Josh said:
From now on don't hurt yourself for a person posting or saying such idiotic things, hurt THEM!
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From now on don't hurt yourself for a person posting or saying such idiotic things, hurt THEM!
ezekielrage_99 said:The sad thing is the ABSOLUTE only thing I miss about XP is that annoying time filler Solitare
Have a peek at Solitaire XL then. Now you can waste time on your Mac too (and it looks better than the XP version).
Something I noticed while talking to a friend about the possibility of MGS 4 on 360 (which Kirojima says is possible, maybe going to happen - w00t! ), how many M$ haters are there on this site? Yes, I know, they don't innovate that much and their PC products are crap, but how many are there who refuse to beleive that they make some good products?
), how many M$ haters are there on this site? Yes, I know, they don't innovate that much and their PC products are crap, but how many are there who refuse to beleive that they make some good products?
greatdevourer said:Something I noticed while talking to a friend about the possibility of MGS 4 on 360 (which Kirojima says is possible, maybe going to happen - w00t!
It's a fair point, but certainly from my point of view being a fan of Apple doesn't automatically make me a Microsoft hater.
Having said that, it's our playground and if we want to make fun of the smelly kids down the block then we can. It's just outrageous when they do the same to us.
Josh said:
That's partially true. IE REdefines the standards and forces web developers to comply because most users use IE. Call it a monopoly, call it having the public by the balls, call it what you want--it's not a good thing.
You encountered what I like to call "an idiot." Don't waste your time trying to fix him--just refuse to fix his computer when it breaks.
Nice!dsharits said:
allready only into about four posts and this is one of my favorite anti mac quotes;
"Macs = cushy luxury cars with automatic transmissions for people who don't want to deal with maintenance."
Im probably one of them. Ive been using macs since 1988 and would consider myself PC illiterate. the few times I have used a PC I was amazed at the hoops you had to go through to do the same things you would do on a mac in a click or two.Timelessblur said:
No, Jesus is still Jesus. Bill Gates is Billy Grahm...Rod Rod said:I have to reject that statement because the implication is if Christians and Windows users are sheep, that would mean Bill Gates is Jesus.
Horrortaxi said:
I see the point you're making, but I disagree.
The web standards are completely seperate from IE - they are controlled by the W3C.
The hacks and tweaks we developers do to make IE work are quite common and 'typical', but I wouldn't go as far as calling them 'standards.'
Whike IE may be the most used browser, if IE is the only browser that developers write special code for just to make it work, I think that puts IE in the minority as far as standards go. I've never written a CSS file specifically for any other browser, but I do it often for IE.
Josh said:
I know that W3C sets the standards and that Microsoft doesn't comply with the standards. But they call their stuff the standard (and because they've got the muscle it becomes the de facto standard regardless of what W3C says). Most end users don't know this or don't care so nothing changes. Try to explain to them that you have to hack compliant code to make the page look right in IE and they don't get it. Ignorance is bliss.
By the way, IE on Mac is dead now. Will this actually affect anybody's life?
I was just leaving a christmas party (I knew NO ONE there, and was getting bored with all of these older rich people around me) and as I was going through the house to get to the coat closet, I ran into a guy tlaking to a girl abotu macs. HE was enthusiatstic and so I dipped in "sorry, I used to work for Apple" and we started talking and I told the girl about the intel move, what to look for when it happens, why macs are better than PC's (cos WINDOWS CAN SUCK IT!).
The guy that was tlaking said he moved from MS to Linux, then to OS X cos it kicks linux's ass (mostly true). We talked for a good 20 minutes before I left.
But it's nice to see that there are some intelligent people that try before they start making stupid comments about it.
Anyone that bashes Macs at my office I threaten with physical harm for their stupidity after I yell at them about how pompous and ignoratn they are judging a system that they last used on an APPLE II.
The guy that was tlaking said he moved from MS to Linux, then to OS X cos it kicks linux's ass (mostly true). We talked for a good 20 minutes before I left.
But it's nice to see that there are some intelligent people that try before they start making stupid comments about it.
Anyone that bashes Macs at my office I threaten with physical harm for their stupidity after I yell at them about how pompous and ignoratn they are judging a system that they last used on an APPLE II.
My co-workers have initially made some passing comments about Mac in a sort of condescending sort of tone. It's funny to see their faces when I tell them what I'm doing/have done with it. An example would be setting up VNC so I don't even have to directly use the Dell box on the floor under my desk.
We just have to educate others (at the least the one's whose minds haven't completely turned off).
We just have to educate others (at the least the one's whose minds haven't completely turned off).
