean PC is better?

 

[dcny]

Electric is another Diesel gate in 10 years

This comments sounds like someone riding a horse and say cars are not going to replace the horses in the future LOL. Maybe that's why some people are still buying BMW. Just doesn't get the updates.

 

[ilikewhey]

This is a seriously optimistic estimate IMO. I could maybe see it happening if it were like almost 0% and pre-conditioned at a V3 Supercharger, but I'm not going to take the risk of 0% on a regular basis.



Yes this 100%. I have to do this every time I drive to Tahoe.

well its less optimistic than the 15 min every 4-5 hour recharge that i was referring to lol

 

[PrecisionGem]

Tesla is not opening up all chargers. It's opening up selected ones and some new ones they are installing. So if you drive down I-95, it could be 20 or 30% of time you can use Tesla chargers but rest you still need to rely on others. That is relevant.

'charging network' is literally one of top reasons to go with Tesla, not sure why you are minimizing the importance. Hate Tesla all you want, their SC can't be beat.

I wonder when they open up select chargers, how will people pay? I wouldn't think that a non Tesla would work the same as a Tesla where you just plug in and the charger recognizes your car, and bills your account. This is a nice feature, as in the past with my Bolt, it would as take some time to get the payment made and the charger going.
The Tesla charger network is one of the reasons I sold the Bolt and bought a Tesla. That and I like what Musk is doing with Twitter.

 

[PrecisionGem]

Sorry you think that but clearly you haven’t had much experience with newer BMWs. Self lane change, assisted driving, and I don’t have to deal with the atrocious build quality Tesla has. Not to mention they’re great handling cars and fun to actually drive versus rely on automation all the time.

I have been driving BMW's since 1999. I don't see the build quality of my Tesla to be any worse than that of the several BMW's I have owned over the years. My Model 3 handles every bit as good as my Z4 twin turbo, and it's faster.

 

[redbeard331]

To each his own. After driving an EV for the last year, I despise the sound of a gas engine. I’ll take silence ten times out of ten.

To be fair, and I know nothing about you, but for the average person, they are likely moving from something like a Camry, or a pickup truck, to an electric car. So I can see why silence would be preferable, now of course, your last car may have been a Lamborghini with a V12, but odds are very very high it was not. I think if it was, you’d prefer the sound of that V12 work of aural art to silence.

I drove one of those electric VW’s recently, and it was very strange to be able to drive off in virtual silence. Recently I also had the pleasure of witnessing a Tesla Plaid accelerate from a stop to to about 140, while it was impressive looking, it wasn’t as impressive as I had expected, here’s why. Since it was absolutely silent, seeing something slingshot away so quickly made it look like you were watching a video of a car that had been sped up, with the sound turned off. Without the audio stimulus you’d normally hear from a vehicle that can accelerate like that it was just…boring…

Anyone whose been to see a NHRA top fuel event can understand how important sound is, just imagine if top fuel and funny cars were silent and electric, ok now imagine what a snooze fest that would be. For people that haven’t experienced it, even if you’re not into cars you should go once in your life. You don’t just see and hear those things, you feel them. When they go by the air pressure thumps you in the chest like a series of sonic booms, and practically blurs your vision, it’s a truly mind bending experience. No words can truly describe it, it’s something you just have to witness in person, like a rocket launch.

For the record, I’m 100% pro electric cars and doing whatever can be done to save humanity from climate change, but I’m also a die hard car guy, so I’m torn. I’ve always hoped that eventually we’d come up with a renewable carbon neutral or even carbon negative fuel source so we could keep our internal combustion engines around. 🕶️

 

[pugxiwawa]

I wonder when they open up select chargers, how will people pay? I wouldn't think that a non Tesla would work the same as a Tesla where you just plug in and the charger recognizes your car, and bills your account. This is a nice feature, as in the past with my Bolt, it would as take some time to get the payment made and the charger going.
The Tesla charger network is one of the reasons I sold the Bolt and bought a Tesla. That and I like what Musk is doing with Twitter.

Non tesla EV owner will need to download same tesla app and set up payment inside. Then before charge need to select specific stall where it’s plugged in before it will work. Not completely seamless but beats having to swipe at the charger.

 

[jerryk]

This will be made largely irrelevant once Tesla opens up its network to other cars.



Yeah I guess this is a nice aspect. The software definitely seems to be considerably ahead of current competitors. This really is separate from the "charging network" argument though - at least the software is actually *in* the car.

