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M1 MacBook Pro Replaces Low-End Model, Higher-End Intel Options Still Available

aoverflow said:
I highly doubt the M1 can outperform AMD 4900HS inside Zephyrus G14, which is a 14’’ windows laptop.
I mean, I don’t even doubt, I bet it cannot

Well, at least it ain’t Intel as well, probably that’s the key
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Trust me, in RAW power, the Zephyrus G14 will be out powered by the M1 from the 13" MBP.
both has 16gb Ram , only the mac has unified memory, and lets not forget how heavy is windows 10....so keep dreaming that the Zephyrus G14 can outperformed the 13" macbook pro
Did you have the dev kit mac mini with A12Z ?
Zephyrus G14 will throttle for sure under load...because the perf/w is no wear near the MBP M1. So less heat too.
better SSD also, better I/O also
 
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SuperCachetes said:
As I watched them start with the cheaper models, all I could think was "this is brilliant." For two reasons:

One, they are releasing and positioning these lower-end models this way because they are something a normal consumer who doesn't even understand what CISC/x86/etc are can just go buy because they like Macs. Likely, x86 emulation isn't something they care about, and they don't have any Windows-only legacy audio or scientific apps laying around that they depend on.

Two, because of that market, they are getting away from gHz and clock speeds and all that junk. They are almost to the "Good/Better/Best" style of marketing. Fine with me, though I'm definitely fascinated by the Anandtech-level specs on these.

I really cannot wait for the real-world performance comparison between the M1 MBP and the Intel version. If the "low-end" M1 kicks the Intel versions' asses. that is gonna make waves.
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Finally someone get's it. But I do wonder why they felt the need to release a 13''' pro. It just delutes the "pro" term even more. They turned the 13'' line into an iPhone class which different itself with ports and battery life etc. instead of power ;D But the air is really promising if you are looking for a basic laptop.
 
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Battery life is very exciting.

My 2013 Pro has another year left in it but I think MBA is for me
 
shplock said:
You do not need 32gb ram in the M1 MacBooks. I will explain for those who insist on moaning no matter what. It is a different architecture to Intel and therefore is MORE efficient with memory.
A good clue is the fact that Apple refer to the ram as unified memory architecture.
So you can do more with less memory with the M1 than with Intel as we all know that Intel systems are notorious memory bandwidth hogs.
More memory will come with time as well, when the higher end systems are released as these are just over end systems.
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Obviously, looks M1 is targeting Intel ULV chips. For low power CPU standpoint, I think that's quite impressive.

That's explain why only 16GB RAM for now, and the current model offered in M1 package is considered low end Mac model. iMac and MBP version must be beefier.
 
meru890 said:
Finally someone get's it. But I do wonder why they felt the need to release a 13''' pro. It just delutes the "pro" term even more. They turned the 13'' line into an iPhone class which different itself with ports and battery life etc. instead of power ;D But the air is really promising if you are looking for a basic laptop.
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Part of me wonders if they did it to off-load some bulk parts.

I didn't expect to see a 13" Pro.

I would've put money on Apple updating the 13" to be a 14.1" with smaller bezels and true dedicated GPU.
 
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They are not selling Intel and M1 chips because they occupy different power segments in the laptop market, they are selling them both because right now many people will still want to buy an Intel Mac due to the available software. Apple would be definitely losing on sales if they stopped selling them right now.

Expect the Intel models to go away when almost all major software has an Apple
silicon version, not when the high-end AS chips come out.
 
People seem very very confused about all this. The general public never fail to amaze me how stupid they are and that in marketing you can never over explain anything, even if you think you're being patronising, someone, somewhere, won't get it.
 
this is not good news. It means that people laying/needing to buy the last/best intel Mac have to guess when that might be or risk missing out. Apple really does live inside their own reality distortion field.
 
Funny how quickly some people are to condemn that which they do not know. I did a search of the M1 and Geekbench and found some interesting results. The geekbench 5 multi-core scores around 7220, that is even faster than the MBP 16 using intel chips. While not confirmed, it does make sense, the A14 Bionic is around 4200 in a more thermally constrained configuration, the M1 has 2 additional high performance cores and probably faster ram (which is a big on geekbenching), so 7220? Maybe. But, if so, faster than the intel versions by far.

I personally have 16gb on my MBP 15, but almost never use that much, so 32 is not a feature I would need. The SSDs are supposedly extremely fast (faster than the already fast SSDs). Personally, with that much extra speed and really fast SSDs, you probably wouldn't even notice using virtual memory instead of 32 GB.

I can't wait to see the actual results.
 
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Chargr said:
There is a good chance you don’t need 32gb of ram. 16gb is enough for MANY users.
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In a low end machine, which these clearly are, you're probably right. But not in a power user machine. 32 is table stakes these days, and 64 if you want to future proof.
 
