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Mac Market Share Surges to 5% in UK

lol @ the people getting upset at 5% being referred to as a "surge".

Do a little math, people. That's a 25% increase in market share. That's not a surge? Certainly is in my book, especially in business. Swings like that are not common. Most companies would be absolutely ecstatic to see their market share increase by 25%.
 
AidenShaw said:
Do you have any basis on which to assume that "simple" split?

If not, the only answer is "we don't know".
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Frankly, you could be a little less lazy. Here, ************************** (too bad Mac rumors blocks ******, it's a fun site):

http://www.google.ca/#hl=en&safe=of...rs&meta=&aq=f&oq=Apple+Q3+2009+by+the+numbers

And in case that's too much work for you, here's the breakdown :

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Computers hardware is 44% of their business, software is 6%. The other half is split between music, gadgets and the iPhone. Computers are still very much Apple's core business.
 
trose said:
lol @ the people getting upset at 5% being referred to as a "surge".

Do a little math, people. That's a 25% increase in market share. That's not a surge? Certainly is in my book, especially in business. Swings like that are not common. Most companies would be absolutely ecstatic to see their market share increase by 25%.
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Its only because their share is so low that an extra 1.2% seems large.
 
Windows 7 surges more than 100% in two weeks

trose said:
lol @ the people getting upset at 5% being referred to as a "surge".

Do a little math, people. That's a 25% increase in market share. That's not a surge? Certainly is in my book, especially in business. Swings like that are not common. Most companies would be absolutely ecstatic to see their market share increase by 25%.
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In the "lies, damned lies, and statistics" category, we can look at Windows 7 net market share....

More than doubled in two weeks - is now bigger than Apple OSX 10.5 and Apple OSX 10.6 combined (but if you add 10.4 and older versions Apple OSX is bigger than Windows 7).

Does it mean anything? No, just like most of the statistics quoted here.... ;)

http://marketshare.hitslink.com/rep...qpcustom=Windows+7&qpsp=3911&qpnp=56&sample=8
 

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Bubba Satori said:
It would be a lot higher than that if Apple offered some affordable laptops and desktops.
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In an article I read, that doesn't jibe with Apple's strategy. They seem to be going for higher profit per item than profits through volume.

OllyW said:
Not so. Acer have just announced record third quarter results.
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Good for them. However, they achieve this by selling a lot of computers. Profit through volume sold. This is the model that Dell followed. From the chart, they're not doing so well.
 
eastercat said:
In an article I read, that doesn't jibe with Apple's strategy.
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On these Internet tubes, you get a lot more credibility if you post a link to the "article you read".

Otherwise, people might not pay much attention to your claims. "I read somewhere that" isn't credible.
 
AidenShaw said:
So....

Desktops. Down 18%
Portables. Down 2%
Peripherals: (?) Down 22%

This doesn't look like a good sign for Apple Computer Inc ;)
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In a recession. iPods are also down. iPhone is up by such a big margin, you have to realise this is because of new carriers coming on-board for the 3GS.

Only Music is hard to explain in this economy.
 
NokX said:
surge? hasn't the mac been at 4% for the last 10 years? 15%, sure...but up 1%?
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THANK YOU! *bows down to you*

I can't believe how many gullible fanboys here are gobbling up what MacRumors is spoon-feeding you. :eek: Pure spin. As proud as you guys are of your product, you're still a small fish in a big pond. The REAL news is Acer's 3Q market surge from 08 to 09.

Acer is wiping the floors w/ everyone, including Apple. Probably because of the NETBOOK (hint, hint, Steve Jobs). That said, Acer still SUX!
 
iBookG4user said:
This is good news, hopefully it will push Apple to produce even better products to increase their market share even more :)
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But they don't really need more than about double what they have now. Note from the "Other" category including every white-box, no-name computer maker is BIGGER than the biggest branded computer company. Apple at #5 with it's own OS, it's own third party software, and it's own stores is a magnificent achievement.

We're back to the Junior Achievement "pen" game they play in high school economics. The kids that "win" make PROFITABLE companies that are smaller than the other teams. The "mass market" approach burns out because your company never "makes it up on volume"... as we're seeing with netbooks customers don't let the price go back up without some kind of monopoly action in place. So Apple is right where they need to be at to maintain their high margins. Go much higher and you sacrifice margin or quality to sell more stuff and still make about the same amount of money... why do more work than you need to? Because "profit returned per dollar invested" is the measure of being a great businessman.
 
weckart said:
Quite a few of the PCWorlds I have visited secure their laptops with kensington locks. Since the Macbooks are thinner than average, the lock lifts them off the tables. With the thin aluminium frame on the left side, virtually every Macbook I have seen has a huge crease around the lock caused by buckling due to the soft metal sagging whenever anyone places his palms on the palmrest to start typing. Apple should have spaced out those ports instead of cramming them all along one side and right next to each other.