Blackheart said:
what ever happened to microsoft office 2004 for mac
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apple works being able to read all word files
DanTekGeek said:
you know what I have always thought that in my head
I mean look at me I don't even have a mac yet
and I love them
die hard linux fan:
"Mac is just linux that has been locked down" - actually somewhat true
"If you have poor people (not so poor) and you gave them computer hardware which operating system would they get a free one or one that costs money" - okay
windows fan (my father):
"we're a (Microsoft) office based family" -
"Macs are only good for graphics and aren't good for normal use" -
"where just staying with windows, we're not switching" - afraid of change; possible (been working with computers (windows) almost all his life)
friend's family (father):
"you know how much money we spend on spyware and virus protection a month"
"she (wife) once downloaded an attachment because it said it came from the FBI" -
the friend's family are going to be my first switchers
"Mac is just linux that has been locked down" - actually somewhat true
"If you have poor people (not so poor) and you gave them computer hardware which operating system would they get a free one or one that costs money" - okay
windows fan (my father):
"we're a (Microsoft) office based family" -
"Macs are only good for graphics and aren't good for normal use" -
"where just staying with windows, we're not switching" - afraid of change; possible (been working with computers (windows) almost all his life)
friend's family (father):
"you know how much money we spend on spyware and virus protection a month"
"she (wife) once downloaded an attachment because it said it came from the FBI" -
the friend's family are going to be my first switchers
My family usually says stuff like this, with commentary my me:
"Macs and their software look good, but try using it. It sucks."
To each his own. I find both quite useful, easy to use, and pretty.
"Macs are good for creative stuff, like music and stuff, but I can't stand using (insert non creative program) on a mac."
Apparantly Word for Mac sucks, according to the guy who said this. I've only ever tried it on OS 8.6, so i can't comment, only that ClarisWorks 4.0 works for my school, and i don't like Word for Mac either. Please no comments on how old this software is, we haven't updated a good hunk of our hardware in 10 years.
"You have to use Apple software, cause it costs too much to buy other stuff"
Most of Apple's stuff is good enough for me, so I can't comment on it.
"Everyone I know only got Tiger cause it's pretty"
Then they know nothing.
"OS X is just Steve Job's pretty version of Unix"
I'm not gonna comment, cause i don't wanna sound stupid and concieted.
"Windows is better, cause there's more software"
Yeah, but a good hunk of that software doesn't work.
"You're only getting an iBook cause it's pretty."
That, and it works, and I know Macs just as well as Windows. O, the joys of going to an all-Mac school. Plus, security is factored is as well. You know there's a problem when i can get a new playlist in iTunes consisting of Joshe's Limewire Hits, when i haven't added any new playlists.
"iPod's suck cause you gotta use iTunes, which also sucks."
My older cousin said this, after i told him my iPod wouldn't work at his house when it wasn't working because the version was like 4.0. He said that they never used it, cause it sucked, so they never updated it. All I wanna know is why his mother got an iPod, when so obviously the software doesn't work.
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You get the point.
"Macs and their software look good, but try using it. It sucks."
To each his own. I find both quite useful, easy to use, and pretty.
"Macs are good for creative stuff, like music and stuff, but I can't stand using (insert non creative program) on a mac."
Apparantly Word for Mac sucks, according to the guy who said this. I've only ever tried it on OS 8.6, so i can't comment, only that ClarisWorks 4.0 works for my school, and i don't like Word for Mac either. Please no comments on how old this software is, we haven't updated a good hunk of our hardware in 10 years.
"You have to use Apple software, cause it costs too much to buy other stuff"
Most of Apple's stuff is good enough for me, so I can't comment on it.
"Everyone I know only got Tiger cause it's pretty"
Then they know nothing.
"OS X is just Steve Job's pretty version of Unix"
I'm not gonna comment, cause i don't wanna sound stupid and concieted.
"Windows is better, cause there's more software"
Yeah, but a good hunk of that software doesn't work.
"You're only getting an iBook cause it's pretty."
That, and it works, and I know Macs just as well as Windows. O, the joys of going to an all-Mac school. Plus, security is factored is as well. You know there's a problem when i can get a new playlist in iTunes consisting of Joshe's Limewire Hits, when i haven't added any new playlists.
"iPod's suck cause you gotta use iTunes, which also sucks."
My older cousin said this, after i told him my iPod wouldn't work at his house when it wasn't working because the version was like 4.0. He said that they never used it, cause it sucked, so they never updated it. All I wanna know is why his mother got an iPod, when so obviously the software doesn't work.
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You get the point.
I thought I'd add some comments to this - I hope you don't mind.
Sure, there are better sounding mp3 players with more features, but the iPods look good, sound okay and the software does work (even if it is a bit bloated). My 60gb ipod photo is set to last me a long time.
