Mac Hater Arguments

[jsalzer]

Foiled Again

Regardless, this doesn't really bother me, because I'm not gay.

Hold it, hold it, hold it. You mean there are practicing breeders out there who are using Macs? That's not how the switch campaign was supposed to work.

There go our plans for world domination!

It was a key part of the plan.

A) Get breeders to fall in love with the Mac and switch teams so they can get one.

B) Use a superior computer. Be more productive. Take over all major corporations. Buy all seats in the Congress.

Now we'll have to go back to the long-term plan of using the Teletubbies. Darn.

 

[Plymouthbreezer]

Hold it, hold it, hold it. You mean there are practicing breeders out there who are using Macs? That's not how the switch campaign was supposed to work.

There go our plans for world domination!

It was a key part of the plan.

A) Get breeders to fall in love with the Mac and switch teams so they can get one.

B) Use a superior computer. Be more productive. Take over all major corporations. Buy all seats in the Congress.

Now we'll have to go back to the long-term plan of using the Teletubbies. Darn.

Eh? I assume you were kidding...?

 

[Mav451]

Yeah, I get it from the kids at my High School. I'm 15 (Freshmen).

And think that sums up your perspective perfectly. When you are more mature and have legitimate experience with both, then come back and talk.

 

[Plymouthbreezer]

And think that sums up your perspective perfectly. When you are more mature and have legitimate experience with both, then come back and talk.

With both what?

I find it comical that because you now know I'm "only 15," you feel you can easily find faults in my views. My age doesn't make my opinion any less valid then yours.

If it's any consolation, I'm a straight A student, National Honor Society member, serve on student council, class secretary, Senior Patrol Leader of my Boy Scout Troop, Student Liaison to my city's school committee, four time technology fairs first place winner, nationally honored youth artist, admin of my own website (no, it's not about videogames, sex and drugs as you would assume, I mean after all, that what most 15 year olds do all day ) and moderator of another Mac forum. How foolish of you to use ones age to underestimate ones “maturity.”

 

[Mav451]

With both what?

I find it comical that because you now know I'm "only 15," you feel you can easily find faults in my views. My age doesn't make my opinion any less valid then yours.

If it's any consolation, I'm a straight A student, National Honor Society member, serve on student council, class secretary, Senior Patrol Leader of my Boy Scout Troop, Student Liaison to my city's school committee, four time technology fairs first place winner, nationally honored youth artist, admin of my own website (no, it's not about videogames, sex and drugs as you would assume, I mean after all, that what most 15 year olds do all day ) and moderator of another Mac forum. How foolish of you to use ones age to underestimate ones “maturity.”

All of that has no bearing on your knowledge of PCs or Macs. Your diction/language/tone from your prior posts reveals your immaturity.
If you talked more like you just did in your most recent post, I would actually listen.

Let me ask you, why do you post here? Obviously you don't come to a Mac forum and attack users (like you did me) who enthusiastically support their products on our "home turf."

See? That's the post of a fanboy. On the otherhand, your most recent post at least shows that you have a brain. If you most of your posts look like that, then it lends a ton more credibility to your posts. There is a difference to attacking PC users and attacking the system itself. And then there is a difference in supporting your allegations.

 

[jsalzer]

Conspiracy Theorists

Eh? I assume you were kidding...?

Yup - no worldwide conspiracy - just poking a little fun at implications that there is. Though it's a nice thought that Steve would help in the conspiracy. Um, I mean, alleged conspiracy.

Not sure what's up with Mav - I'd put it out of your mind until he comes back and explains what he meant.

You're quite well-spoken for a 15-year-old in the U.S. Are you sure you went through our education system?

(Edit - sorry, Mav, we criss-crossed.)

 

[Plymouthbreezer]

All of that has no bearing on your knowledge of PCs or Macs. Your diction/language/tone from your prior posts reveals your immaturity.
If you talked more like you just did in your most recent post, I would actually listen.


See? That's the post of a fanboy. On the otherhand, your most recent post at least shows that you have a brain. If you most of your posts look like that, then it lends a ton more credibility to your posts. There is a difference to attacking PC users and attacking the system itself. And then there is a difference in supporting your allegations.

My last post was in response to this thread's topic, not directed towards you (let me remind you that you replied to MY post).

Once again, you're still taking advantage of my age, as you condescending tone regarding my ONE post you read is very apparent. I love how you so effectively used “RDF” in this last post, and it's mind-blowing how you claim I attacked you when you posted this:

You know what most people (well outside of your one-sided RDF) call that statement?

FUD

And this:

And think that sums up your perspective perfectly. When you are more mature and have legitimate experience with both, then come back and talk.

If you weren’t so quick to make allegations towards me (based on my age... Your claim that my “diction/language/tone” from my prior posts "revealed my immaturity” is pure BS), then maybe I would actually have listened.

