M1 Max Chip May Have More Raw GPU Performance Than a PlayStation 5

[Stella]

Okay, so shove one in a Mac mini, add USB ports on the front, bundle it with With Apple Arcade and boom: instant games console.

You can do that now with the M1 Mac Mini.

Have you seen the games on Apple Arcade? Mac Mini is totally wasted ( over powered ) because the games are aimed towards less powerful mobile devices ( iDevices ) . Also, almost all of those games are cr@p, personally, I'd rather play PC Games than mobile, given the choice.

 

[falkon-engine]

I'm seeing a lot of posts about the lack of MacOS games to take advantage of the new GPUs. Sure, I agree. But you're overlooking the other major benefit of the GPU - acceleration for content-creation tasks. Those represent some of the most computation-intensive tasks for common workloads and the M1 Max will elevate portable performance to obscene levels for those roles.

Not everyone uses their gpu for content creation tasks. Many just want to game and can’t on macOS at least not like they can on windows.

 

[bbplayer5]

I still think Apple is going to make a console for gaming. They make everything in house, make the money back on games.

 

[Serban55]

I'm seeing a lot of posts about the lack of MacOS games to take advantage of the new GPUs. Sure, I agree. But you're overlooking the other major benefit of the GPU - acceleration for content-creation tasks. Those represent some of the most computation-intensive tasks for common workloads and the M1 Max will elevate portable performance to obscene levels for those roles.

exactly, for us that using Maya, final cut pro is a no-competiton out there..but again, i understand gaming as well, and now, at this level when you have the M1 pro competing with 3060 and the M1 max with the 3070/3080...power

 

[dantracht]

Not disputing how impressive these chips are but ALRIGHT ALREADY.

How many GD articles do we need about this?

Next article: M1 Max chips allow new MBP to actually make popcorn, will pop out of HDMI slot. All without the use of the new fans!

BTW: said I wouldn't but I did order one of these. Couldn't resist. I know, I'm a sucker.

 

[Scott6666]

And practically impossible to buy one at the moment!

The moment? You mean like the last year and a half.

 

[TracerAnalog]

Great, lets all pray for a similar-specs in next Mac Mini. Sorry, but I can't buy machines with serious/ridiculous design flows. I proved so right with touchbar macbooks which never bought, I believe I'm right again.

Design flaws, such as?

 

[nicho]

I'm seeing a lot of posts about the lack of MacOS games to take advantage of the new GPUs. Sure, I agree. But you're overlooking the other major benefit of the GPU - acceleration for content-creation tasks. Those represent some of the most computation-intensive tasks for common workloads and the M1 Max will elevate portable performance to obscene levels for those roles.

Could this be because it's a thread comparing performance to a games console...

Macs are literally infinitely better at content-creation tasks... even a 2008 Macbook Pro is better at content creation than a PS5 for the simple reason that it can.

 

[citysnaps]

Utilizes or uses 70% less power. Dissipate would be to shed or get rid of, as in dissipates heat.

I like dissipates. It (and other laptop components that dissipate heat) speak to the overall thermal considerations and required engineering trades (fans, spreaders, throttling, surface area, weight, etc.) needed to "get rid of" unwanted heat that can cause component, and ultimately, laptop failure.

 

[Serban55]

Look, the M1, M1 Pro, M1 Max are really impressive but the fact of the matter is if you want to play AAA titles it’s not going to be on the Mac. And i’m not trying to throw shade, it’s reality.

Now as far as your price example, here’s one. I purchased an HP Omen 30L directly from Amazon for $1999.99 and it has the following specs. i9-10850K, 32GB of Ram, 1TB Nvme, Wifi 6, RTX 3080. I can play the latest games in 4K pushing 60FPS.

The problem with the Mac is the same Linux has wrt Games. Who is willing to spend time writing the games to run on a Mac? Game Publishers are budget constrained and in order to recoup their enormous investments, they have to target the biggest audience and that’s the PC crowd.

It’s no different with the consoles. Publishers and developers may target a specific console because of the user base. So regarding the Mac, it’s not about specs but rather user base and who wants to invest in making the game run on the M1 series chips. It did not happen when Apple was using Intel chips so it’s highly doubtful things will change with the M chips.