Otherwise, is there any other argument other than “charging network”? That’s honestly a really weak argument to me for “better electric car”. I’m kind of disappointed, I was hoping for a more cogent argument.

Since you own a Y why did you buy it over all of the other EVs out there? You must have done some analysis of the various EV options and after that selected the Tesla product.

For me (3 and X owner) charging was part of it, as was performance, quietness due to lack of exhaust, safety in crashes, and handling because the weight is down low and 50/50 weight distribution. Non car pluses are the size of the company and convenient service locations. My sense is a lot of the smaller players will have financial viability issues in the near future.

 

[jerryk]

To be fair, and I know nothing about you, but for the average person, they are likely moving from something like a Camry, or a pickup truck, to an electric car. So I can see why silence would be preferable, now of course, your last car may have been a Lamborghini with a V12, but odds are very very high it was not. I think if it was, you’d prefer the sound of that V12 work of aural art to silence.

I drove one of those electric VW’s recently, and it was very strange to be able to drive off in virtual silence. Recently I also had the pleasure of witnessing a Tesla Plaid accelerate from a stop to to about 140, while it was impressive looking, it wasn’t as impressive as I had expected, here’s why. Since it was absolutely silent, seeing something slingshot away so quickly made it look like you were watching a video of a car that had been sped up, with the sound turned off. Without the audio stimulus you’d normally hear from a vehicle that can accelerate like that it was just…boring…

Anyone whose been to see a NHRA top fuel event can understand how important sound is, just imagine if top fuel and funny cars were silent and electric, ok now imagine what a snooze fest that would be. For people that haven’t experienced it, even if you’re not into cars you should go once in your life. You don’t just see and hear those things, you feel them. When they go by the air pressure thumps you in the chest like a series of sonic booms, and practically blurs your vision, it’s a truly mind bending experience. No words can truly describe it, it’s something you just have to witness in person, like a rocket launch.

For the record, I’m 100% pro electric cars and doing whatever can be done to save humanity from climate change, but I’m also a die hard car guy, so I’m torn. I’ve always hoped that eventually we’d come up with a renewable carbon neutral or even carbon negative fuel source so we could keep our internal combustion engines around. 🕶️

I have been to drag races since I was under 10. I have been to F1 and Indy cars races, etc. Raced motorcross and short track. Noise is nice, but if I ever hear a V-12 rattling the windows at Long Beach, or a nitro fuel dragster launch down the quarter it will be way too soon. Now that we have 6 place EV SUVs doing 0-60 under 3 seconds, big noise does not equate to power and speed in my book.

 

[duffman9000]

When parked at home, I kept my Bolt plugged in and charged to 100%. Chevy doesn't tell you not to charge to 100%. The range will vary, just like an ICE auto, with how you drive, and if you are running AC or heat. Cold weather also reduces the range. In the colder month in Maryland, I would get about 220 miles from a full charge, but in weather in th e 70's 300. Unlike the Tesla, the Bolt would adjust the range based on how are driving, if the heat or AC is on, and the condition of the battery due to the temperature. So in the cold months, if you start out, put on the heat, on a full charge the display would change to maybe 220 or 215 miles. A nice day, I have seen over 300. I never ran the car down to the point it died, but would start out a trip showing 300 miles, drive for 200 miles, and have the display show 100 miles range remaining.
The big advantage Tesla has over everyone else is the charging network. Many times with the bolt I would go to charge on a level 3 charger, only to find it was broken, or you could spend 10 minutes trying to get it to accept payment and start working. You end up with accounts from a bunch of different networks, and passwords apps etc. With Tesla, you just plug in charge, billing is automatic, and charging is fast.

I’m familiar with ChargePoint chargers. I don’t usually have problems with ChargePoint but sometimes there are problematic chargers. Sometimes the connector just won’t connect properly. To me the biggest shortcoming is the charger being limited to 30A. I have a 48A charger at home.

 

[masotime]

performance, quietness due to lack of exhaust, safety in crashes, and handling because the weight is down low and 50/50 weight distribution. Non car pluses are the size of the company and convenient service locations. My sense is a lot of the smaller players will have financial viability issues in the near future.

So you're saying all these are better characteristics the Model Y has over the Lucid Air? That's my actual question.

A lot of this seems like externalities around the car, not about the car itself. Again, these are reasons to buy the Model Y over the Lucid Air, but I don't consider these to be reasons why the Model Y is "the better car".

