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M1 Max Chip May Have More Raw GPU Performance Than a PlayStation 5
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A gaming console shouldnt be more powerful than a top-of-the-line laptop
Now do you know what would be impressive? If it could outperform a mobile GTX 1660Ti.
Now do you know what would be impressive? If it could outperform a mobile GTX 1660Ti.
And you will happily admit you are wrong when benchmarks come in?
I like the word dissipate too. It doesn't fit the context of the original quote though. The M1 doesn't dissipate less power. The M1 uses less power, consumes less power, requires less power... It doesn't dissipate less power. Dissipate doesn't make sense in that context.
It makes sense from a thermal perspective, but not as it relates to power usage. MR even changed the article to uses less power.
It is just regurgitating an article from Bloomberg if you trust that more - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ing-demand-stays-resilient?srnd=technology-vp
My point is that the article is 99% wrong and the MacBooks actual GPU performance is nowhere near the consoles performance.
Maximum theoretical TFlops doesn’t mean you can hit those number if the GPU in the Mac is power and thermal starved.
For the consoles to hit their max 10.3TF performance they actually use massive heatsinks and consume 200W+. Let that sink in for moment, and now imagine Apple’s 60W 10.4TF false marketing…
“Raw”. 🙄 “May Have” 🥱
Apple is making impressive and eye-catching claims about the performance of its new M1 Pro and M1 chips, and on paper, the highest-end M1 Max chip actually has more raw GPU performance than Sony's PlayStation 5.
The M1 Max chip can be configured to include up to 32-cores of GPU, a gigantic leap compared to the 8-core GPU option offered in the M1 chip. Apple says that the M1 Max chip uses 70% less power at peak graphic performance than a PC laptop with a discrete graphics card. Apple also claims that the M1 Max chip offers "similar performance" to a "pro laptop with high-performing discrete GPU" while using 100 watts less power.
To make the claims, Apple tested the 16-inch MacBook Pro with the M1 Max chip, featuring a 10-core CPU, 32-core GPU, and 64GB of RAM compared to the MSI GE76 Raider and the Razer Blade 15 Advanced. For a further breakdown of the GPU performance, Notebookcheck estimated how many teraflops the new M1 Pro and M1 Max chips can handle based on Apple's information about the new chips. These are their findings:
On paper, the M1 Max chip maxed out with 32-cores of GPU can tackle more teraflops of graphics than Sony's PlayStation 5, which maxes out at 10.28 teraflops. Notebookcheck's numbers are based on estimations and not real-world testing, but until the new laptops begin arriving in the hands of customers next week, they are all we have to rely on. As noted by YouTuber ZoneOfTech on Twitter, the M1 Max chip can also read up to 7.4GB per second, higher than the PlayStation 5's 5.5GB read speed.
- M1 8-core = 2.6 TF
- M1 Pro 14-core = 4.5 TF
- M1 Pro 16-core = 5.2 TF
- M1 Max 24-core = 7.8 TF
- M1 Max 32-core = 10.4 TF
The new MacBook Pros cost more than the PlayStation 5, but nonetheless, Apple's ability to make claims about a portable laptop that rivals a high-end gaming console is impressive. As stated above, these claims are just on-paper, and proper performance and speed tests will surely come shortly after the new MacBook Pros start arriving for customers next week.
Article Link: M1 Max Chip May Have More Raw GPU Performance Than a PlayStation 5
Agreed. However, I think for those of who use a Mac - the demonstration of power proves out Apples business decision to go it on their own with their own chips. The plan is working.
Now - having said that - a common platform across all Apple devices (Apple Silicon) will make an attractive target for game developers. So in the long run - more games could be coming to the Apple Platform (Mac, iPad, Apple TV)
Except, thanks to Valve's work on Proton for the Linux-powered Steam Deck, games don't need to be ported to work on Linux any more.
This is all fluff. There’s no real information and tflops don’t tell you how powerful a chip is. Might as well brag about how great a Quadro card is at gaming. It’s about design usage. What razor are they comparing it to? An RTX 3080 or a 1660ti?
