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macOS still has a major issue with third party Thunderbolt and USB-C docks so I regularly power off or restart my system every single day. This is why I need to use a Mac Studio or just about to be pushed to a Mac Pro for IO. I wish Apple had their own dock that works better, I have tried dozens, even the $400 ones from OWC and they all have issues once my system goes to sleep. The power button location is quite horrible due to this.
I agree 100% and also have an OWC dock that should be compatible with sleeping. It works great with my other machines. Like you said as well, these M-series Macs seem to have major issues with just about all external devices.

Or did I read that wrong and you're saying that the Studio does work with things correctly? Or were you just saying that it has extra ports, so less dock usage? If the Studio works well and is a fix, then clearly something is wrong on the Mini lineup.
 
Please spare me. I don't need to hear from the peanut gallery.
Oh ok! If decades of enterprise IT experience won’t sway you, please don’t let the cognitive dissonance or countless studies readily available shatter your fantasy realm
 
Nope, that does not fix the issues. I've tried that and just about anything else you can think of.

Before I had this Mini, I had a Mac Pro (intel) which worked perfectly with everything externally. With the M1 Mini, these issues started on day one and continue to this day unfortunately. It is just compatibility issues with at least the M1 Mini, but I will assume that it will be a problem on this new one as well until proven wrong (which I sure hope to be proven wrong. If so, I'd be very happy!).

So yes, a reachable power button is an absolute necessity for my uses.

That's interesting, I've used every generation of Mac mini and only had this issue with the M1 and some horrible Satechi stackable port replicator. Just a firmware issue with the Satechi. Never had an issue with any Lacie, WD, Seagate, etc., external storage.
 
Oh ok! If decades of enterprise IT experience won’t sway you, please don’t let the cognitive dissonance or countless studies readily available shatter your fantasy realm

The decades of IT experience is on my side of the keyboard, I can assure you. It's not the hours of use that kills hard drives, it's the start/stop cycles. This will be my final reply because you are confidently incorrect, and that's the worst kind of incorrect.
 
A desktop computer that can just be left in sleep mode endlessly when not in-use so you don't need to actually power it off or on very much at all. It also weighs virtually nothing. Lets not pretend its like lifting a tower off a desk.
That's NOT a good practice.

Restarting helps refresh the memory clearing out temporary data and any minor bugs that may accumulate over time especially with apps that run background processes. There are reasons why a lot of software requires complete shut down and turn on to fix some problems by shutting down completely.
 
That's NOT a good practice.

Restarting helps refresh the memory clearing out temporary data and any minor bugs that may accumulate over time especially with apps that run background processes. There are reasons why a lot of software requires complete shut down and turn on to fix some problems by shutting down completely.

This hasn't really been necessary for years, at least for well-written software. My Mac at work never reboots unless it needs an OS update, for example, and never has any issues. There's always the chance that a buggy update for Chrome or Zoom or something will sneak through and cause a memory leak, but that's rare in my experience.
 
That's NOT a good practice.

Restarting helps refresh the memory clearing out temporary data and any minor bugs that may accumulate over time especially with apps that run background processes. There are reasons why a lot of software requires complete shut down and turn on to fix some problems by shutting down completely.
it’s not such an issue with modern operating systems aside from wayward programs (looking at you Chrome)
 
There is no need to turn off a machine like the Mac mini every day. The amount of power it uses to boot back up likely greatly overshadows the amount of power it consumes idling all night.
Not everyone has the same use case as you. What if they need to use it once a week? Having it sleep idle for 6 of the 7 days provides no benefit. This is what I do for my lab that has.......16 computers for various scenarios.
 
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I'm guessing some Mac accessory maker is going to come up with a riser or vertical stand to sell for the M4 Mac Mini.
Very easy to 3D Print something like a vertical stand or even something simple like a lever that sits under the power button, a bit like a seesaw. My mind is working on this !
 
For me, it isn't about the mythical daily reboot. I do shutdown at night however due to sleep issues with external devices. My current mini doesn't play well with many of them.

When sleeping it, it causes issues with external drives, which I have many of. And many other reasons.

