M5 after Intel disapointments

[Matam]

I wish i could run Shufflepuck Cafe natively on Tahoe

 

[Dhonk]

After two Intel MacBooks and 10 years of flawless use—one after the other—I bought an M5 14" from Costco, and what a disappointment. I would honestly rather stay on my old MacBook for another five years.

Nothing—literally nothing—of the software I need is installing or running on it. I need Photoshop, I need its plugins, I need Movavi for video editing, etc.

Should I return it and get a Windows machine? What’s the point of a MacBook Pro if the applications you paid for won’t run on a brand new Mac? Why can’t they maintain backward compatibility?

You could return it, buy it on Amazon for $200 cheaper, and that would help pay for your updated silicon apps

 

[eltoslightfoot]

win 95 is first 32bit, you could still run apps from that era fine in latest win 11, so? that is 30 years later my friend!

I want you to do this and show me evidence. Having owned all the various versions of Windows between 3.11 for workgroups, 95, 98 SE, 2000, XP, Vista, 7, 8, 10, and now 11, I can tell you that this most likely would not work and definitely it would not work well.

To add on to this, I have tried to get many old games going (Oni from Bungie for instance) on my AMD Ryzen 5600x with 32GB RAM and an RTX5060Ti and nothing. It just uses too many frameworks that haven't been updated.

This is why when you see people still needing windows 95 for some custom software, they are still using it with windows 95...

 

[eltoslightfoot]

this thread is hilarious.

It really is. If the OP wants to use old software, then GREAT! We have entire forums dedicated to using old hardware and software.

So just get old hardware to go with their old software (like @MBAir2010 does).

Otherwise, accept that life has moved on, and OH MAN is it so much better.

The M series Macs are the best Macs of all time.

 

[ProcessorSolderedToMB]

This thread is a textbook example of certain type of computer user that will have a problem of some kind and in response will jump right over the possibility that they don’t know they’re doing, the possibility that they’re missing information or the possibility that they’re experiencing tractable issues that could be resolved by asking questions.

They head straight for complaints and despair.

Bonus points to them for assuming everything has gone down hill and everyone is acting in bad faith or has gone crazy.

They’ll perform contortionist acts to avoid acknowledging that they’re checked out, derelict in keeping up with the basic information required to continue doing what they intend.

It’s everyone else’s fault that they over simplify everything and skip over basic due diligence.

They believe that everything should just work everywhere forever and remain frozen in time. Independent changes to hardware, software and operating systems made by multiple parties should have no impact on their ancient workflows.

These users deserve to have a bad experience. They deserve to be angry. Instead of doing a few minutes of web research or asking questions, they deserve to undergo a far more laborious, time consuming and expensive platform transition.

They deserve to be unhappy when they’re using their computer.

In contrast, others in the thread who are here with us on Earth and not in their own worlds, they deserve the industry leading performance of the M5.

 

[Contact_Feanor]

I have only one question. Since you are using software that is several years old, did you check its compatibility with Apple Silicon Macs in advance? Because for each piece of software it is certainly possible to determine from which version onward Apple Silicon is supported. Or did you actually buy an Apple Silicon Mac and simply assume that the old software would run on it? Or perhaps you knew it wouldn’t run, bought it anyway. Or maybe you didn’t even buy one and are just trolling and came here to bash Apple Silicon Macs.

To me, this case sounds strange, because anyone who uses an old Intel Mac and old software and has even a basic understanding of IT knows that older versions are unlikely to work on Apple Silicon Macs. At the very least, they would investigate this beforehand, so it shouldn’t come as a surprise.

To be fair, people have the expectation that older software would just work because that's how apple described it when launching the apple silicon chips and how reviewers lauded rosette: often the intel versions used to run faster on the M1 than on the Intel Mac. However, "older version" here means a version available at the time apple silicon launched. The OP here seems to think that holds for versions that were new during the time of the PPC transition.

 

[Contact_Feanor]

It’s due to macOS being double the entry price.

Friend recently purchase an HP laptop with windows for $700 while the same spec Mac maybe a bit less would cost him $1500. Since this friend is stingy he would never pay extra for a Mac let along consider learning how it functions. Hence windows sales globally will always exceed macOS.

"the same spec Mac" doesn't exist. Yeah, some numbers may sound similar, but how do you get a $700 HP with the same cpu power and battery life as even the cheapest available Mac?

 

[IceCool]

I have a hard time understanding this sheepish attitude towards things like this. In my book old software should run forever on newer hardware. This is one of the few things Microsoft seems to get right.

I don’t agree with this at all… we shouldn’t hinder future advancements solely for background compatibility unless it’s mission critical to the core experience.

