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After a bad experience with an iPad Pro 2017 (Apple fixed the bad experience) I brought a Surface Pro 6, it was fine at first but started to lag! Also I think MacOS is far superior to Windows!

I know own a 13” 2019 MacBook Pro with Touch Bar and I love it! Great machine with an operating system that I love!
 
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To be fair, Reminders isn't really an apples-to-apples comparison with Todo. Todo kinda sucks. I prefer Todoist. Even Wunderlist is still better than Todo. Now on the office suite, you are completely correct. I use them all and really, really like Onenote over the competition especially on my iPad, Mac desktop, and iPhone. ;)

Not exactly the same thing, but I love workflowy.
 
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What do they mean when they say lasts longer? Pretty vague. Must be talking about boot time lasting longer.

If they trying to say battery run time lasts longer. then for me this entire ad is discredited.
 
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Of all the bizarre Microsoft advertising over the years this is at least approaching sanity. It’s still a long way from good though... Makes a little more sense than their recent efforts advertising Office365.... by trashing their retail version of the product... who does their marketing? Steve Balmer personally?
 
The new Mini is my jam. The fact that it took so long to get a refresh still irks me something fierce, but better late than never, I guess?

Yeah it was a long time coming. I wonder if it was on the chopping block in the 2016/2017 timeframe before deciding to keep it around, but repositioning it away from the “switcher” target market.

Hopefully we’ll see an update next year—I expect a two year cadence like iMac/iMac Pro/MBA—but Intel. I think @Zdigital2015 has been tracking the release schedule of the new 65W S-series but I can’t remember their projected release. Should see 8- and 10-core(?) if it’s on 10nm.

I agree 100%. I think both the Mac mini and the Mac Pro were on the chopping block at the C suite level to free up more manufacturing lines for iPhone and iPad, free up engineers, free up marketing, the whole enchilada (mmm, enchiladas...well, really, tacos...if you have Netflix, watch Taco Chronicles, OMG, now I want tacos...anyways...). I suspect a few in the C-Suite disagreed strongly and argued that keeping them in stasis might be a hit on their rep, but the products would still be available for those who wanted to buy them. I honestly think that Apple has known, or has had a pretty good idea that the iPhone was reaching critical saturation and pursued a strategy to really differentiate (FaceID, A11 Bionic, dual-lens camera, full-screen OLED) as an excuse to push prices higher as they reached a critical inflection point. Given that inflection point, they pivoted in a fairly minor way to the Mac to shore up those two woefully neglected models and markets.

The Mac Pro is a niche product with limited appeal regardless and so they built a niche machine and charge commensurately for it now.

The Mac mini is no longer considered a switcher machine, the iPhone or iPad is now the main focus of "switchers", Windows won, but Android hasn't, they are dead on the Tablet side and while they crap out phones like a baby eating strained peas and apricots, Google is as much a detriment as it is an asset to Android OS. Pixel isn't the product, you are.

So, the mini serves a really weird and diverse set of users, from rack servers to devs, to video production, to on the road, to HTPC, and anything in-between. The upmarket release ticked a lot of people off, but those were the people who will only ever buy the bottom of the line at the cheapest possible price and upgrade themselves, because macOS still beats Windows in just doing your daily jam, no matter how much the "Windows is just as good crowd" lectures us that we are sheep out of one side of their mouths while decrying Apple's unwillingness to make a cheap three PCIe slot mini tower when Acer, Dell, HP and Lenovo produce multiple lines of these, but they don't run macOS, but I digress.

Intel still has a couple of Generations of CPUs at 14nm+++###$$$wootwoot waiting in the wings for us while they struggle to ship Ice Lake in volume to PC OEMs in time to stuff the holiday retail channel with 10nm U-Series laptops. They did the same thing with the 8th Gen (Core i5-8250U and i5-8350U, to the rescue, Dell, HP, et al), which prompted a decent upgrade cycle because now a $799 laptop had four cores instead of two, which was not insignificant.

