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Exactly.

Also... Apple was always stuck waiting for Intel to release suitable chips for Macs. Apple was at the mercy of Intel.

But now that Apple is on their own schedule with their own chips... it'll be interesting to see how they handle it.
It worked OK for the iPad pros because the chip and product cycles were in lockstep, the iPads were refreshed when the chip was ready, and the chip was ready for the iPad refresh. But when we have products using a single chip but launching months apart that's going to become quite a juggling act to keep everything fresh in a timely manner without dumping them all onto the market at once. I thought the M1 went into so many products specifically so they could justify updating it on a yearly basis, but this suggests otherwise, unless it's a one-off delay caused by the current shortages.
 
It worked OK for the iPad pros because the chip and product cycles were in lockstep, the iPads were refreshed when the chip was ready, and the chip was ready for the iPad refresh. But when we have products using a single chip but launching months apart that's going to become quite a juggling act to keep everything fresh in a timely manner without dumping them all onto the market at once. I thought the M1 went into so many products specifically so they could justify updating it on a yearly basis, but this suggests otherwise, unless it's a one-off delay caused by the current shortages.

We also need to consider that not M1 products were released simultaneously. In the long term, Apple will probably want to synchronize the product releases. Doing the next entry-level refresh in spring would make sense to reach a reasonable turnover on M1 iMacs.
 
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Nöpe, "M2" would be the base chip in a similar config as M1 just with a new generation of cores (+10-20%)
"M1x" would be a M1 with more cores (and RAM).

Think 10th gen i3 vs 9th gen i7.
Maybe.

I'm thinking M2/M3 launch at same time, or closely. Or M2/M2X for standard/pro.
 
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So the M2 will be the 3nm chip, since the iPad Pro '22 will certainly have the M2.
The M2, if it’s released in the spring, will likely be based off of the upcoming A15 which is slated to be a 5nm+ chip (the plus meaning it’s a refinement of the node). The A16 chip for the fall 2022 iPhone will be either 3nm or 4nm. I wouldn’t expect to see mass quantities of those until the second half of 2022.
 
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On Twitter, Dylandkt claimed that a new MacBook Air model is "on track" to launch in the first half of 2022, featuring an M2 chip and a more colorful design. They also claimed that the "M1X" chip is being reserved for high-end "Pro" Macs, which could include the MacBook Pro and a larger, more powerful iMac model.
These rumors just seem to be more plagiarism of what we discuss here in the forums then any originality. :D
 
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Think 10th gen i3 vs 9th gen i7.
Intel are hardly the poster child for non-confusing processor names, and all the "i7" etc. label ever signified was the price point c.f. other processors in the same generation and TDP class (if that...)

Not at all confusing the iPad pros have had X based chips for a long time. A8X, A9X, A10X and A12X
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True, but that doesn't mean it isn't confusing and I'm not sure that "processor type" is such a significant selling point with phones and tablets - buyers are rarely going to be choosing between an iPhone A15 and an iPad A14X... With Macs, you could be in the position where the $1400 model of MBP13 has a M2 and the $1800 model has a M1X... Plus, it looks like iPad Pros are going to be using M-series processors from now on...

Really, Apple are setting themselves up for a repeat of the Intel scenario where Macs always appeared to be a generation or two behind the New Shiny when, in fact, the new generation chips would have been a downgrade because the correct TDP and graphics options were not available...

Apple can and will call their chips what they want - but I think they'd be wise to give the names of their "pro" chips a different stem rather than leaving people to work out whether a "M2Z" is better than an "M3".

Also, at the current rate, they might not get the "pro" machines out until next year and it's quite conceivable that the new "M2" MBAs will appear before the replacements for the iMac and i5/i7 Mini and Mac Pro - and even though it is "just labels" that wouldn't be a good look.

Hopefully this will stop the throngs of confused people who think the MBP is going to ship with an “M2”.
The new processor will be whatever Apple decide to call it, and that is a job for the marketing department, not the chip designers. No laws of physics are involved and I'm not aware that Apple have ever published or committed to their chip-naming scheme... So far, the only Mac-class processor they've officially announced is the M1, even the idea that they're going to follow A-series naming conventions is just a guess - maybe right, maybe wrong.
 
So is MacRumors finally going to stop insisting that the new Pros are getting the M2?
 
The M2, if it’s released in the spring, will likely be based off of the upcoming A15 which is slated to be a 5nm+ chip (the plus meaning it’s a refinement of the node). The A16 chip for the fall 2022 iPhone will be either 3nm or 4nm. I wouldn’t expect to see mass quantities of those until the second half of 2022.
This makes sense. But then the M2 seems like it would be a stopgap, no? The 3nm A16 (rumored to be in '22 iPad Pros) would become architecture for M3 in 2023.

Maybe the M2 would only be used for the new MacBook Airs and perhaps iMac 24" but everything else updated with M3 or M3X in 2023.