As time goes on, things, like maybe some APIs for example, will be updated in ways that inevitably break certain old software - requiring the developer to make the appropriate changes to restore the functionality on newer OS’s versions.

If I discontinued my own software from 10 years ago, I’m likely not going to go back to update it when either A) newer versions are available (which there are many of in OP’s case) or if B) there are only a small subset of users for said software since it can take a lot of time and effort - especially when one has more important or mission critical projects to work on. I don’t believe that this should be forced on a developer.

Obviously there are some cases, however few, where I could agree that developers should update older software, but this isn’t one of them.

 

[IceCool]

I’ve had a good laugh reading this thread.

OP, enjoy your new M5 MacBook - you’ll love it! 🤣🤣🤣

 

[Jumpthesnark]

I run Mojave on intel mini (2018) just so I can run Adobe Ps and Ai CS3 that I own. Anything newer than CS5 just adds fluff features, nothing a real designer would ever need or use.

Speaking not as a designer but as a photographer, many of the older versions of Adobe and other photo software (such as the version you mention) do not work with the RAW files from cameras made over the past 15 years or so. CS3 uses Adobe Camera RAW 4.6, whereas the current version of ACR is 18.1.1.

So for photographers using a digital camera made within the past decade and a half (including iPhones), the newer versions of Adobe photo software don't simply add "fluff features," but the compatibility needed to simply open a RAW file in the application.

Again, that's for photographers, not designers. OP hasn't said what they do with Photoshop.

 

[Jumpthesnark]

What’s the point of a MacBook Pro if the applications you paid for won’t run on a brand new Mac?

It's the kind of thing most of us probably considered before switching from Intel to AS Macs. "Will the software I currently have work on the new machine? If not, what are my options? Will it work under Rosetta? Will I have to get new software?"

Give us some version numbers for the apps and plugins you use, and maybe we can help. Many of the people here have asked for that information and you've yet to reply.

 

[DIMEZ]

I run Mojave on intel mini (2018) just so I can run Adobe Ps and Ai CS3 that I own. Anything newer than CS5 just adds fluff features, nothing a real designer would ever need or use.

lmaoo Im a real designer. but im sorry too tell you but your missing out. the latest creative suit cuts down so much time with Ai alone. You might want to upgrade, so many tools to make productivity faster.

I'm one if the best designers out and was self tought young. before cs was even I thing. So I learn everything the long and hard way.

Now there's so much tools in photoshop that cuts down the work and make things easier.

-coming from a real designer.

 

[Imperial926]

I think this person is just having a laugh. None of their comments are credible.

 

[TechnoMonk]

FIrst you make a point about the hardware life cycle.

Then I point out that it is not about the hardware but the software.

Now you come with a completely different argument about security and mom and pop stores?
Can you please make up your mind which goalpost you are defending?

Fact is that security updates and longevity of programs is guaranteed much longer on Windows than on MacOS, regardless what OS you personally may prefer.

That's the reason most companies, including multinationals and mom and pop stores globally prefer Windows.

To get on topic:
That's why the OP probably should have stayed on a Windows machine.. more chance his old Photoshop would still run. But the most uncertain factor here is Adobe and not MS or Apple 😉

I was replying to a post on life time of a windows device to a different poster. You brought in software lifecycle and so on. Truth is most of windows market share is large enterprises who don’t use hardware or software beyond 3 years and may be 5 years for some software.

 

[TechnoMonk]

lmaoo Im a real designer. but im sorry too tell you but your missing out. the latest creative suit cuts down so much time with Ai alone. You might want to upgrade, so many tools to make productivity faster.

I'm one if the best designers out and was self tought young. before cs was even I thing. So I learn everything the long and hard way.

Now there's so much tools in photoshop that cuts down the work and make things easier.

-coming from a real designer.

I am not even a real designer lol. But there are so many compatibility issues with cameras and file formats that it’s hard to use Cs3. I wish it all worked so I don’t have to at adobe subscriptions.

 

[Allen_Wentz]

After two Intel MacBooks and 10 years of flawless use—one after the other—I bought an M5 14" from Costco, and what a disappointment. I would honestly rather stay on my old MacBook for another five years.

Nothing—literally nothing—of the software I need is installing or running on it. I need Photoshop, I need its plugins, I need Movavi for video editing, etc.

Should I return it and get a Windows machine? What’s the point of a MacBook Pro if the applications you paid for won’t run on a brand new Mac? Why can’t they maintain backward compatibility?

OP makes no sense. New hardware requires new OS versions and new OS versions require new app versions and new app versions require new plug ins, etc. It has always been this way, especially with the images apps like PS that the OP and I both use, and the OP having used PS for more than a decade should be fully aware.