 

[Plymouthbreezer]

Yup - no worldwide conspiracy - just poking a little fun at implications that there is. Though it's a nice thought that Steve would help in the conspiracy. Um, I mean, alleged conspiracy.

Not sure what's up with Mav - I'd put it out of your mind until he comes back and explains what he meant.

You're quite well-spoken for a 15-year-old in the U.S. Are you sure you went through our education system?

(Edit - sorry, Mav, we criss-crossed.)

Ah. I'm sure Steve might aid in such a conspiracy...

Many thanks. I have gone through "our" education system (amazingly, I go to a public school!). I've taken many advanced writing/public speaking classes in the past few years that have all improved my eloquence (so my teachers say...) to a level where I can have intellectual conversations with most adults and leave them saying "My god, you're only 15?!" I also enjoy reading very much. They are correct when they say "read, read, read!"

 

[Mav451]

My last post was in response to this thread's topic, not directed towards you (let me remind you that you replied to MY post).

Once again, you're still taking advantage of my age, as you condescending tone regarding my ONE post you read is very apparent. I love how you so effectively used “RDF” in this last post, and it's mind-blowing how you claim I attacked you when you posted this:


And this:


If you weren’t so quick to make allegations towards me (based on my age... Your claim that my “diction/language/tone” from my prior posts "revealed my immaturity” is pure BS), then maybe I would actually have listened.

Look, I once was 15, and I once was a fanboy too. When you get older (i.e. 20-23) in college, you start to notice things. These things could mean meeting new people, new beliefs, cultures, etc.

I'm just saying that one should not be so firm in their beliefs that you dismiss ANYTHING that says something negatively against your view.

 

[Horrortaxi]

See? That's the post of a fanboy.

Wow, a fanboy on a website dedicated to rumors, gossip, and the minuita of Apple Computers. Should we alert the authorities? Who would read this site BUT a fanboy and why would YOU with 1400+ posts not have realized that already?

Mav, you should really leave the kid alone. You're telling him his opinion doesn't matter because he's 15. He needs to live a little before opening his mouth. That's just silly. What's going to stop me from telling you the same thing? I was a college know-it-all once too and my advice is to take it easy on that attitude. And I'm right, aren't I? You know...because I'm older than you are.

 

[Mechcozmo]

If you buy a Mac you'll marry a girl with no rack (yea- strange people out there)

I do believe that can be summed up with a good old "What the hell?" statement. It doesn't even bother trying to connect to computers or anything. Oh well...

To add to the thread's topic:
"You can't build your own Mac."
(the argument against it may be a bit too complicated for the average Windows tolerator).

You can upgrade a Mac but you can't really go out and build a brand-new one like you can a PC. But Macs are amazingly easy to upgrade and work on. Any G4 PowerMac is opened with a flip up of that switch thingy and then RAM gets pressed in, etc. Far easier than working on a PC but then again, the PC is brand-new. This G4 isn't.

I have to reject that statement because the implication is if Christians and Windows users are sheep, that would mean Bill Gates is Jesus.

Please don't scare me.... although it is interesting to wonder if Steve Jobs is, in fact, the Maccies savior? (Maccies, pronounced "Mac-ees" is a word that a friend of mine uses to describe people who use Macs. I actually like it...)

Wow Adolf.. that wasn't unbiased, judgemental, or completely rude. Thats like saying all linux users are Muslim, unix users are Hindu, and OSX users are rich Jews.....

Alright, ignoring the amazing amount of stupidity and racism that this comment gives out... next time, think before you start involving religion and mass murders.

"MSN sucks on the mac and thats all i use my computer for"

they had a 3.4GHz EE dell with a radeon 9800 pro and akll they used it for is msn and solitare

Read my signature, people!

See? That's the post of a fanboy.

I am a huge fan of the Mac. I impress them onto a number of people. And I am usually quite a bit younger than them. I'd suggest letting people mature for a few years and just take what they say if they are young a bit cautiously.

 

[dotdotdot]

I heard a few new ones from new iPod owners:

"I never used a Mac and everything I dont use sucks"
"Didn't Microsoft make the iPod" (I heard this and thought of Bruce Springsteen... )
"Windows works"

 

[DaveP]

You have to pay $2000 bucks to get a PCI slot.

 

[tech4all]

"I never used a Mac and everything I dont use sucks"

Hilarious, yet sad It actually made me laugh aloud.

