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And like I said, there's still room for the Intel versions.

Sure, 32GBs may be overkill, but it's not if you plan on owning your machine for 5+ years.

Happy with the improvements, but if I were looking for a new machine now I'd buy a used machine and wait until the M1+ or M2 (the next chip with more RAM and better GPU)
maybe. but early indications are a geekbench 5 of 7220 (way faster than a MBP 16 using intel). The ram bandwidth sounds very fast, the SSD sounds fast, so even with using virtual memory when you needed it, you would still be faster than an intel version
 
Forgive me if I missed this in an article or another thread but what is the difference between the M1 in the Air vs the M1 in the MBP? Is it the exact same processor with different other internals and fan vs no fan so better thermals and less throttling?
 
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maybe. but early indications are a geekbench 5 of 7220 (way faster than a MBP 16 using intel). The ram bandwidth sounds very fast, the SSD sounds fast, so even with using virtual memory when you needed it, you would still be faster than an intel version
Oh don't worry I don't doubt that.

If nothing else these Rev A machines have my mouth watering for what Apple can do with some time and developer feedback.

I'm sure the M2x and M5x+ Pro (😆) chips are going to SMOKE the competition. My iPad Pro running Photoshop is way faster than my 16" MBP.
 
As soon as I saw that it was 16 GB I knew people would complain. Some of you talking about a chip with better efficiency, how would that help? It is still 16 GB. And is split between cpus and the gpu.

But I am sure 16 GB is enough for normal usage of mac OS. I am more interested in what bandwidth this will have and how fast the SSD is. That might help it a little bit when swapping, if that’s a thing in mac OS?
 
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It's wild how much they described improved performance in these new (lower end models) compared with the higher end models, but kept those in the higher end market
They did not say that, they were comparing always with “top seller pc” or “pc in the same price range”, or “previous Mac model” without a direct comparison with any specific intel processor. In fact, when they mentioned benchmarks they were always mention performance gains in using Apple apps, which clearly are well optimized for AS. They sold the chip very well but also “playing at home” and with a really careful wording.

Basically, we need to wait for the benchmarks next week. I would say that the M1 will be on pair or slightly better than the current base options, which I think that is already positive taking into account other benefits (battery life on laptops)
 
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Very surprised that Apple didn't Announce new lower-end models of the MacBook Air & MacBook Pro 13" !

NOT simply replacements for what had been their low-end model in each category !

The prices for each are $200 USD more than I expected !

Expected $799 USD & $1,099 USD, respectively.

That would (very-likely) have triggered a nice surge in sales.

As it stands, I don't see it !

The iPad Air 4 with an Ext. Keyboard is a much better, & higher value, solution !

The main benefit of Apple Silicon is that it can (ALSO) run iOS apps.

I give Apple's pricing strategy (for their new Macs) a D-.

All three new models will sell, but Apple had a chance to do something really special (i.e., double their market share).

As it stands, their % of the market won't change !

They priced them too high !
 
So the question is how do the new “low end” Macs compare to the core i5 machines?? The low end Macs have better battery life, and WiFi 6, but less thunderbolt ports. How does a “pro” machine only have two thunderbolt ports?

Will wait until benchmarks are released.

Because this replaces the low end Pro which only had two. The higher end MB Pro remain Intel until Apple updates those.
 
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Forgive me if I missed this in an article or another thread but what is the difference between the M1 in the Air vs the M1 in the MBP? Is it the exact same processor with different other internals and fan vs no fan so better themals and less throttling?
The MBP has 1 more gpu core over the MBA.
 
When all you guys are wining here, I have ordered mine already. it will come on Nov 24th. Actually, I will also trade in my 2018 i9 MBP 32GB, I am going lite now. I don't do much development anymore. If I do, I still have my beefy windows machine for me to torture. 😃
Sell it third-party. Don't trade it in. You'll still get quite a bit of money for that laptop.
 
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They did not say that, they were comparing always with “top seller pc” or “pc in the same price range”, or “previous Mac model” without a direct comparison with any specific intel processor. In fact, when they mentioned benchmarks they were always mention performance gains in using Apple apps, which clearly are well optimized for AS. They sold the chip very well but also “playing at home” and with a really careful wording.

