Ah, my apologies Olly, I should have read the whole thread rather than just jump into the conversation where all context was lost
That said, this may finally usher in a change in how people view their computers.
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Ah, my apologies Olly, I should have read the whole thread rather than just jump into the conversation where all context was lost
That said, this may finally usher in a change in how people view their computers.
I agree. Anything which makes using a computer easier for the majority of (non-techy) users has to be encouraged.
Exactly. It's been really depressing to me to see all these developers putting their efforts into new apps for iOS while the software available for OS X continues to be a pretty thin selection. I am hoping that the Mac App Store will get more people developing software for Mac OS X.
Apple gets to skim 30% off the top of developers' hard work, so the Apple fanbois are all drooling with excitement.
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So does anyone know if the credits for itunes are going to be able to be used on the mac app store? Or are we going to have to purchase "Mac app store" credits?
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Hear, hear! My sentiments exactly...although as an iPhone and iPad owner, I do use iTunes. I find myself trapped in that box on a regular basis.
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Hear, hear! My sentiments exactly...although as an iPhone and iPad owner, I do use iTunes. I find myself trapped in that box on a regular basis.
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Not really. I use my Mac for Adobe CS5, Final Cut, Cinema 4D, you know, high end production apps you maybe have never heard of.
Of course you may ask, and thanks for doing it in a civilized manner.
For one, yes I don't really believe there will be much worth for me in it. The productivity apps (except Apples own Final Cut of course, but I think one will still be able to buy it in a box) I mentioned will most certainly not appear in the AppStore, as Adobe or Maxon will not give 30% of their revenue to Apple. The people buying these things know what they want for their needs. And no regular consumer will spontaneously buy the Adobe Suite for 2000 bucks.
As for indie apps, it might be a better choice, but I don't like to fill my Mac with too much stuff I won't use anyway. I know what I need, like Cyberduck, and where to find it.
But all of this is not the reason I'm against it. The main reason is that, with Apple, you never know. If the AppStore is a huge success, which it most certainly will be, there may come the day where it will become the only real source for Mac programms, with Apple as the censor above them all. And imo this is a really bad thing, because who is Apple to know what everybody wants on ones own computer, bought with ones own money?
This completely closed platform thing works great for mobile phones, but not for much more complex computers.
Apart from that, Apple will collect the data from everyone who ones a Mac and uses the AppStore. Profiles of what people like, what they don't like, what they download and what they use for how long. There will be buyers for that, be it other corporations or the government. And the way it works with deals between big corporations and governments, you won't even know about your data being sold to the highest bidder.
So, you can call me paranoid, which many of you will, but anybody can inform himself about some really bad things going on on the internet censorship/surveillance front. So if I see something that provides infrastructure for this, and I don't really see any actual benefit for me, it's an easy choice not to use it.
While I absolutely like my Mac Pro, my MacBook Pro and Mac OS 10.6., I don't have to like every single one of Apples offerings. I don't have an iTunes account either, as I'm oldfashioned and prefer to buy CDs.
Every coin has a flip side
And for those transitioning from Apple OSX to Windows 7 - apparently Windows users have been able to find software without a semi-benevolent overlord presenting it to them in a walled garden.
should help some ease of transitioning from pc to mac for some users as they dont have to hunt down some hard to find software in retail stores with their miniscule displays
And for those transitioning from Apple OSX to Windows 7 - apparently Windows users have been able to find software without a semi-benevolent overlord presenting it to them in a walled garden.
And for those transitioning from Apple OSX to Windows 7 - apparently Windows users have been able to find software without a semi-benevolent overlord presenting it to them in a walled garden.
Because having another option as to where to get your software is a bad thing.
*waits for the "slippery slope" and "just you wait" rebuttals*
This is good for:
New Apple users
This is "meh" news to:
Long time mac users, as we all have the software we use already.
Last mac App I bought was 1Password, 6 months ago, and before that, I can't remember...
New Apple users
This is "meh" news to:
Long time mac users, as we all have the software we use already.
Last mac App I bought was 1Password, 6 months ago, and before that, I can't remember...
umm actually apple said WITHIN 90 days...so this wouldn't be a surprise really....it would be great, but not really surprising....they said within meaning anytime WITHIN the 90 day frame time....not a full 90 days...
anyways..... AWESOME!!!
anyways..... AWESOME!!!
Because having another option as to where to get your software is a bad thing.
*waits for the "slippery slope" and "just you wait" rebuttals*
You just wait until Apple goes down that slippery slope!
If it stays "just another option" then it's no big deal.
The overlord's Apple, however, hasn't historically been too friendly to the idea of options.
For the sake of Apple OSX users, I hope that my worries are unwarranted.
You just wait until Apple goes down that slippery slope!
If it stays "just another option" then it's no big deal.
The overlord's Apple, however, hasn't historically been too friendly to the idea of options.
For the sake of Apple OSX users, I hope that my worries are unwarranted.
I hope so too. I'm rather excited for this, but being a mac user for the past 5 years I have my fears..
I like the idea of App Store...
I just hope they don't ruin it with some Cupertino Neo-Fascist politics and / or similar - keeping me fingers crossed!
+1
I'm guardedly optimistic about this. Just hope Apple don't reject innovative stuff that they want to keep for themselves to use in later versions of OSX. Remember the wifi sync for iPhone that weirdly got rejected from the Appstore? I'm sure there are loads more examples but my mind's blank at the minute.
Ha Ha. Yeah - and to scatter credit card and other personal details around to the web to purchase software seems to be a better option for some people, too. That is, if you find the software you are looking for, in the first place.