"Windows works"

Isn't it "Microsoft Works" as in the application software? But yours works fine to

 

[Mord]

mav451, he has a point most people are not as sensible as you or I when it comes to looking after an XP box, they download pr0n and open attachments and sometimes outright refuse to use firefox, for the masses they do get spyware and viruses and it's a large problem.

i too have a pc running XP and have yet to have a virus, but my school's system admin has to deal with 3 viruses that get past all the security at my school, and the pc's bluescreen because of faulty hardware, however the techs were smart enough to return them to RM and have the ram replaced, most school/college techs dont know jack about macs so if there is a hardware problem they blame it on the instability of the software most places buy macs and don't hire the staff just leave it to the pc techs, so they fall into disrepair not knowing that macs will never crash unless there is a hardware problem or the OS is seriously messed up which is usually hardware inflicted (dodgy HD ect).

my ibook has never crashed unless i was overclocking it, ever. then again neither has my pc. again unless overclocking it.

and Plymouthbreezer no one likes a fanboy, try to be more even and fair, when people slag off macs on a pc/gameing forum i tend to try and set them straight pointing out clear provable fallacies in there opinions, if the same situation was revced you being on a pc forum and you stumbled on a "pc hater aguements" with posts like "i love my mac better because it matches with my shoes" or "the mac os is pretty so it must be better" it'd piss you off no doubt about it.

what you need to do is be tech support for a few people useing both macs and pc's and you find what it's like for the average person, we are geeks most people are not.

 

[Plymouthbreezer]

mav451, he has a point most people are not as sensible as you or I when it comes to looking after an XP box, they download pr0n and open attachments and sometimes outright refuse to use firefox, for the masses they do get spyware and viruses and it's a large problem.

i too have a pc running XP and have yet to have a virus, but my school's system admin has to deal with 3 viruses that get past all the security at my school, and the pc's bluescreen because of faulty hardware, however the techs were smart enough to return them to RM and have the ram replaced, most school/college techs dont know jack about macs so if there is a hardware problem they blame it on the instability of the software most places buy macs and don't hire the staff just leave it to the pc techs, so they fall into disrepair not knowing that macs will never crash unless there is a hardware problem or the OS is seriously messed up which is usually hardware inflicted (dodgy HD ect).

my ibook has never crashed unless i was overclocking it, ever. then again neither has my pc. again unless overclocking it.

and Plymouthbreezer no one likes a fanboy, try to be more even and fair, when people slag off macs on a pc/gameing forum i tend to try and set them straight pointing out clear provable fallacies in there opinions, if the same situation was revced you being on a pc forum and you stumbled on a "pc hater aguements" with posts like "i love my mac better because it matches with my shoes" or "the mac os is pretty so it must be better" it'd piss you off no doubt about it.

what you need to do is be tech support for a few people useing both macs and pc's and you find what it's like for the average person, we are geeks most people are not.

Guys, I appreciate the support, why do you still fell I'm a "Fan Boy??" I have used Windows over the years, and even was a fan of Windows 98 and the early versions... My personal experiences with Windows XP have been negative, and I know so many people who have also had a negative experience with that OS. If some have good luck with it, all the better! I love Fedora Red Hat and a few years ago owned a Sony Desktop, which I liked very much... Please, please do not label me a fan boy and "just another 15 year old with false, biased views," because it's very foolish considering you don't know any facts about me. Many thanks to Horrortaxi for supporting me in the face of a blind attacker who answers with typical non answers.

With that, this post isn't on topic, so, I'm done discussing my "maturity" with a user who clearly lacks some them self.

 

[Timelessblur]

You have to pay $2000 bucks to get a PCI slot.

well it is a very vaild argument. Well it used to be now you have to by 1500 to get a PCI slot and an upgradeble APG slot compared to a PC where for under 1 grand you can get a pretty good computer with OS that has PCI slot, APG (maybe even PCI-e) and a monitor.

Guys, I appreciate the support, why do you still fell I'm a "Fan Boy??" I have used Windows over the years, and even was a fan of Windows 98 and the early versions... My personal experiences with Windows XP have been negative, and I know so many people who have also had a negative experience with that OS. If some have good luck with it, all the better! I love Fedora Red Hat and a few years ago owned a Sony Desktop, which I liked very much... Please, please do not label me a fan boy and "just another 15 year old with false, biased views," because it's very foolish considering you don't know any facts about me. Many thanks to Horrortaxi for supporting me in the face of a blind attacker who answers with typical non answers.

At the same time I know a quite a few windows users who have had only negitive expernce on a mac. I for the most part have had a very good experice with XP.

 

[Horrortaxi]

what you need to do is be tech support for a few people useing both macs and pc's and you find what it's like for the average person, we are geeks most people are not.

Right. He needs to do that so that he can find out what he already knows.

In all my years on Windows I didn't have the epidemic virus and security problems. But there's the Geek Factor you talked about. I knew how to keep that stuff under control. As you pointed out, most people don't have the Geek Factor working for them. Most people can't do their own tech support. Most people are not security experts. Most people just want to turn on their computer and use it without worrying about anything. Unfortunately most people use Windows.