Gosh, we have no idea yet but speculating is fun :)
 
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The new processor will be whatever Apple decide to call it, and that is a job for the marketing department, not the chip designers. No laws of physics are involved and I'm not aware that Apple have ever published or committed to their chip-naming scheme... So far, the only Mac-class processor they've officially announced is the M1, even the idea that they're going to follow A-series naming conventions is just a guess - maybe right, maybe wrong.
There’s already some evidence out there in the form of the WWDC YouTube tags that Apple is likely to use the M1X name for their higher end pro chip from the current generation, though that can certainly be subject to change. M1 Pro and M1 Pro Max have nice rings to them.

Apple’s product and store pages generally do a decent job of explaining the differences between CPU models in terms of basic features. A consumer can compare the 16” MBP and the Intel 13” MPB and clearly see that while the 16” has only a 9th generation CPU, it has double the cores. CPU naming was a mess before under Intel (ie: why is the i7 in the MacBook Air so much slower than the i5 in the MacBook Pro? Because one’s a Y chip and one’s a U chip!). If anything narrowing it down to 2-3 CPU choices - consumer, pro/prosumer, heavyweight pro - will make shopping easier.
 
This makes sense. But then the M2 seems like it would be a stopgap, no? The 3nm A16 (rumored to be in '22 iPad Pros) would become architecture for M3 in 2023.

Maybe the M2 would only be used for the new MacBook Airs and perhaps iMac 24" but everything else updated with M3 or M3X in 2023.

Gosh, we have no idea yet but speculating is fun :)
Apple has used the tick-tock cadence similar to Intel for a while now. The A12 was 7nm and the A13 was 7nm+, but the A13 still claimed to be 20% faster and 40% more power efficient than the A12 despite both being 7nm. That’s hardly a stopgap.

Given the similarities in logic boards across the M1 Macs there’s no reason that they wouldn’t give the 13” pro, Mini, and 24” iMacs speed bumps to the M2, especially if it means not having two consumer chip production lines going.
 
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As soon as Apple Silicon has way better graphics performance than my old Mac from 2009 I'll buy the M-whatever

Mac Pro 2009 upgraded, Single core 681, Multi core 6974, Cinebench 3407, Metal 51587

This one would be nice.
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Apple has used the tick-tock cadence similar to Intel for a while now. The A12 was 7nm and the A13 was 7nm+, but the A13 still claimed to be 20% faster and 40% more power efficient than the A12 despite both being 7nm. That’s hardly a stopgap.

Given the similarities in logic boards across the M1 Macs there’s no reason that they wouldn’t give the 13” pro, Mini, and 24” iMacs speed bumps to the M2, especially if it means not having two consumer chip production lines going.
We’ll, “stop gap” is interpretative for sure ;) I’m sure the improvements will be substantial.

And I may have misspoke because from what I’ve read they are locked into having a 4nm A16 iPhone 14 due to productions of scale, so then it would be 4nm M2 and A16 then 3nm M3 iPad Pro in Spring 2023 followed by 3nm A17 in iPhone 15…
 
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Wishful thinking, wishful thinking....


The base IP for the M2 is already 95% ready and in production (aka A15) while the M1x is already delayed by months.

Everything else is just reading cooked tea leafs.

Evidence that the M1X is delayed (or exists, or was ever part of any roadplan)?
I can give a great story for why such a product might exist. And a great story for why it shouldn't exist. Neither have anything to do with an actual "delay" as opposed to "rumor/fantasy/invention did not pan out".
 
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Apple has used the tick-tock cadence similar to Intel for a while now. The A12 was 7nm and the A13 was 7nm+, but the A13 still claimed to be 20% faster and 40% more power efficient than the A12 despite both being 7nm. That’s hardly a stopgap.

What you said is true, but not dispositive. Here are the factors that actually matter:
(a) Apple designs cores (at least so far...) on a 4 yr cycle. A7 (and A11) were the baseline designs, the next 3 models were iterative improvements to those underlying designs. (Iterative doesn't mean "small", but it means fairly obvious extensions, not big rethinking).
If you do the math, you'll see that means A15 is the next such new baseline design.

(b) It makes sense for Apple to align with ARMv9 (various new security features, and, importantly, SVE/2 as a big ISA extension). It makes sense for A15 to be the vehicle that brings about this alignment.

(c) Growing beyond MBA and low-end mac pro/mini/imac requires at least 8 big cores. This requires at least tuning and some rethinking of the baseline A11..A14 designs (which, at the SoC level, are based around 1 P cluster and 1 E cluster). The point is growing this design is not an "easy" increase from 4 to 8 larger cores; it's a more substantial rethink of "increase from 1 to 2 P-clusters".

