M3 Chip for Macs and A17 Chip for iPhone 15 Pro Will Reportedly Use TSMC's Second-Generation 3nm Process

[rp2011]

whenever these are released my 2013 iMac will still be going strong

Geezes. I couldn't even with a Mac before Apple Silicon. Intel computers were bad enough, but Macs pre Apple Silicon were pointless. I finally switched to a Mac when they could at least match my iPad Pro in snappiness. Throw that 2013 Mac in the trash already.

 

[Infodataset]

Is 1nm even possible?

Yes there are successfull sample but not mass produced. In theory the maximum is 0.2 because that is the diameter of electron i heard? But it wont give significant benefits i think when you move to armstrong area unless redesign

 

[TurboJobo]

will these beat bmw m3? 😂

 

[rp2011]

Yes, Apple & TSMC continue to innovate. But we shouldn't take it for granted. Keep in mind those using windows are stuck with 10nm chips from Intel's 10ESF process (later deceptively renamed to Intel 7).

Intel used to dominate the chip market, so the fact that Apple is already using chips better than anything Intel can make is pretty amazing, not to mention it's planning chips a third that size for production next year. Meanwhile Intel struggles to get decent performance out of its 10nm process.

Intel admits that the 10nm process is doing poorly

In a very honest reflection on the state of Intel's current competitive position, CFO George Davis not only admitted that 10nm won't be as profitable as previous nodes, but that Intel is in fact behind other foundries when it comes to manufacturing technology. Davis doesn't expect Intel will...

www.notebookcheck.net

Yep it's more than just the tools, but what a company does with them. Let's remember that Intel is still stuck on the outdated CISC architecture, which was fine when their instruction-set was ubiquitous and there really wasn't a choice. But like all the other former industry leaders who milked their ubiquity in lieu of innovation, Intel and their X86 is chasing Blackberry and Kodak to extinction.

 

[krspkbl]

I'm not interested in M3 chips right now for goodness sake. I just want an M2 Mac Mini.

I'll get an iPhone 15 Pro Max next year though Both the 13 and 14 seem like minor upgrades. Honestly I probably won't even need to ditch my 12 Pro Max next year but I might treat myself.

 

[markgpearse]

When can I pre-pre-order the 15 Pro?

 

[darngooddesign]

48MP camera, video stabilization, no notch, and satellite connectivity when off grid all sound like the improvements I wanted.

The 14 Pro is a good and worthwhile upgrade; the regular 14 is a meh upgrade.

 

[NotTooLate]

Agree with you that TSMC has more advanced nodes than intel. What I implied by my post was a reply to one of the comment which said that TSMC 3nm is 1/3rd the size of intel 10 nm.

100%, agreed , this is not how it works (3nm is a 1/3rd of intel 10nm).

 

[IUBall22]

I’m cancelling my 14PM preorder

 

[hovscorpion12]

Being on the iPhone upgrade Program is already paying off. Being able to experience the latest and greatest every year.

I'm excited to see the power efficiency as Apple Silicon progresses. As many have said, once we reach 1nm what happens next. By my estimate, Apple will use 1nm by 2030.

 

[ChedNasad]

I’m cancelling my 14PM preorder

Right? It's old hat now. I haven't even got mine but with A17 on the horizon it's worthless

 

[dustin.haley]

All I want is for them to finally upgrade the Apple Watch S line to a new node, and *hopefully* increase the Watch battery life to 2 days. Jumping from 7nm on the S6/7/8 to 3nm would certainly yield some improvements…

 

[Dan From Canada]

whenever these are released my 2013 iMac will still be going strong

Exactly.
I am still holding out on a Mac purchase in the hopes that Apple releases an iMac instead of the separate monitor/power block combo they now have.

 

[Dan From Canada]

Looking forward to get my hands on the faster M4

Really?
I'm looking forward to the "N" series chips already. /s

 

[wanha]

Not much to enjoy honestly, most boring upgrade in iPhone history.

...in your subjective opinion.

 

[progx]

Got a little bit of time to figure out my first M-powered Mac. The M3 should be the right time to retire my late 2018 Mac mini to server duties. I can live my best, Intel-free, life.

Thanks to my work, we’re running all AMD Ryzen equipped Lenovo Thinkpads. Availability, efficiency and cost won that argument.

Our Intel based ThinkCentre’s were trash. I had one even burn up, glad it didn’t cause an a fire. Nothing like the smell of burnt chips in the morning.

 

[TSE]

Got a little bit of time to figure out my first M-powered Mac. The M3 should be the right time to retire my late 2018 Mac mini to server duties. I can live my best, Intel-free, life.

Thanks to my work, we’re running all AMD Ryzen equipped Lenovo Thinkpads. Availability, efficiency and cost won that argument.

Our Intel based ThinkCentre’s were trash. I had one even burn up, glad it didn’t cause an a fire. Nothing like the smell of burnt chips in the morning.

AMD seems to be a great middle ground between Intel's focus on pure performance and Apple's focus on pure efficiency. Honestly, X86 ain't going to be dead for some time with the leaps that AMD is making in terms of efficiency.

 

[NightFox]

Not much to enjoy honestly, most boring upgrade in iPhone history.

Depends what you're upgrading from.

 

[Vazor]

I'm not interested in M3 chips right now for goodness sake. I just want an M2 Mac Mini.

I'll get an iPhone 15 Pro Max next year though Both the 13 and 14 seem like minor upgrades. Honestly I probably won't even need to ditch my 12 Pro Max next year but I might treat myself.

If going from a 12 Pro Max to a 14 Pro Max seems like a minor upgrade, I’m not sure what will satisfy you.

 

[Wackery]

Damn, can we at least enjoy the iPhone 14 for a few days before starting to talk about the iPhone 15

As soon as a product is released, it is obsolete. In fact, anything consumer grade is effectively obsolete

 

[star-affinity]

All thanks to ASML. ASML, the Dutch company that makes the most complex machines in the world putting the 3nm structures on the chip. TSMC is using these machines.

And what about the providers of all the components that makes up an ASML machine?

Edit:
What was the dislike for @Vazor ? I liked the video about ASML that was posted by @meaning-matters
Can still ask the question from where all the components in ASML machines comes from. Usually many different providers of hardware in such complex machines.

 

[rpmurray]

What good is an M3 if there's no 27-inch or larger iMac to put it in?

 

[polyphenol]

What good is an M3 if there's no 27-inch or larger iMac to put it in?

You can give me a Mac mini with one in, if you like.

 

[Student of Life]

Nikkei Asia is a serious publication put out by Japan’s most prestigious business newspaper… and it’s certainly interesting to hear that they will actually be on a process better than N3… but I cant feeling like… no ****, Sherlock???
Like at this point, it would be a surprise if the A17 and the M3 were NOT on whatever TSMC’s most advanced process node available is at the time.

Kinda, if you follow Apple Watch chips, you would be in for a surprise. The same chip has been used for the past 3 generations.

 

[DEMinSoCAL]

whenever these are released my 2013 iMac will still be going strong

No one is envious of you, btw. Maybe start a Go Fund Me?