It does not make a good impression and I am sure this will be costing PCW Apple sales.
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The vast majority of people who visit PCW aren't Apple customers anyway, they're bargain basement. But agreed, PCW aren't helping their sales like this.
 
I think the increase in the UK is due to Apple opening more stores on the high street there.

Apple opened a store in Belfast in Sept 2008, I switched all my computers to Mac's in January 2009 once I had seen the computers demonstrated in store. It also nice to know that there is a physical place to go if I am stuck, or need a repair or want to buy more things.

I remember when Apple started opening stores in 2001 I thought it was hilarious, just as everyone else was moving to online stores here they were opening shops in the high streets and shopping centers. But they knew exactly what they were doing!
 
Prom1 said:
Also factor in the largest sales of ANY handset in 1 day - the iPhone on Orange UK; I'll bet this will be shattered by Vodafone UK's launch. Add both of these statistics ... and users perception of quality software and just simplicity along with accessories, put a store in countries like France, Italy, Germany etc and you'll see worldwide market sales explode.
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There are already stores in those countries...no market sales explosion yet.

ggt said:
This is great news but we need more Apple Stores in the UK, there are hardly any in the north of England. The majority of them are built in or around London.

York would be great, and why Leeds doesn't have a store is beyond me!
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There are plenty of Apple stores in the north west.

RazHyena said:
Acer is number 1? REALLY?!? :eek:

I was gonna guess HP or Vaio.
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In the UK at least, Acer is ridiculously cheap. You can get a laptop with twice as good a spec for at least £200-300 less than any other brand, especially if you buy online. Tesco and Play.com (amongst others) had stocks of a ridiculously good Acer laptop, and they sold out within a couple of weeks. Think it was something like a 500GB hard drive, 4GB RAM, 2.6Ghz processor for around £400.
 
KnightWRX said:
In a recession. iPods are also down. iPhone is up by such a big margin, you have to realise this is because of new carriers coming on-board for the 3GS.

Only Music is hard to explain in this economy.
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According to Gartners data, the PC market in Germany is actually
_growing_. Sales increased from 3.223 mio units in Q3/2008 to 3.341 mio in Q3/2009, this is a plus of 3.7%.

But Apple is not able to participate in that success. They are not in the top 5 (Acer, HP, Fucitsu / Siemens, Asus and Dell).

There are two Apple stores in Germany now (Munich and Hamburg), but computers at schools are nearly always Windows (and sometimes Linux) based. Most people think Apple is too expensive, since netbooks (and sometimes even 15'' notebooks) under 300€ are widely available or they do not even know that there is something else than Windows.

Christian
 
christian_k said:
According to Gartners data, the PC market in Germany is actually
_growing_. Sales increased from 3.223 mio units in Q3/2008 to 3.341 mio in Q3/2009, this is a plus of 3.7%.

But Apple is not able to participate in that success. They are not in the top 5 (Acer, HP, Fucitsu / Siemens, Asus and Dell).

There are two Apple stores in Germany now (Munich and Hamburg), but computers at schools are nearly always Windows (and sometimes Linux) based. Most people think Apple is too expensive, since netbooks (and sometimes even 15'' notebooks) under 300€ are widely available ot they do not even know that ehere is something else than Windows.

Christian
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That's basically the situation everywhere except the US and UK. Even in the UK, they have 5%. That means 95% people don't buy Macs. In Spain, France, etc., I seriously doubt that the percentage is over 1-2%. They are basically out of the market. And all that just considering that they have no competitors. The problem with DELL or Acer or whatever is not that they are very cheap and chose quantity over quality: they had no option. They are competing with other brands offering the same product, so either they cut prices or they're out. The reason Apple still survives is because they offer a different product to PCs. If they had a competitor with the same OS offering similar hardware, theywould have to reduce prices and enter the war. Even with that, their presence in the computer market is just testimonial (well below 5% in the whole world, which doesn't end at the US border).
 
christian_k said:
According to Gartners data, the PC market in Germany is actually
_growing_. Sales increased from 3.223 mio units in Q3/2008 to 3.341 mio in Q3/2009, this is a plus of 3.7%.