(d) But that's the least of it. Growing to to iMac Pro and Mac Pro levels will require 16 or 32 large cores, with memory bandwidth and GPU capacity scaling in sync. There's an uninteresting set of arguments one can have about exactly how this might be done (pack discrete chips in an MCM vs chiplets in a single package? have compute-only chiplets, with IO+security and suchlike on a separate chiplet?), the common thread is that whatever is done will require a communications fabric between "compute units" (chips, chiplets, whatever) beyond what Apple has in place today. Again low level arguments about exactly how this might be sliced and diced are uninteresting (because so many options are possible, with no way to know what will be chosen), the part that's not negotiable is such a much more powerful fabric (think the equivalent of many more PCIe lines) is necessary.

(e) Point d leads to the issue of large RAM footprints. IMHO the best way to achieve this is via an extension of the current M1 paradigm (with 16 or 32GB onboard per "compute unit") which covers most user cases well, and with the extra connectivity I described above available to be routed (for at least some use cases) to something like CXL DRAM expansion.

What all these suggest is
- it makes sense for Apple to create a "very different-looking" (at the technical level) sort of product for this next generation.
- technically not a tick or a tock, but massive changes along many dimensions. Some user visible (expansion to many more cores), some developer visible (v9 ISA), some only micro-architecturally visible (A15 new baseline core); new packaging concepts (to grow to 16 or 32 cores); new connectivity concepts beyond what Apple has done before.

To users it may not seem THAT big a deal, but for those of us looking at every level of the tech stack, I expect the A15/M2 generation to be the equivalent of the A6 to A7 jump -- something way beyond what most expected (both in the Apple community and amongst competitors) that recalibrates what people think Apple is capable of, and the level of their ambitions.
 


Apple is planning to launch the "M2" chip with redesigned MacBook Air models in the first half of 2022, according to the leaker known as "Dylandkt."

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On Twitter, Dylandkt claimed that a new MacBook Air model is "on track" to launch in the first half of 2022, featuring an M2 chip and a more colorful design. They also claimed that the "M1X" chip is being reserved for high-end "Pro" Macs, which could include the MacBook Pro and a larger, more powerful iMac model.



Dylandkt's claim is not entirely new, given that Jon Prosser has previously said that the next-generation MacBook Air will feature a complete redesign, a range of iMac-like color options, and an M2 chip.

Dylandkt has been resolute in previous comments about the "M1X" being destined for the next-generation MacBook Pro, while the "M2" will apparently be a lower-end chip for the MacBook Air, but it is worth noting that this does not seem to fit very well with the specific thoughts of reliable Bloomberg journalist Mark Gurman about Apple's upcoming custom silicon chips for the Mac.

Nevertheless, Dylandkt has correctly predicted details about a number of Apple's recent product launches. As early as November 2020, Dylandkt claimed that the next-generation iPad Pro would feature an M1 chip. This was five months before the device emerged. Before the launch of the 24-inch iMac earlier this year, Dylandkt correctly predicted that the new, redesigned iMac would replace the smaller entry-level iMac only and feature an M1 chip rather than an M1X. Dylandkt's claim about the MacBook Air with the M2 chip may therefore be more believable.

Article Link: M2 Chip Rumored to Arrive in 2022 With Redesigned MacBook Air


Apple is planning to launch the "M2" chip with redesigned MacBook Air models in the first half of 2022, according to the leaker known as "Dylandkt."

m2-feature.jpg

On Twitter, Dylandkt claimed that a new MacBook Air model is "on track" to launch in the first half of 2022, featuring an M2 chip and a more colorful design. They also claimed that the "M1X" chip is being reserved for high-end "Pro" Macs, which could include the MacBook Pro and a larger, more powerful iMac model.



Dylandkt's claim is not entirely new, given that Jon Prosser has previously said that the next-generation MacBook Air will feature a complete redesign, a range of iMac-like color options, and an M2 chip.

Dylandkt has been resolute in previous comments about the "M1X" being destined for the next-generation MacBook Pro, while the "M2" will apparently be a lower-end chip for the MacBook Air, but it is worth noting that this does not seem to fit very well with the specific thoughts of reliable Bloomberg journalist Mark Gurman about Apple's upcoming custom silicon chips for the Mac.

Nevertheless, Dylandkt has correctly predicted details about a number of Apple's recent product launches. As early as November 2020, Dylandkt claimed that the next-generation iPad Pro would feature an M1 chip. This was five months before the device emerged. Before the launch of the 24-inch iMac earlier this year, Dylandkt correctly predicted that the new, redesigned iMac would replace the smaller entry-level iMac only and feature an M1 chip rather than an M1X. Dylandkt's claim about the MacBook Air with the M2 chip may therefore be more believable.

Article Link: M2 Chip Rumored to Arrive in 2022 With Redesigned MacBook Air
Great so no point waiting on THE REAL iMac to drop this year... soooo tired of waiting.
 
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Basically m2 is coming later this year with the new pros and Apple will also launch it with the airs next year is my guess.
 
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