I must admit, having used nothing but an iBook running Tiger for the last few months, that Mac software can be quite tedious. It sometimes takes longer to do stuff compared with Windows. A pet annoyance is when I have multiple windows open in a program (eg, Entourage, with email drafts and the main interface open, or Photoshop Elements with multiple images open), I can't easily switch between them. I have to press F9, then try to find the window I want to view (the text is usually too small to read so guesswork is often involved) and then click on it. This isn't an issue with XP, as all the windows that are open are shown on the taskbar at the bottom of the screen and you simply click on the one you want - or you can Alt-TAB (Command-TAB on Tiger only switches between apps, not windows). It's a minor nit-pick really but it does annoy me! Another thing, and I know it's often mentioned, is the inability to maximise windows to full screen. This means manually dragging corners to be able to view a website properly, or an image (in Photoshop). It's just these little time consuming things that make the apps more difficult to use. Some programs such as iTunes run superbly though, due to the fact that it only has one window - therefore no annoying window switching or resizing.d_and_n5000 said:
Okay, well Word 2004 for Mac isn't as easy to use as the Windows version, but it's certainly not bad software.d_and_n5000 said:
That is true that Apple software does cost considerably more than Windows equivalents (take a look at game prices for a really easy example), which I suppose does mean more people have to use Apple's own software. I guess that it costs more to develop Mac software because of the smaller market - and it's also a market lacking in competition so they can charge what they want. But the iLife apps are probably sufficient for most basic users. I can't stand Mail (it's so dumbed down I find it annoying to use!), so I use Entourage instead, which seems to work well enough.d_and_n5000 said:
One of the benefits of Windows is certainly the software range, but so much of it is so terrible that you can often find yourself wading through download after download to find something decent. This is where forums and word of mouth is the best way of knowing what is worth installing. And that is quite effective!d_and_n5000 said:
I love my iBook - it's the best value for money for a sub-14" notebook. Period. (Which is why I bought one). It's not fast (my wife said it was struggling to play tetris today!), but it's adequate for typing emails and browsing the Internet. And its wireless reception is OUTSTANDING!d_and_n5000 said:
Do us all a favour and slap your cousin over the headd_and_n5000 said:
Sure, there are better sounding mp3 players with more features, but the iPods look good, sound okay and the software does work (even if it is a bit bloated). My 60gb ipod photo is set to last me a long time.Command squiggly-thing-next-to-shiftPCMacUser said:
hope that helpsIt's actually the other way around in most cases. The reason for this is that there's 20 times the market share, but 50 times the developers. You're all shouting to be heard, and thus most developers go bankrupt before their first alpha. Even if you do survive to put a product out, it's most likely not going to sell.
Also, about the thing about everyone using Apple's software, it's the same in the PC market. To the majority of people, they don't even know alternatives to IE, Office and WMP exist, let alone use them.
Squiggly Thing? A "Z"?
How on earth did you make sense of that? Command + Squiggly-thing-next-to-Shift? Isn't that Command + Z? Which does other things. Do you all have different keyboards that have something else next to Shift?
I'm confuzzled now!
PCMacUser said:Thank you! That's a big help!
How on earth did you make sense of that? Command + Squiggly-thing-next-to-Shift? Isn't that Command + Z? Which does other things. Do you all have different keyboards that have something else next to Shift?
I'm confuzzled now!
jsalzer said:How on earth did you make sense of that? Command + Squiggly-thing-next-to-Shift? Isn't that Command + Z? Which does other things. Do you all have different keyboards that have something else next to Shift?
I'm confuzzled now!
They're talking about command-` (command-tick) which on an American keyboard is above the tab key and to the left of the 1 key. Shift-` is a tilde (~) which is the squiggly thing they're talking about. The shortcut is actually cmd-` though, not cmd-~ (which would be cmd-shift-`). I think on some European keyboards, ` is near the shift key.
Tilda. Its actually called tilda (~).greatdevourer said:Command squiggly-thing-next-to-shift
This says quite a lot - a review of the 17" iMac G5 posted on amazon.co.uk
"I recently bought one of these macs, seeing as i use a G5 at work and have a PC at home. Unfortunatly, the macintosh systems are very poor.
The GUI may look pretty, but it hides a sloppy slow boring machine. Boring because its got limits. A PC has no limitations as to what software you can download, gaming etc. The mac has nothing, it was nothing but a overpriced fancy peice. For less than half the price i could have got a better looking PC and had double the fun. In fact, i returned my apple mac and did get a PC.
Heres a lesson, if you want to be a poser, get a mac, if you want to actually use a machine and have fun with it, get a PC.
The Imac G5 was so slow and boring, i would not reccomend it."
Sadly - it's the only review so non mac users might think it's true. Any iMac G5 owners out there fancy posting a sensible one?
"I recently bought one of these macs, seeing as i use a G5 at work and have a PC at home. Unfortunatly, the macintosh systems are very poor.
The GUI may look pretty, but it hides a sloppy slow boring machine. Boring because its got limits. A PC has no limitations as to what software you can download, gaming etc. The mac has nothing, it was nothing but a overpriced fancy peice. For less than half the price i could have got a better looking PC and had double the fun. In fact, i returned my apple mac and did get a PC.
Heres a lesson, if you want to be a poser, get a mac, if you want to actually use a machine and have fun with it, get a PC.
The Imac G5 was so slow and boring, i would not reccomend it."
Sadly - it's the only review so non mac users might think it's true. Any iMac G5 owners out there fancy posting a sensible one?