Here's a non-geek story. My mom used to use Windows--a straight out of the box installation. She liked using the internet and scanning pictures. Then her Win 98 got hopelessly buggered up. I reinstalled the OS and put some antivirus/security software on the computer. She was then getting pissed off because the antivirus was always bugging her because it was always finding viruses in her email. She desperately wanted me to turn off the antivirus. I said "are you crazy, that's antivirus! Your computer is going to go back to the way it was if I turn that off." I left it on, and she used the computer less becuase she didn't want to be harassed all the time.

After that I got her a used iMac. She started to use the computer more and do more things with it. I stopped having to troubleshoot "this week's computer problem" every time I went to her house. She's <i>figuring out herself</i> how to do things and fix things now. She's 76 years old and for her birthday I just got her a Mac Mini, which she loves. She has zero geek factor and I have to do virtually zero tech support on her computer.

That's not the extent of my tech support experience. Windows always takes more time to maintain and fix and it breaks far more often. My new mantra is "I don't do Windows". So in my classroom when a kid messes up a PC I don't fix it. I ask for a Mac replacement and since every school has a stack of old Macs sitting around somewhere I always get one. Then I set up the Mac and do very little suport on it--even in OS 9. No frustrated kids without a computer, no pissed off teacher doing tech support, no more problems.

 

[Mav451]

Guys, I appreciate the support, why do you still fell I'm a "Fan Boy??" I have used Windows over the years, and even was a fan of Windows 98 and the early versions... My personal experiences with Windows XP have been negative, and I know so many people who have also had a negative experience with that OS. If some have good luck with it, all the better! I love Fedora Red Hat and a few years ago owned a Sony Desktop, which I liked very much... Please, please do not label me a fan boy and "just another 15 year old with false, biased views," because it's very foolish considering you don't know any facts about me. Many thanks to Horrortaxi for supporting me in the face of a blind attacker who answers with typical non answers.

With that, this post isn't on topic, so, I'm done discussing my "maturity" with a user who clearly lacks some them self.

Plymouthbreezer: I guess to make a point, my Mac experience, like my XP experience, has been great overall. Now, I have had more kernel panics than BSODs (cumulative of working in the university G5 lab and on my iBook) than my XP box and 98SE box ever had.

Does it make the Mac bad? Heck no. My iBook was a GIFT (a drawing actually) at my university book store. It was literally like God wanted me to use a Mac. Yeah, all I do is 'Net surf and watch movies on it, but that's essentially what I do on my PC as well (+ gaming of course).

I guess, if I were to be a mature adult I would apologize, and right now I am doing that. Plymouthbreezer, I made a horrible judgement call--essentially an emotional "jump to conclusion". I am sorry.

 

[Plymouthbreezer]

Plymouthbreezer: I guess to make a point, my Mac experience, like my XP experience, has been great overall. Now, I have had more kernel panics than BSODs (cumulative of working in the university G5 lab and on my iBook) than my XP box and 98SE box ever had.

Does it make the Mac bad? Heck no. My iBook was a GIFT (a drawing actually) at my university book store. It was literally like God wanted me to use a Mac. Yeah, all I do is 'Net surf and watch movies on it, but that's essentially what I do on my PC as well (+ gaming of course).

I guess, if I were to be a mature adult I would apologize, and right now I am doing that. Plymouthbreezer, I made a horrible judgement call--essentially an emotional "jump to conclusion". I am sorry.

Thank you so much.

With that cleared up, shall we continue the rational, mature debate?

 

[36183]

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[Horrortaxi]

look at this jerk on this site - http://notebookforums.com/showthread.php?t=73414

i gave him his reply.

Exactly the kinds of jerkoffs I try to avoid. Just use your Mac and be happy. You don't need to convince anyone of anything.

 

[Timelessblur]

look at this jerk on this site - http://notebookforums.com/showthread.php?t=73414

i gave him his reply.

Well you just shown a text book example of why people hate the zeolots and the mac commintty looks like a cult and they want to stay out of it. Btw so the arguments you are using so hard to fight with are either weak or wrong.

 

[ezekielrage_99]

Read my signature, people!

Got to love the signiture.....how true....


One Dell XPS 600 - $2,694

Delivery - $99

A machine plagued by viruses, spyware, crashes, and an XP favourite "Illegal Function Calls", but you can still play Solitare.... Priceless


The sad thing is the ABSOLUTE only thing I miss about XP is that annoying time filler Solitare

 

[Josh]

Yesterday, while I recommended Firefox to a Windows user who was having problems, somone said the three most absurd things I've ever heard said all at once:

1) Use IE. It's the best browser there is.

2) IE is the standard for which websites are built. It defines the standards.

3) Only fools use macs.


Honestly...a keyboard and mouse should not be used so freely by some people. *bangs head on wall*