This is typical apple fluff with nothing real. I’d love to see it be even decently good at gaming and get support. I play Civ V and Kerbal Space Program on my M1. I do zero content creation but bought a MacBook Pro M1 for my own reasons. Everyone touts media creation but that’s just a sales pitch by Apple for style points and marketing. My M1 Pro has a great screen, keyboard, speakers, integration with my iPhone, a 20hr battery, fast, and about $600 cheaper than a Thinkpad X1 Carbon. Apple’s largest market share, by far, is just daily average users like me. I’d love to see them provide support for real gaming. Crank the GPU to 11 and I’d fork out more for it. Currently I carry a windows 17” gaming laptop for when I’m stuck in hotels for work. Would love to consolidate to one machine. I can’t get rid of Mac though. Just went Dubai to Houston and watched movies the whole flight.
This is typical apple fluff with nothing real. I’d love to see it be even decently good at gaming and get support. I play Civ V and Kerbal Space Program on my M1. I do zero content creation but bought a MacBook Pro M1 for my own reasons. Everyone touts media creation but that’s just a sales pitch by Apple for style points and marketing. My M1 Pro has a great screen, keyboard, speakers, integration with my iPhone, a 20hr battery, fast, and about $600 cheaper than a Thinkpad X1 Carbon. Apple’s largest market share, by far, is just daily average users like me. I’d love to see them provide support for real gaming. Crank the GPU to 11 and I’d fork out more for it. Currently I carry a windows 17” gaming laptop for when I’m stuck in hotels for work. Would love to consolidate to one machine. I can’t get rid of Mac though. Just went Dubai to Houston and watched movies the whole flight.
It is 7x the price not because of the processor but because of what it is and what it does.
Dave Lee (Dave2D) said they were comparing it to the RTX 3080 Razer
Well we have to wait for benchmarks to see the frames per second. Obviously there’s other differences that influence performance, like the OS itself.
I will admit that you still don’t understand how GPU floating point operations work at what power consumption levels.
Instead of challenging, you could rather spend some time and understand how power limitation work work in GPUs.
Yes, if only Apple were a trillion dollar company, they could just buy a publisher of top games like Microsoft did...
You know games can be released on Mac without you being obliged to install them on your Mac, right?
If what is being said about the GPU performance of Apple's chip then serious questions needs to be asked of the industry as a whole because how is it that a company who has virtually no specific experience of computer CPU and computer GPU design (other companies always designed and built the actual chips based on Apples requirements) and yet is allegedly able to out perform the likes of Intel, AMD and NVIDIA who have decades of design and build experience of both computer CPU's and computer GPU's.
One of the biggest issues for laptops and desktop computers has been it's power usage, how much wattage the machine uses and computer manufacturers and graphic card manufacturers have so we are led to believe that they have always been trying to find ways to reduce power usage whislt still maintaining performance. Well along comes Apple and blows all that out the water, allegedly. So, the question has to be asked of the industry, did they purposely hold back on making hardware that was power efficent because if the figures are to be believed, Apple has achieved it and they do not have the level of CPU and GPU chip level design and build that INTEL, AMD and NVIDIA have.
One of the biggest issues for laptops and desktop computers has been it's power usage, how much wattage the machine uses and computer manufacturers and graphic card manufacturers have so we are led to believe that they have always been trying to find ways to reduce power usage whislt still maintaining performance. Well along comes Apple and blows all that out the water, allegedly. So, the question has to be asked of the industry, did they purposely hold back on making hardware that was power efficent because if the figures are to be believed, Apple has achieved it and they do not have the level of CPU and GPU chip level design and build that INTEL, AMD and NVIDIA have.
Technically you are correct - however, I do not think that the point of the article is to say that it would outperform a PS5 in real world gaming - for the reason you mentioned. To be fair - high end Intel chips need cooling to reach their maximum potential performance.
What they are proving out is the design of the chip has the same performance capabilities at lower wattage. That is not false marketing. And for the use cases they are proposing - laptops and desktops - they are just as powerful as their Intel counterparts while using less power. That is factual and it proves Apple made the right decision to go their own way on chips.
Now if they put these chips in an Apple TV with cooling (not requiring as much as x86 based processors) they could approach gaming performance of modern consoles - not exactly and not exceeding - but close - which would be a significant achievement.
You have 3 TB4 slots.And HDMI 2.1 output.
a lot of the 200W are consumed by the VRAM. I’m very sure Apple knows what they are doing.They showed us already with the M1 and especially with the shared vram 16gb of ram. The M1 Max don’t just have 512-bits data bus with 400GB/s for fun.
Anandtech will show for sure next week how everything works