Basically, we need to wait for the benchmarks next week. I would say that the M1 will be on pair or slightly better than the current base options, which I think that is already positive taking into account other benefits (battery life on laptops)

I should have been paying more attention, lol. I just heard, best...fastest...best...best...most efficient...super duperest...bestest...most amazingest...to everything in the world (and 98% of pcs)!
 
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These new laptops are amazing, but the one letdown is the bezels, jeez Apple, what's with the fat bezels in 2020? It's really annoying we could fit a larger screen in there, when you're talking about 13" vs 14" that's a big difference in usability.
 
You’d think the M1 prices would be dramatically less since we no longer have to pay the exorbitant Intel cpu core prices :rolleyes:
But just like when Apple removed the charger and earphones from the iPhone, they didn't drop the price of the iPhone. They just increase their margins.
 
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I think we are going to see first reviews and benchmarks in order to get conclusions about M1 and specially Rosetta 2 real performance.

For now, I think I had made a good decision to buy a 2020 13" MBP 4 ports with 16/512. Compatibility and reliability is better for me than battery life and 'native good performance'.

And, the good news is because of this, we will going to see many macOS updates over the years to come.
 
For people with special legacy tasks, they gotta pay up to get the old stuff that Apple doesn't want to support anymore.
What in the world is a "legacy" task? Do you just pull stuff out of your behind because you don't use computers for actual work? So when Apple decides to make the transition to ASc, all of a sudden anything people do through Bootcamp or Parallels Desktop becomes a "legacy" task? :rolleyes:
 
The problem here is this means nothing years down the road. The best upgrade a user can make to increase system performance is to the RAM. If it's unified, then no aftermarket upgrades seem possible. If no upgrades, then a user's best option is to purchase as much as possible from the get-go.

16GBs won't be much 5+ years down the road.

We are almost in 2021, and you still talking about upgradeable RAM? Apple hasn't had an upgradeable RAM laptop since 2012. If anyone really needs 16GB now, it's obvious that if you want your computer to last better wait for the higher 13" MBP and 16" MBP that will have 32GB next year. Apple said it's a 2 year transition anyway, don't expect everything to be done in day 0.
 
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Back then with IBM's OS/2 warp, they would advertise that it would only need 4MB memory to run entire OS. IT did run well too. But don't let marketing hype fake you over (responding to original OP)
Yes it did run extremely well. But it was not pretty OR user friendly. Windows ran like sh*t - but was pretty (at the time)
 
The problem here is this means nothing years down the road. The best upgrade a user can make to increase system performance is to the RAM. If it's unified, then no aftermarket upgrades seem possible. If no upgrades, then a user's best option is to purchase as much as possible from the get-go.

16GBs won't be much 5+ years down the road.

I can guarantee 16gb of ram will last users for 7-10 years.

Getting 32gb of ram to future proof is stupid waste of money. In 7-10 years you are still going to get a new computer.
Also 32gb ram with old cpu and hardware is not going to work better than tech in the future with faster cpu and ram type
 
How does a “pro” machine only have two thunderbolt ports?
It’s as “pro” as the two port system it replaced. Which, you know, just a name. :)

I highly doubt the M1 can outperform AMD 4900HS inside Zephyrus G14, which is a 14’’ windows laptop.
I mean, I don’t even doubt, I bet it cannot

Well, at least it ain’t Intel as well, probably that’s the key
I think a good benchmark would be to get an AMD 4900HS side by side to see if Apple’s solution still handles Final Cut Pro as well or better than that AMD machine. I’m guessing Apple would do quite a bit better.

The iPad Air 4 with an Ext. Keyboard is a much better, & higher value, solution !
Apple realizes this, that’s why “low cost” options are always iOS/iPadOS options. Folks who just HAVE to use macOS are going to pay more to do so, they always have.

Intel versions appear to be more expense and slower than their M1 counterparts so basically you're paying a premium to still have an x86 chip.
Pretty much. If most of your work is in Apple’s Pro apps and you don’t have a complex configuration of plug-ins you depend on, buying an Intel system today means doing what you do slower for more money.
 
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With Steve still alive - the first M1 would have wiped the floor with competing Intel silicon - not only the low end ones ...
 
Only two usb4/thunderbolt ports on the new MacBook Pro is a deal breaker for me. I ordered one and then cancelled it as soon as I realized it had this limitation.
 
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