If it's so obvious, why did the original poster bother to buy the Lucid Air?

I don't understand why it keeps coming back to these points that are unrelated to the driving characteristics. I'm not interested in a decision on what car to buy, I'm just interested in whether there are specific driving dynamics of the physical car itself that make the Model Y better than the Lucid Air. It is an honest question with no agenda.

I'm not sure why everyone seems interested in changing the topic to be "Why I'll always buy a Tesla over a Lucid".

Do you actually own a Lucid Air over the Model Y and can tell me why the Model Y drives better than the Lucid Air?

 

[ilikewhey]

To be fair, and I know nothing about you, but for the average person, they are likely moving from something like a Camry, or a pickup truck, to an electric car. So I can see why silence would be preferable, now of course, your last car may have been a Lamborghini with a V12, but odds are very very high it was not. I think if it was, you’d prefer the sound of that V12 work of aural art to silence.

I drove one of those electric VW’s recently, and it was very strange to be able to drive off in virtual silence. Recently I also had the pleasure of witnessing a Tesla Plaid accelerate from a stop to to about 140, while it was impressive looking, it wasn’t as impressive as I had expected, here’s why. Since it was absolutely silent, seeing something slingshot away so quickly made it look like you were watching a video of a car that had been sped up, with the sound turned off. Without the audio stimulus you’d normally hear from a vehicle that can accelerate like that it was just…boring…

Anyone whose been to see a NHRA top fuel event can understand how important sound is, just imagine if top fuel and funny cars were silent and electric, ok now imagine what a snooze fest that would be. For people that haven’t experienced it, even if you’re not into cars you should go once in your life. You don’t just see and hear those things, you feel them. When they go by the air pressure thumps you in the chest like a series of sonic booms, and practically blurs your vision, it’s a truly mind bending experience. No words can truly describe it, it’s something you just have to witness in person, like a rocket launch.

For the record, I’m 100% pro electric cars and doing whatever can be done to save humanity from climate change, but I’m also a die hard car guy, so I’m torn. I’ve always hoped that eventually we’d come up with a renewable carbon neutral or even carbon negative fuel source so we could keep our internal combustion engines around. 🕶️

i have to disagree, my past ride include merc amg, mclaren 570gt, and AM rapide, yes the sound is intoxicating, but you can't say EV is worse off cause its silent, its just different. the one factor i love about my model Y is the stealth factor, i don't piss off my neighbor when i pull out on a sunday morning, and when i floor it i don't have to always keep an eye on the rear view mirror trying to see if i got a red and blue flashing.

although i can't say much about NHRA drag events, i been to alot of formula 1 gp in both the v8 and v6 hybrid era. but you can't really compare that type of experience to the road.

 

[duffman9000]

I’m so torn on electric cars, once you’ve heard a Lamborghini V12 with aftermarket exhaust echoing off of buildings as it roars down Sunset Blvd, cars that all sound like my vacuum just don’t do it for me, no matter how fast they can accelerate.

Wait to hear that at home when people decide to rev their engines at all times of the day. I wish a car accident on people who do it in my neighborhood.

 

[duffman9000]

So you're saying all these are better characteristics the Model Y has over the Lucid Air? That's my actual question.

A lot of this seems like externalities around the car, not about the car itself. Again, these are reasons to buy the Model Y over the Lucid Air, but I don't consider these to be reasons why the Model Y is "the better car".

If it's so obvious, why did the original poster bother to buy the Lucid Air?

I don't understand why it keeps coming back to these points that are unrelated to the driving characteristics. I'm not interested in a decision on what car to buy, I'm just interested in whether there are specific driving dynamics of the physical car itself that make the Model Y better than the Lucid Air. It is an honest question with no agenda.

I'm not sure why everyone seems interested in changing the topic to be "Why I'll always buy a Tesla over a Lucid".

Do you actually own a Lucid Air over the Model Y and can tell me why the Model Y drives better than the Lucid Air?

The Y doesn’t even handle better than a 3. I’ve driven both Performance models.

The Air is a sports sedan and I expect it to handle much better than a 3. I really like the Air and would pick it over a Model S.

 

[masotime]

The Y doesn’t even handle better than a 3. I’ve driven both Performance models.

The Air is a sports sedan and I expect it to handle much better than a 3. I really like the Air and would pick it over a Model S.