So, anyways, Apple is lengthening their upgrade cycles, and moving SKUs a bit higher in price, most likely make room at the bottom and lower middle tiers for ARM-based Macs, which I think is going to be a longer transition than the PowerPC to Intel one, at least for the consumer segment. Apple knows that colder turkey, like the G5 to Mac Pro, two and done on the macOS front is probably not going to fly well because the Mac user base is HUGE compared to 2005 when PowerBook G5 was the original Internet meme.

Given that, I don't see the mini getting upgraded this year as the 8th Gen CPUs in use also permeate the recently upgraded 2019 iMac, and while beefier and coreier, don't up the brawn level until Apple has to decide if they want 8c/8t or 8c/16t in a Mac mini. Those CPUs, while fairly new, still have UHD "Throw it in there, cause we just don't care" 630 Graphics onboard. If Apple can wait for 10th Gen S-Series, drop dGPUs and charge the same price (21.5" models), they will, they've done it before.

So that does leave a gap and question mark in the lineup given that S-Series desktop CPUs at 10nm (Promises, Promises Lake) aren't on tap until late 2020 or 2021, depending on which "leaked" fake roadmap you see on Wccftech, Tom's Hardware, et al. Right now, I'm of the mind that if you can wait until the second week of November to see if Apple refreshes the mini, sure, wait. If not, buy the Core i7 model and jam it full of cheap DDR4 before the memory cabal figures out how to get around those pesky collusion accusations, cuts production and we're all back to paying $200 for 2-8GB DIMMs. The DDR5 excuse will be cited and quoted like a bad prom picture, mark my words.

Bottom line, I think an update of the mini this year is unlikely.

PS-Intel has published their first SKUs for 10th Gen in the ARK, which now sports Iris GPUs. These are the aforementioned 15w U-Series models only that would be perfectly at home in the 13" MacBook Pro...yay, progress...oh, wait, Apple just refreshed the 13" MBP...sigh. Of course, they aren't in the wild yet and better for Dell to test them on their customers and Apple to observe success or failure from a relatively safe vantage point. Everyone look at the camera and say, "Broadwell!"

Source: https://ark.intel.com/content/www/u...10th-generation-intel-core-i7-processors.html

Stay sane!
 
and while they crap out phones like a baby eating strained peas and apricots, Google is as much a detriment as it is an asset to Android OS
Glad I wasn’t drinking coffee when I read that
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Bottom line, I think an update of the mini this year is unlikely.
Which is why I bought it last year. No way the mini will get any love for a while. Even Apple employees look at them with derision. I looove mine. My first mac and I’d have nothing else.
 
"I seriously can't find a single issue with Microsoft Office, and I use it extensively every day, from Access, to Excel (including Macros), Word, Powerpoint, OneNote etc., for pretty serious stuff. Not an issue (on Windows 10)."

Yeah, especially Excel, it really has no equal from the day Microsoft stole all the good ideas from Lotus 123, Excel has been the king of all things numerical. Comparing Numbers to Excel is like comparing a Jeep Wrangler (which is a good vehicle in it's own ways) to a semi truck when it comes to hauling freight. It's just more suited to the tasks that so many people in so many cubicles need it for every day.
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All I can really say is I'm glad I don't work in your office.

...because...? Lousy coffee? too much chattering in the aisles? Poor benefits? They refuse to stock Pop Tarts in the vending machines?
 
"I seriously can't find a single issue with Microsoft Office, and I use it extensively every day, from Access, to Excel (including Macros), Word, Powerpoint, OneNote etc., for pretty serious stuff. Not an issue (on Windows 10)."

Yeah, especially Excel, it really has no equal from the day Microsoft stole all the good ideas from Lotus 123, Excel has been the king of all things numerical. Comparing Numbers to Excel is like comparing a Jeep Wrangler (which is a good vehicle in it's own ways) to a semi truck when it comes to hauling freight. It's just more suited to the tasks that so many people in so many cubicles need it for every day.

Yeah, Excel really has no equal. To be honest, even Word is pretty great now (I used to despise it). Access is a good compromise for many. I am not a big user of OneNote, but it's truly well made, and I have no complaint vs. Outlook.
I do agree with @jonblatho that Keynote is still better than Powerpoint, but I think that the delta is getting smaller.

...because...? Lousy coffee? too much chattering in the aisles? Poor benefits? They refuse to stock Pop Tarts in the vending machines?