I wonder, what Aiden has to say say, when after a successful lunch of the App store, Microsoft copies the concept - which, of course, they will.
I know my aunt would have loved that option a few months back after she got Windows 7 installed on her computer. She couldn't find a Mail Software - but she was looking at the wrong place. Finally she found Thunderbird... 
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We'll have to Jailbreak our Macs to make them work right.
Winni said:Not really. I use my Mac for Adobe CS5, Final Cut, Cinema 4D, you know, high end production apps you maybe have never heard of.
Of course you may ask, and thanks for doing it in a civilized manner.
For one, yes I don't really believe there will be much worth for me in it. The productivity apps (except Apples own Final Cut of course, but I think one will still be able to buy it in a box) I mentioned will most certainly not appear in the AppStore, as Adobe or Maxon will not give 30% of their revenue to Apple. The people buying these things know what they want for their needs. And no regular consumer will spontaneously buy the Adobe Suite for 2000 bucks.
As for indie apps, it might be a better choice, but I don't like to fill my Mac with too much stuff I won't use anyway. I know what I need, like Cyberduck, and where to find it.
But all of this is not the reason I'm against it. The main reason is that, with Apple, you never know. If the AppStore is a huge success, which it most certainly will be, there may come the day where it will become the only real source for Mac programms, with Apple as the censor above them all. And imo this is a really bad thing, because who is Apple to know what everybody wants on ones own computer, bought with ones own money?
This completely closed platform thing works great for mobile phones, but not for much more complex computers.
Apart from that, Apple will collect the data from everyone who ones a Mac and uses the AppStore. Profiles of what people like, what they don't like, what they download and what they use for how long. There will be buyers for that, be it other corporations or the government. And the way it works with deals between big corporations and governments, you won't even know about your data being sold to the highest bidder.
So, you can call me paranoid, which many of you will, but anybody can inform himself about some really bad things going on on the internet censorship/surveillance front. So if I see something that provides infrastructure for this, and I don't really see any actual benefit for me, it's an easy choice not to use it.
While I absolutely like my Mac Pro, my MacBook Pro and Mac OS 10.6., I don't have to like every single one of Apples offerings. I don't have an iTunes account either, as I'm oldfashioned and prefer to buy CDs.
I agree with your assessment, and I also do not trust Apple in this regard. They're the most proprietary player in the industry, and they put much effort into keeping their Walled Garden closed. This Mac AppStore thing in Snow Leopard is a test run. If it succeeds, they eventually -will- turn Mac OS X into another closed platform -- and, of course, they will claim that it is all about the customer experience, to make things easy for them.
I never liked the "it's our way or the highway" attitude behind the iOS AppStore, and I will certainly not support them when they bring the same attitude to the Mac AppStore.
But I also don't have any illusions. The Mac AppStore will become a massive success on the Mac platform. It would never work on Windows or Linux, but the traditional Mac customers are a different crowd of people, and most of the reasons why they will heavily support Apple's next Walled Garden will defy logic and... well, reason. It will be about something closer to faith into Apple's supposedly superior designs.
The Mac AppStore won't make it easier for you to download, install and update your software. It's already as simple as it gets with drag & drop and built-in auto-updates. So all that this AppStore does is make it easier for you to spend more money on an already expensive platform. But then again, this spending-money-thing is one aspect of the Mac experience...
We'll have to Jailbreak our Macs to make them work right.
It is so incredibly refreshing to read your highly intelligent, well thought out take on this topic. I agree with every single point you've made.
I also have lots of enthusiasm for the PowerBooks, MBP's & Mac Pro's past & present that have been the tools I've earned my living with. Yet I'm no blind follower or worshiper of all things Apple.
Paranoid? Heck no, I'd say you're smart to be skeptical, as that's a very healthy position to take. Those who are behind this 100% with so little facts, simply reveal their preference to let Steve think for them, and continue to practice his dictatorial ways.
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This is so true. Many have no interest in educating themselves and are basically lazy. Apple knows this and exploits their ignorance. I also agree that it will be wildly successful for three primary reasons. It's easy, it's fashionable, and as such it's the tech gear to be seen with. Many are just as as vain as Jobs himself. These shiny toys are made just for them.
So if I purchase numbers or iMovie in the MAS, do I receive constant updates to that program like the iOS app store v. buying successive versions in iWork or iLife?
Also, the interface for the iOS app store in iTunes is horrible on my Mac and exponentially worse on my iDevices. I would probably have twice the apps if it weren't for the frustration factor of iTunes/App Store.
As a recent (4 year) convert, I still love working/playing/living on the Mac and most other apple platforms... but I have to reluctantly agree with some others on this board that things are slipping as far as quality and user experience. Hopefully the MAS will break this trend.
Also, the interface for the iOS app store in iTunes is horrible on my Mac and exponentially worse on my iDevices. I would probably have twice the apps if it weren't for the frustration factor of iTunes/App Store.
As a recent (4 year) convert, I still love working/playing/living on the Mac and most other apple platforms... but I have to reluctantly agree with some others on this board that things are slipping as far as quality and user experience. Hopefully the MAS will break this trend.
That is huge, but it's not "Lion". Especially if Snow Leopard, etc. are getting it. Thus making the Lion "Demo" pointless as far as Lion goes.
God knows more options and features are a bad thing.
Please show us some examples of where "Apple IOS" means more options and features.
(Obviously, meaning more options and features than "Apple OSX"...)