I just find it really, well stupid that they'd even think of doing that unless it's very clearly reachable underneath, which it definitely does not look to be. Just no reasoning. Is a button that's visible but looks fine really that horrible?
THIS! Mac is still absolutely atrocious with external devices making it nearly impossible. Combine that with Thunderbolt/USB docks and it can be utterly frustrating. Better to just turn off every night so you have a clean slate in the morning.
 
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Not everyone has the same use case as you. What if they need to use it once a week? Having it sleep idle for 6 of the 7 days provides no benefit. This is what I do for my lab that has.......16 computers for various scenarios.

Then if lifting the Mac mini off the desk a bit to reach the power button is a bridge too far for you, buy something else.

I agree it's a bad design choice, but I also believe it's a fairly small issue. Nothing like the buttonless iPod shuffle, for example.
 
Nope, that does not fix the issues. I've tried that and just about anything else you can think of.

Before I had this Mini, I had a Mac Pro (intel) which worked perfectly with everything externally. With the M1 Mini, these issues started on day one and continue to this day unfortunately. It is just compatibility issues with at least the M1 Mini, but I will assume that it will be a problem on this new one as well until proven wrong (which I sure hope to be proven wrong. If so, I'd be very happy!).

So yes, a reachable power button is an absolute necessity for my uses.
I will back that up I have tried all the suggestions under the hood. macOS is just plain atrocious with external devices and docks it just isn't funny.
 
I agree 100% and also have an OWC dock that should be compatible with sleeping. It works great with my other machines. Like you said as well, these M-series Macs seem to have major issues with just about all external devices.

Or did I read that wrong and you're saying that the Studio does work with things correctly? Or were you just saying that it has extra ports, so less dock usage? If the Studio works well and is a fix, then clearly something is wrong on the Mini lineup.
It is that the Mac Studio has the ports I need, so I do not need to even use a dock and almost too limiting. This is why I CANNOT use a Macbook Pro as much as I want to with my recent frustrations with Apple's pro desktop market attitude. I need the IO and macs are horrible with docks.
 
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The decades of IT experience is on my side of the keyboard, I can assure you. It's not the hours of use that kills hard drives, it's the start/stop cycles. This will be my final reply because you are confidently incorrect, and that's the worst kind of incorrect.
Yep can confirm this. Many decades of IT experience as well. Been through many NAS and servers that are running just fine, but a power cycle and suddenly a drive failure.
 
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The decades of IT experience is on my side of the keyboard, I can assure you. It's not the hours of use that kills hard drives, it's the start/stop cycles. This will be my final reply because you are confidently incorrect, and that's the worst kind of incorrect.
I’ve got decades of Professional IT Experience as well, you’ve got a point re power cycling computers, peripherals etc possibly could cause damage but probably unlikely basic computers like a Mac Mini and a external spinning hard drive.

Maybe the case for File Servers but they would be on continuously anyway.

My Mac Mini is my bedroom/office so I don’t want to hear a rattling HD all night 💤😴😂
 
it’s not such an issue with modern operating systems aside from wayward programs (looking at you Chrome)
Windows 11 still needs to be restarted often. And with default settings restart is better than a shut down since it has the fast startup. I have had several times where my GPU driver was messed up even after a shut down due to the fast startup. Restart fixed it.
 
I’ve got decades of Professional IT Experience as well, you’ve got a point re power cycling computers, peripherals etc possibly could cause damage but probably unlikely basic computers like a Mac Mini and a external spinning hard drive.

Maybe the case for File Servers but they would be on continuously anyway.

My Mac Mini is my bedroom/office so I don’t want to hear a rattling HD all night 💤😴😂

It doesn't make a huge difference for laptop drives, I agree. And letting them sleep at night does help them be quiet.
 
I don’t think anyone complained so much about Apple TV not having a power button at all. And yes, they have the same idle power consumption 🥸
That comparison is a little flawed, given that TVOS doesn't have an "off" state. An Apple TV with power is always booted up and either running or sleeping.
 
So, Apple liked having the mouse charging-port on the BOTTOM so much… that they decided to put the power-button on the BOTTOM of the Mac Mini.
 
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This is literally the dumbest thing to make an issue out of. It's going to be super easy to get a finger under that lip to access the power button, and you can even lift the Mini up ever so slightly, if even necessary.
 
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