Admittedly, coffee is pretty lousy here as we get Folgers. It's 100% free, but it's definitely not good quality.
 
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Which is why I bought it last year. No way the mini will get any love for a while. Even Apple employees look at them with derision. I looove mine. My first mac and I’d have nothing else.

Wow, if that is true, it is sad. Do you mean at the Apple Stores? For what it's worth, I don't really trust Apple Stores anymore in terms of product recommendations (I once did).

But, if so, that is silly. The new Mac mini is one of the best products Apple has put out in a while. I absolutely love mine, and while I probably wouldn't have switched to Windows (see below), I was seriously trying to figure out how I was going to leave Apple before the mini was updated.

I *really* didn't want one of Apple's now ruined laptop line. The iMac wasn't updated, and has some serious limitations (unless you can afford an iMac Pro, and even then, it's a single-use display). I had considered a 2013 MP, but that was a lot of $ for a fairly old machine, and no current ports. It was the first time in my 30+ year history with Apple that I had no clue what to buy.... until the mini.

I really don't understand what people don't get about it. Where's the love? :)

Yeah, especially Excel, it really has no equal from the day Microsoft stole all the good ideas from Lotus 123, Excel has been the king of all things numerical. Comparing Numbers to Excel is like comparing a Jeep Wrangler (which is a good vehicle in it's own ways) to a semi truck when it comes to hauling freight.

Excel really is the Microsoft product. I agree that it's kind of a must-have for a lot of people. I just don't find too much else they make/do to be compelling (well, besides Minecraft).

Prefer macOS any day.

Exactly. Most people are going to be making the decision based on the OS, not whether the hardware is OK enough. If it were just about the hardware, most people would already have abandoned Apple over the last decade or so.

I have Bootcamp on my Mac. I've also used Windows, probably, for the majority of my working time over my career. I'm proficient with it, but I've never liked it. The grass isn't greener. So, even if Microsoft had some stellar hardware, it wouldn't convince me to move. (If I abandon Apple someday, it will be because they get too stupid... which I was getting concerned about, to be honest.)
 
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I haven't bothered to actually watch the ad (I have zero desire to run any Windows App or any Windows OS) - but I guess this sounded great after a few beers, like so many ideas.

In harsh daylight however...
 
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Wow, if that is true, it is sad. Do you mean at the Apple Stores? For what it's worth, I don't really trust Apple Stores anymore in terms of product recommendations (I once did).
I went to an Apple store looking to see if they knew of a small grey magic keyboard in the pipeline (no). I said it was for my mac mini - pointing to theirs. It didn’t get a vote of confidence and was told they rarely sold them.
 
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i mean, it's true.

my 2009 Samsung r560 runs as fast today as it was when it came out. boots in 20 seconds into Windows 10 with a hard drive.

the 2009 MacBook Pro i had the honour of working with (with the same 2.4 ghz core 2duo, same 8gb ram and same 9600gt) is, quite literally, unusable today. draw a line in InDesign? have fun waiting 1.5 minutes.
 
At the office we canceled a 50 SurfaceBook pilot due to 9 necessary hardware repairs within 90 days. Not ready for prime time, we’ll stick with Dell (and Apple)
 
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That's a perfectly serviceable commercial, and I have no problem giving credit where it's due. That said... I did think the audio was off and Mac Book's voice came through a bit more soft than the music/voice over, which made the punches of the jokes fall a bit flat.

A for Effort
B- for Execution
 
The battery deteriorates faster on a SP compared to a MB. So much so a plugged in charger 24/7 on the SP is a must. I can say from personal experience, I believe it's to do with Win10's power management or lack thereof, whereas the Mac will register when the battery is charged the SP keeps on powering knackering the battery faster, or so I've been told!:D
 
i actually find it funny that they went out of their way to find someone called Mac Book to be featured in their ads.

I just don't understand why are they targeting the Macbook since Apple marketshare is like %15 and laptop shares of that is even less.
 
i actually find it funny that they went out of their way to find someone called Mac Book to be featured in their ads.

They probably think they are being funny and clever.... and I guess they are, in that really typical awkward Microsoft kind of way. I'll bet Balmer laughed for hours while watching it over and over again, though.
 
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