It would be great, but unfortunately, I don't think so. They will want to get as much money as possible on upgrades.Heck, as long as we are guessing, how about:
12 -> 24 -> 36?
12 -> 18 -> 24 is most likely.
It would be great, but unfortunately, I don't think so. They will want to get as much money as possible on upgrades.Heck, as long as we are guessing, how about:
12 -> 24 -> 36?
Throw Baldur's Gate 3 on it.My 2023 M3 pro 16" is gonna last like 7-8 years easily. Thrown all kinds of workflows at it and have only heard the fans once
$499 edu M4 mac mini would be nice though
No point in purchasing / upgrade / upspec for what other users need, is it? Better off considering own individual needs (and preferences/desires).Throw Baldur's Gate 3 on it.
My 2023 M2 Max was struggling already and the heat was enough to warm my whole house at night.
Why does Apple just, hate the iMac? Compared to the other product lines it looks neglected. Give your eldest child some attention, Apple!
this is what i'm considering. i have a 2011 pro. need an upgrade badly, esp. extra hd space, but really everything. 2011 is falling apart (one of the biggest pains is failed usb ports). gonna start shopping m1-m3.Still a great choice for many people and more than enough for general productivity, photos, web email, MS Office, light video. That said - it will still cost at least $200 more to get more RAM which sucks given what it costs Apple. I've long maintained that 8GB is a decent amount with Apple silicon (much to my personal surprise) but Apple really does need to stop overcharging for RAM.
Agree. It's hard to tell between my wife's base M1, my M1Pro and my M2 Air. They all cruise through daily workloads. I know the benchmarks say otherwise, but only specialist activities such as Video Editing, Rendering, etc. can show a difference between any of the Apple silicon chips. If I was blinded as to which machine was connected to my monitor, I wouldn't be able to tell them apart!
It's still a fine machine and probably worth running until it no longer serves your needs because Intel Macs aren't worth anything these days. When it finally needs replacing, the early Apple silicon machines will be cheap and all will represent an order of magnitude performance boost for you!
The entry-level Pro should have been called MacBook instead, but its brand new and not an MacBook Air therefore making it irrelevant to the discussion of why enterprises didn’t historically consider the MacBook Air a business machine.But the entry-level Pro couldn't either. You'd have to go to at least $2k for that, and I imagine enterprises would be more likely to go with a DisplayLink setup then. At least that's what we did.
Well, my wife doesnt edit video. Neither does my mom. Nor my dad, or my cousins, nieces, nephews or most of my friends. In fact I’m the only one in my social circle who uses Final Cut Pro or even iMovie.Video editing is not a "specialist" activity. LOL.
It really is.OLED is not an upgrade over MiniLED. Really hope Apple doesn't ruin the Macbook Pros with it.
Back to School promo started today 👍Well you can get M3 MacBook in Apple’s refurbished store and Apple’s annual back to school offers should be starting soon (within a month) and the Apple education discounts can be applied on top of some of those.
Yep. I have a mini LED Macbook and iPad Pro and the double-layer OLED M4 iPad, and side by side you can easily see how much better the OLED screen is over the mini LED. If I had a choice between the two I would easily and without a doubt go for the double-layer OLED screen.It really is.
Contrast improves significantly, which improves color and picture quality; and makes images “pop” or gives it a more 3D effect.
Viewing angle accuracy improves, so when looking at a display at an angle, the image doesn’t wash out.
No blooming, which is annoying on mini LED because it has inaccurate shadow detail and/or has to pull back highlights to preserve shadow detail; the image is inaccurate to the original image source in challenging scenes; or the blooming distracts like on subtitles or starfields.
The previous iPad Pros and current MacBook Pros with mini LED are lying about ProMotion 120Hz. The pixel response is too slow, like 5-10x too slow, to show 120 frames per second. OLED fixes that because it has a pixel response of less than 3ms so you’re actually seeing 120 frames per second.
The main worry with OLED is it wouldn’t get bright enough to match, tandem OLED surprisingly does; and that OLED would burn in, which tandem OLED in theory won’t.
The main worry with OLED Macs is burn in of things like the Menubar and Dock since those are displayed for long periods of time; iPhones generally do not have their screen on for 8 hours a day. Apple does not have any burn in mitigation tricks with the iPads.It really is.
Contrast improves significantly, which improves color and picture quality; and makes images “pop” or gives it a more 3D effect.
Viewing angle accuracy improves, so when looking at a display at an angle, the image doesn’t wash out.
No blooming, which is annoying on mini LED because it has inaccurate shadow detail and/or has to pull back highlights to preserve shadow detail; the image is inaccurate to the original image source in challenging scenes; or the blooming distracts like on subtitles or starfields.
The previous iPad Pros and current MacBook Pros with mini LED are lying about ProMotion 120Hz. The pixel response is too slow, like 5-10x too slow, to show 120 frames per second. OLED fixes that because it has a pixel response of less than 3ms so you’re actually seeing 120 frames per second.
The main worry with OLED is it wouldn’t get bright enough to match, tandem OLED surprisingly does; and that OLED would burn in, which tandem OLED in theory won’t.