But Apple is not able to participate in that success. They are not in the top 5 (Acer, HP, Fucitsu / Siemens, Asus and Dell).

There are two Apple stores in Germany now (Munich and Hamburg), but computers at schools are nearly always Windows (and sometimes Linux) based. Most people think Apple is too expensive, since netbooks (and sometimes even 15'' notebooks) under 300€ are widely available ot they do not even know that ehere is something else than Windows.

Christian
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Actually, you don't have any idea how successful or unsuccessful Apple is in Germany, because you don't have the numbers. Apple has 5% in the UK. In Germany, Dell is #5 with 6.9%. So what you know is that Apple has less than 6.9%. For all we know, they could be growing rapidly in Germany and have 6.8% of unit sales or at least more than in the UK.

Macmel said:
The reason Apple still survives is because they offer a different product to PCs.
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Yes, Apple is barely surviving. So how much profit does Apple make, and how much Acer?
 
gnasher729 said:
Actually, you don't have any idea how successful or unsuccessful Apple is in Germany, because you don't have the numbers. Apple has 5% in the UK. In Germany, Dell is #5 with 6.9%. So what you know is that Apple has less than 6.9%. For all we know, they could be growing rapidly in Germany and have 6.8% of unit sales or at least more than in the UK.
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We probably won't even know how Apple are doing in the UK in the next quarter. Samsung are biting at Apple's heels at 4.8% with over 200% growth in the last quarter and will probably take the No.5 position next time around.
 
i am seeing more macs on campus, and even saw a proper apple booth with a campus representative at the fresher's fair this year. i also saw a professor yesterday walking with his macbook air. i can assume that at least some of the UK growth is coming from universities.
 
star-fish said:
There are already stores in those countries...no market sales explosion yet.



There are plenty of Apple stores in the north west.



In the UK at least, Acer is ridiculously cheap. You can get a laptop with twice as good a spec for at least £200-300 less than any other brand, especially if you buy online. Tesco and Play.com (amongst others) had stocks of a ridiculously good Acer laptop, and they sold out within a couple of weeks. Think it was something like a 500GB hard drive, 4GB RAM, 2.6Ghz processor for around £400.
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Too bad every Acer laptop I've used has had a case of the gremlins.
 
OllyW said:
We probably won't even know how Apple are doing in the UK in the next quarter. Samsung are biting at Apple's heels at 4.8% with over 200% growth in the last quarter and will probably take the No.5 position next time around.
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Samsung isn't biting at Apple's heels. They are not racing each other. Samsung tries to get sales off Acer, Dell, HP, Toshiba, not off Apple. Let's just assume that in the next quarter Samsung has 5.6% and Apple has 5.5%, gaining 10% market share but dropping out of the top 5. So in your view, Apple would be worse off than today. In my view, Apple would be ten percent better off.

And many of these large unit sales numbers are netbooks selling for less than £300. Guess what, Apple sells on awful lot of devices running OS X for around £300. They are just not called computers, they are called iPhone and iPod Touch.
 
gnasher729 said:
Actually, you don't have any idea how successful or unsuccessful Apple is in Germany, because you don't have the numbers. Apple has 5% in the UK. In Germany, Dell is #5 with 6.9%. So what you know is that Apple has less than 6.9%. For all we know, they could be growing rapidly in Germany and have 6.8% of unit sales or at least more than in the UK.?
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Even if they had 6.8 % in Germany (I really doubt it) this wouldl much less than in the US.

Website usage statistics (which approximate installed base, not sales) from Germany have been more like 3% for the last years and there are no signs of a significant change any time soon.

Christian
 
gnasher729 said:
Samsung isn't biting at Apple's heels. They are not racing each other. Samsung tries to get sales off Acer, Dell, HP, Toshiba, not off Apple. Let's just assume that in the next quarter Samsung has 5.6% and Apple has 5.5%, gaining 10% market share but dropping out of the top 5. So in your view, Apple would be worse off than today. In my view, Apple would be ten percent better off.

And many of these large unit sales numbers are netbooks selling for less than £300. Guess what, Apple sells on awful lot of devices running OS X for around £300. They are just not called computers, they are called iPhone and iPod Touch.
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All I said was we probably won't know how Apple are doing next quarter because their place in the top 5 will probably be taken by Samsung.

I said absolutely nothing about Apple being worse off, there's no need to get your knickers in a twist. :rolleyes:
 
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