That is why folks like me have waited for the X.3 version of OSs and even skipped some OS versions entirely. And I configure with maximum available RAM to make sure I can get a 5-7 year life cycle from new hardware. So live with slow old hardware and apps - - or bite the bullet, pay for new apps and do the PITA work of learning new OS/app versions.

I strongly recommend switching away from Adobe to the [now free] Canva Affinity app suite. I switched before the Affinity apps were a combined free suite. Pros sharing their work mainstream with others are mostly already chained into the latest sucky Adobe CC and the issues being raised by the OP would be moot.

Windows vs. Mac is not the point here, just pick what one prefers. But [IMO necessary] upgrading does require spending money [buying more RAM in particular, because RAM needs are always increasing] and learning curve.

 

[seek3r]

To be fair, people have the expectation that older software would just work because that's how apple described it when launching the apple silicon chips and how reviewers lauded rosette: often the intel versions used to run faster on the M1 than on the Intel Mac. However, "older version" here means a version available at the time apple silicon launched. The OP here seems to think that holds for versions that were new during the time of the PPC transition.

The problem here isnt the arch change though, the problem is adobe is weird and uses a lot of code custom written for specific versions of the OS*, and the version OP is using isnt supported on Tahoe. They’d have the same problem if they had a 2019 mac pro running Tahoe

*Tbh knowing how adobe operates I wouldnt be surprised if there’s also
If($MACOS_VERSION>$MACOS_VERSION_AT_RELEASE+1) {
Exit(“screw you, user, pony up for a new license”);
}

 

[platinumaqua]

Saying for what it is. If you want to avoid the upgrade treadmill, Mac is not the platform you should invest in.

 

[Bob_DM]

More like you bought a much newer gas car, but your old car ran on diesel and you can't transfer the diesel into the new car's tank. Some tech is fundamentally incompatible and that's just how it goes. You could virtualize an older macOS version on your M5, but that's probably going to cost more than you want to pay, too.

It’s more like buying a Tesla and trying to tank gas or diesel …

 

[DIMEZ]

I am not even a real designer lol. But there are so many compatibility issues with cameras and file formats that it’s hard to use Cs3. I wish it all worked so I don’t have to at adobe subscriptions.

Between apple and adobe I hate subscriptions too. But at least with adobe with $20 a month you get your values worth. All products, cloud storage and AI...

It lightens the blow.

 

[Tyler O'Bannon]

After two Intel MacBooks and 10 years of flawless use—one after the other—I bought an M5 14" from Costco, and what a disappointment. I would honestly rather stay on my old MacBook for another five years.

Nothing—literally nothing—of the software I need is installing or running on it. I need Photoshop, I need its plugins, I need Movavi for video editing, etc.

Should I return it and get a Windows machine? What’s the point of a MacBook Pro if the applications you paid for won’t run on a brand new Mac? Why can’t they maintain backward compatibility?

I have the most recent Intel MacBook Pro, and I don’t wanna have it another day, much less the next five years. It will not receive OS updates beyond Tahoe. It’s slow. It’s hot all the time. It has a fraction of the power of the M5. Nobody in their right mind would want an Intel MacBook Pro now, nor would they want one any day forward from now either.

 

[_iCeb0x_]

Bill Gates Windows 11

Why do people still talk about Bill Gates when talking about Microsoft? He stepped out of the CEO position in 2000 and left the company in 2006! You could say he was in the board of directors until 2020, but he was not even an employee anymore!

 

[Charliebird]

I'm sure bitching here will fix your problems.

 

[_iCeb0x_]

I need Photoshop, I need its plugins

According to Google, Apple announced the end of perpetual licenses for Photoshop in May 2013, and the last version that had this kind of license available was CS6, which was discontinued in January 2017. Next month will mark 9 years since the discontinuation.

So, even during the COVID lockdown (2020), Photoshop was already only available through subscriptions, which allow you to update to the latest version, as long as you’re paying you annual or monthly fee (the software won’t even work otherwise).

If you can’t just run the updater, there may be something wrong on your side… just saying!

 

[bellflyer14]

After two Intel MacBooks and 10 years of flawless use—one after the other—I bought an M5 14" from Costco, and what a disappointment. I would honestly rather stay on my old MacBook for another five years.

Nothing—literally nothing—of the software I need is installing or running on it. I need Photoshop, I need its plugins, I need Movavi for video editing, etc.

Should I return it and get a Windows machine? What’s the point of a MacBook Pro if the applications you paid for won’t run on a brand new Mac? Why can’t they maintain backward compatibility?

Return immediately. m5 apple can't run most simple programs. instead, buy a Chromebook