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MauiPa said:
Funny how quickly some people are to condemn that which they do not know. I did a search of the M1 and Geekbench and found some interesting results. The geekbench 5 multi-core scores around 7220, that is even faster than the MBP 16 using intel chips. While not confirmed, it does make sense, the A14 Bionic is around 4200 in a more thermally constrained configuration, the M1 has 2 additional high performance cores and probably faster ram (which is a big on geekbenching), so 7220? Maybe. But, if so, faster than the intel versions by far.

I personally have 16gb on my MBP 15, but almost never use that much, so 32 is not a feature I would need. The SSDs are supposedly extremely fast (faster than the already fast SSDs). Personally, with that much extra speed and really fast SSDs, you probably wouldn't even notice using virtual memory instead of 32 GB.

I can't wait to see the actual results.
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Virtual memory is vastly slower than silicon...orders of magnitude, and that doesn't count the swap overhead.

these are the entry level machines though, so 16 is probably fine for the low end options.
 
guzhogi said:
Can someone explain to me the difference between the new M1 MBA & MBP? Both seem very similar. I get the MBP has Touch Bar, and the specs say a better speaker & microphone system. Anything else?
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Apple's website has a nice page for comparing models. (click the link)

Additional Pro differences (to the ones you mentioned):
- Brighter screen
- Longer battery life
- It will also likely run sustained workloads significantly faster because it has a fan and the Air does not
 
shplock said:
You do not need 32gb ram in the M1 MacBooks.
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I agree that moaning about it is useless. The architecture isn't built for it. Wait for the M1x.

I would add however, that needing/wanting more power and specs isn't a bad thing.

shplock said:
MORE efficient with memory.
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As someone else stated, it's not about efficiency, it's about longevity.
shplock said:
So you can do more with less memory with the M1 than with Intel as we all know that Intel systems are notorious memory bandwidth hogs.
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Intel systems are bandwidth hogs. Windows systems are. Ubuntu and Mac OS X sip RAM.

decisions said:
They are not selling Intel and M1 chips because they occupy different power segments in the laptop market, they are selling them both because right now many people will still want to buy an Intel Mac due to the available software. Apple would be definitely losing on sales if they stopped selling them right now.

Expect the Intel models to go away when almost all major software has an Apple
silicon version, not when the high-end AS chips come out.
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I agree. They did just that during the transition to Intel.

Add to this, the fact that the M1s are Apple's low-end, Rev A chips going into this transition.

MauiPa said:
Funny how quickly some people are to condemn that which they do not know. I did a search of the M1 and Geekbench and found some interesting results. The geekbench 5 multi-core scores around 7220, that is even faster than the MBP 16 using intel chips. While not confirmed, it does make sense, the A14 Bionic is around 4200 in a more thermally constrained configuration, the M1 has 2 additional high performance cores and probably faster ram (which is a big on geekbenching), so 7220? Maybe. But, if so, faster than the intel versions by far.

I personally have 16gb on my MBP 15, but almost never use that much, so 32 is not a feature I would need. The SSDs are supposedly extremely fast (faster than the already fast SSDs). Personally, with that much extra speed and really fast SSDs, you probably wouldn't even notice using virtual memory instead of 32 GB.

I can't wait to see the actual results.
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I'm curious to know if that was with the developer Mac mini kit or a system running iOS? The iPad Pro outperforms the 16" MBP but it's harder to compare since the iOS apps are coded specifically for the Apple chips.
 
When all you guys are wining here, I have ordered mine already. it will come on Nov 24th. Actually, I will also trade in my 2018 i9 MBP 32GB, I am going lite now. I don't do much development anymore. If I do, I still have my beefy windows machine for me to torture. 😃
 
Digital Skunk said:
The problem here is this means nothing years down the road. The best upgrade a user can make to increase system performance is to the RAM. If it's unified, then no aftermarket upgrades seem possible. If no upgrades, then a user's best option is to purchase as much as possible from the get-go.

16GBs won't be much 5+ years down the road.
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I don't know… this is a paradigm shift, not an incremental upgrade. Will that reasoning be correct?
 
MallardDuck said:
this is not good news. It means that people laying/needing to buy the last/best intel Mac have to guess when that might be or risk missing out. Apple really does live inside their own reality distortion field.
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Mallacrhy! According to some early results, these are faster than the intel versions still being sold (geek bench 5 of around 7220), so even with using virtual memory you probably wouldn't care if you didn't have 32 gb of ram. Need intel versions? Well if that means you use Macs to runs windows software, you would still have to pay the intel tax (they definitely don't give their chips away!), or just use Windows machines (but I upgraded to Macs, and Ain't looking back).

So I can definitely see it is good news. Can't understand why there is any bad news here at all
 
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Serban55 said:
Trust me, in RAW power, the Zephyrus G14 will be out powered by the M1 from the 13" MBP.
both has 16gb Ram , only the mac has unified memory, and lets not forget how heavy is windows 10....so keep dreaming that the Zephyrus G14 can outperformed the 13" macbook pro
Did you have the dev kit mac mini with A12Z ?
Zephyrus G14 will throttle for sure under load...because the perf/w is no wear near the MBP M1. So less heat too.
better SSD also, better I/O also
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I would love to find out you are being right. Waiting for reviews and benchmarks
 
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