Yup, this is what I've been reading as well, along with much greater range, which is why I'm curious about the claim that the Model Y "a better electric car". The OP must have had reasons, so I'm interested to hear what they are. It's counter to what I've read.

It could be all the reasons the others have posted. That would disappoint me though - because all that stuff is very easy to research - you don't need to drive it to find out - so why even consider getting the Lucid Air if these easily researched characteristics make the decision clear that the Model Y a preferable choice?

 

[duffman9000]

Yup, this is what I've been reading as well, along with much greater range, which is why I'm curious about the claim that the Model Y "a better electric car". The OP must have had reasons, so I'm interested to hear what they are. It's counter to what I've read.

It could be all the reasons the others have posted. That would disappoint me though - because all that stuff is very easy to research - you don't need to drive it to find out - so why even consider getting the Lucid Air if these easily researched characteristics make the decision clear that the Model Y a preferable choice?

I don’t know why anyone would say that lol. I have a Y Performance and yea it’s fast and fun to drive in a straight line. But it’s a SUV and the 3 handles much better.

Finding a fast charger is much easier when owning a Tesla, but charging using a Supercharger during the day is much more expensive. It can be higher than 50 cents a kwhr. That’s hella expensive and approaches gas prices. Charging from midnight to 4am is much cheaper (in high teens per kwhr). None of these things make my Y a better electric vehicle than an Air.

 

[ilikewhey]

I don’t know why anyone would say that lol. I have a Y Performance and yea it’s fast and fun to drive in a straight line. But it’s a SUV and the 3 handles much better.

Finding a fast charger is much easier when owning a Tesla, but charging using a Supercharger during the day is much more expensive. It can be higher than 50 cents a kwhr. That’s hella expensive and approaches gas prices. Charging from midnight to 4am is much cheaper (in high teens per kwhr). None of these things make my Y a better electric vehicle than an Air.

not sure why the y is even being compared to the air, its sedan vs suv. ofcourse a sedan will handle better.

 

[redbeard331]

I have been to drag races since I was under 10. I have been to F1 and Indy cars races, etc. Raced motorcross and short track. Noise is nice, but if I ever hear a V-12 rattling the windows at Long Beach, or a nitro fuel dragster launch down the quarter it will be way too soon. Now that we have 6 place EV SUVs doing 0-60 under 3 seconds, big noise does not equate to power and speed in my book.

 

[redbeard331]

Wait to hear that at home when people decide to rev their engines at all times of the day. I wish a car accident on people who do it in my neighborhood.

Anything can be mis-used brother.

 

[redbeard331]

i have to disagree, my past ride include merc amg, mclaren 570gt, and AM rapide, yes the sound is intoxicating, but you can't say EV is worse off cause its silent, its just different. the one factor i love about my model Y is the stealth factor, i don't piss off my neighbor when i pull out on a sunday morning, and when i floor it i don't have to always keep an eye on the rear view mirror trying to see if i got a red and blue flashing.

although i can't say much about NHRA drag events, i been to alot of formula 1 gp in both the v8 and v6 hybrid era. but you can't really compare that type of experience to the road.

Hello and a splendid evening to you my landlord.

Since you have owned those vehicles you know what I’m talking about, yes electric cars have their upsides, I just don’t want to see all ice vehicles go away as it wouldn’t be the same.

The Formula E race I saw was soooo boring, it was like watching a basketball game with the sound off on the tv. Just weird. Imagine going to any live sports event like a basketball or a football game and it was dead silent in the arena the whole time, it just wouldn’t be the same experience.

 

[ilikewhey]

Hello and a splendid evening to you my landlord.

Since you have owned those vehicles you know what I’m talking about, yes electric cars have their upsides, I just don’t want to see all ice vehicles go away as it wouldn’t be the same.

The Formula E race I saw was soooo boring, it was like watching a basketball game with the sound off on the tv. Just weird. Imagine going to any live sports event like a basketball or a football game and it was dead silent in the arena the whole time, it just wouldn’t be the same experience.

yeah formula E is silent, thats the point 😂

but remember, formula E is racing and therefore entertainment, i'm all about f1 ditching the current dyson vacuum cleaner and go back to the v8 or v10s, but thats for pure entertainment value. loud exotic will always be there, i'm sure you won't miss a few camry or civic on the road.

 

[bigchrisfgb]

Electric is another Diesel gate in 10 years

I don’t think it will be, but I do think manufacturers are going to far down the electric road when Hydrogen is the future.