That said, i’m very impressed with what Apple has pulled off.

thats why big companies like Blizzard came in just a few weeks with native WOW..and a lot others?Again, you have to be sure they work ok on M1 cpu+gpu thats why a lot heavier gpu are not on mac platform yet...but now, they started to have the hardware
Again, i understand the budget constrained from the small/medium publishers...but not the big one
And, this architecture will translate to the consoles in 8-9 years when they will also go arm
Again, big publisher/developers can translate an AAA BIG game (like WoW, not like CSgo) in a matter of weeks/months
The transition is paid a lot less, so the cost is not the same as it is for building a game from scratch
Again, mac platform is less than 15% of the market..of course but from now on..you have to consider that your new game that you will start and be ready in 3-4 years..have to be arm compatible also since both intel and amd are working hard for arm SoC, and the mobile gaming out-past the desktop one years ago. The x86 is too expensive and too heat constraint in a world where the devices got smaller and smaller in the last decades

 

[Pezimak]

That's nice, shame the PS5 was compared to mid range cards of last year in its performance, so no these new Mac laptops don't have the power Apple claims using that assumption compared to new modern gaming laptops.
And Apple has never and will never support games. Plus most gamers won't want a notch at the top of their games screens...

All in this was a stupid obscure comparison for Apple to make.

 

[NBAasDOGG]

yes, in the x86 world its around 200W range

Are you actually telling me that X86 magically switches transistors is such a way that it consumes 200W+ for 10.4TF, but not for ARM64? 🤡

Do even understand the meaning of floating point operations?

It’s like saying 5km/h is different on X86 when compared ARM64 🤣

 

[BootsWalking]

Not everyone uses their gpu for content creation tasks. Many just want to game and can’t on macOS at least not like they can on windows.

And not everyone plays games, thus the point of my post, which is that GPUs aren't one-trick ponies.

 

[JCCL]

So much power, and yet it plays smartphone games

 

[TallManNY]

The PS5 is sold at a loss.

Not by the scalpers.

 

[Kwstas]

Design flaws, such as?

Notch, Touchbar etc are design flaws. Big -temporary- design mistakes.

 

[Bull 07]

Chicken and the egg situation. Hardware had to exist first, before games would be made.

great answer.

 

[alexfoxy]

Notch, Touchbar etc are design flaws. Big -temporary- design mistakes.

I'd say the Touchbar was a much more annoying addition than the notch. It raised the price of the machine and reduced function. The notch does neither.

 

[AndyMacAndMic]

And not everyone plays games, thus the point of my post, which is that GPUs aren't one-trick ponies.

Agreed, but the subject of this thread is about comparing the M1-Max to a PS5. So it makes sense that this thread is all about games and not about content creation.

 

[Mockletoy]

If Apple wanted these machines to appeal to gamers they would do the logical thing and reach out to games studios to offer help and incentives for getting a few AAA games ported to macOS to get the ball rolling.

Given all this GPU power, there’s really no excuse anymore.

 

[pankajdoharey]

Its about time Apple should make a dedicated console. What are they waiting for? They make the best chips on the market, they sell the most games on Appstore, their gaming revenues are higher than XBox , Nintendo, Sony and Activision combined. What gives Apple? Tim Apple make a Console man.

 

[NightFox]

Chicken and the egg situation. Hardware had to exist first, before games would be made.

Yep, but it's not just the hardware existing, it's the numbers. There's got to be enough M1 Max Macs out there for games studios to know they're going to get enough return on the cost of developing ARM-based versions of their AAA titles (I don't see anyone developing an AAA Mac-exclusive).

 

[bbeagle]

and yet Apple dropped the ball by not having one game announcment from an AAA publisher.

Games on the new mac are like Final Cut or Logic pro on the M1 iPad... we have sooooo much power... for nothing.

If you want games, buy an Xbox or PS. I don't need games on my Mac.

 

[ProfessionalFan]

Its about time Apple should make a dedicated console. What are they waiting for? They make the best chips on the market, they sell the most games on Appstore, their gaming revenues are higher than XBox , Nintendo, Sony and Activision combined. What gives Apple? Tim Apple make a Console man.

The AppleJack controller looked kinda cool for the Pippin, maybe they can bring that back if they ever make another gaming console.

 

[NBAasDOGG]

Apple is all about efficiency, and has more graphics performance than PS5 while supporting far less games.

Sony has more games per watt than Apple. Apple needs to work to woo developers to bring their AAA games to macOS.

You actually believe that Apple has more graphics performance than a PS5?
Just for your own knowledge, the PS5 is outperforming a 14TF Readeon V GPU…

Keep in mind that Appels 10.4TF is the max theoretical performance that you won’t come close to at the 60W power usage.