To add to your glowing testimonial:Yep. I have a mini LED Macbook and iPad Pro and the double-layer OLED M4 iPad, and side by side you can easily see how much better the OLED screen is over the mini LED. If I had a choice between the two I would easily and without a doubt go for the double-layer OLED screen.
Thats an understandable worry. The first OLED tablet was in 2011 and early OLED has burn-in issues.The main worry with OLED Macs is burn in of things like the Menubar and Dock since those are displayed for long periods of time; iPhones generally do not have their screen on for 8 hours a day. Apple does not have any burn in mitigation tricks with the iPads.
Yep, people who actually work with it on the daily know how important making thinner and lighter is. I sure do.To add to your glowing testimonial:
I forgot to mention a core benefit is OLED allows devices to go thinner and lighter—heft of 13-inch iPad Pro, especially when coupled with Magic Keyboard, was the #1 complaint. My wifey has an M1 13-inch iPad Pro, and if I gifted her the M4 iPad Pro, she may not gasp at the improvement in picture quality but she will gasp at the thinner, lighter form factor because she hates how heavy the M1 iPad Pro is when coupled with Magic Keyboard—its like carrying a college textbook everywhere.
So the new MacBook Pro design in 2026 will see a thinner/lighter redesign thanks to both OLED and TSMC's 2nm N2 and N2P node (so M6 and M7-generation chips). That is something we should all look forward to assuming battery life and port selection remains unaffected.
It's fine and fair if a percentage of buyers aren't savvy or sensitive enough to care about the picture differences between mini LED and OLED—arguably differences are subtle. But Apple is doing right by all users when they make devices feel better in the hand (assuming battery life remains untouched—and correct me if I'm wrong but some people report M4 iPad Pro has even better battery life despite being thinner).
Generally, computer users don't surpass 500 nits in SDR mode (normal macOS work), so burn-in mitigation for things like the dock and menu bar perhaps aren't needed; although who knows what Apple will do, we'll have to wait to 2026 to find out.
They already have—Studio Display does 600 nits although you're right that MacBook Pro only does 500 nits SDR. My point is that generally indoors 250-500 nits is where people set their monitor; we don't have to worry about OLED getting burn in from 1000 nits sustained for 8-hours, or anything— it's only with HDR media viewing or outdoors where 1000+ nits is needed.I suspect Apple wants to push past 500 in the coming years.
I know how you feel but I'm getting some money in soon. Only problem is, I have a really tough time coughing up $2k for an 15" M3 MBA with 24GB RAM (future proof). Even with the edu discount it's $1800. It's on sale now for $150 off and I'm debating it. The damn 15" MBA is just about as heavy as the 15" 2015 MBP. I want to try and get my fat fingers used to a 13"still broke af, and still using my MacBook Pro 2015![]()
15" 2015 MBP is 36% heavier:The damn 15" MBA is just about as heavy as the 15" 2015 MBP.
Yes, I agree— it doesn’t feel right (it’s way too soon) for Apple to upgrade MacBook Pros to OLED. And we would have heard more about it before now. They don’t need OLED to sell the M4 machines. 2026 is more likely.Maybe I'm dense, but there seems to be confusion:
One more thing: when MacBook Pros get OLED, it will come with a thinner/lighter re-design. 2026 seems more on target for that because we would have learned about the redesign if it was soon, given all the supply chain leaks that would occur.
- The article you're both referring to is about "OLED Tablet Panel Shipments"—no MacBook Pro or laptops mentioned—only tablets such as iPad Pro.
- Even the graphs are referring to "Quarterly OLED Tablet Panel Shipment Forecast" and "OLED Tablet Unit and Revenue Penetration"
- I can't read Ross Young's tweet—it's paywalled—but the Apple Insider article seems misinformed. Display Supply Chain Consultants seems to specialize in both mini LED displays, not just OLED (says so in the report you're both referring to).
- The MacBook Pro has mini LED displays, so that's one reason Ross Young is tweeting about the M4 MacBook Pro—he sees the orders.
- But also Ross Young will tweet about any Apple display because it gets him huge press—for example, he's tweeted about iPad minis in 2021 and MacBook Airs in 2022—both simply LCD displays.
Anyway—I'm comfident it would be a mistake for MacRumors to claim OLED is coming with M4 MacBook Pros.
That seems like a very strange complaint when any desktop Intel/AMD process combined with any AMD/NVIDIA GPU will heat up the whole house even more. This is primarily why I game on my Mac Studio, because the 13900k and 4090 setup just outputs too much heat.Throw Baldur's Gate 3 on it.
My 2023 M2 Max was struggling already and the heat was enough to warm my whole house at night.
That Macs can play games is a conspiracy theory spread by Russia's misinformation war for the express intent of getting you to spend more on Apple's GPU upgrade fees.Apple Logic:
- release M3 for improved gaming performance
- don’t release it for the desktop, where people actually game
- maybe bring m4 to the desktop, but update it as late as possible
To be fair to Apple the Mac Pro does cost a lot less than what it used to.Precisely. Mac Studio is less relevant today, and it will be two generations old if this rumor and the other one is true we won't see Mac Studio get updated until mid-2025. Apple has been frustrating pros since the trash can Mac Pro. They need to focus more on it.