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true but that statement was a few weeks ago and now they announce another PC exclusive game ... guess what speak more ... actions or words

I agree, but also I think sales figures probably speak louder than "actions or words". With Crytek previously expressing great disappointment with about 1 million sales of "Crysis" worldwide, it'll be interesting to hear what tune they play a year or so after "Crysis Warhead" is released.

As one who supports Mac & Bootcamp/PC gaming, I hope "Crysis Warhead" sells well & beats "Crysis". But I have my doubts, unless of course it's enabled to run on more PCs than the original game did.
 
I finally gave up on Apple and a few weeks ago I build a hackintosh with the following:

Asus p5k-e mobo (6 USB2, 3 eSATA, 6 SATA, digital optical and coaxial out)
Core 2 Quad Q6600 @ 3.2 gHz/4 mb cache
4 gb 800 mHz RAM
MSI NVidia 8600GT/256 mb dual-link DVI card (will drive two 30" displays)
Two Samsung 750 gb 3 gbps SATA drives (one boot, one for Time Machine)
Samsung 20x DVD burner
Sonata 500 III mid-tower (nice and quiet - quieter than my Mini/Ministack II)
Copper cpu cooler
Retail copy of Leopard 10.5.2

All for about US$1,000. It's not as elegant as a Mac Pro, but beats the quad core with Geekbench and Xbench by about 15%. It does a two-pass Handbrake encode of a 2 hour movie with H.264/2500 bitrate/AAC and AC-3 5.1 DD in about 55 minutes. All four cores take about 320% of the cpu horsepower. On my Mini, that's a 4 hour transcode.

The only thing that doesn't work is firewire, unless I boot with the device (only one per boot) connected and on. But I have 3 eSATA ports, so I only need FW for my video camera (which I use rarely). I think the most surprising thing is how quiet it is. The Sonata enclosure with the copper cooler are barely noticeable.
When building a Hackintosh, are there certain components that are required to make it work? Can a person take a regular PC and use your technique to install OSX?
 
Two possibilities

What if apple went with one of two possibilities for mac mini? Actually, I thought it might be interesting if they did both.

Move the Rom drive off the mini. Decrease its cost further. There is currently an external one available for the Air. Add a high bandwidth dock like connection on it (preferably wireless).

Add a drive to the Apple TV. BlueRay/DVD/CdRom to be exact. Add a high bandwidth dock connection to it (and the usual wants, HDMI, etc)

Now you have a cheap processor, HD, and memory in a thinner form factor. If you want to upgrade it, you buy an Apple TV and add your drive and high end video capability. BTW, the high bandwidth connection would be ideal if it were wireless. Then I could have my thin mac mini, monitor, and keyboard in my office, and my Apple TV, well, in the family room next to the T.V.

I could do my computing in either place, and even play video games in front of my T.V. Sort of a distributed game console concept. My Time Machine could be on the main floor tying the mess together with 802.11n. I think I'd really like that design. I can't think of a single reason it couldn't work. The technology exists. When I wanted to upgrade my console, I could just put in a new thin mac mini. For those of you that say "but what about using a disc with the thin mini?" I can't think of a time in the last few years I put a disc in my computer for more than an install or rip, unless I was playing a game. Install takes just a few minutes, so this isn't an inconvenience, and if I'm playing a game, I'd be in front of my big screen anyway. So why not have the drive there, with the AppleTV?
 
Mind you it is NOT legal to download OS X and install it. And to buy OS X you will have to buy a Mac.

While the former is true, the latter is not. You can buy OS X 10.5.x for $129 at your local Apple store or online, no concurrent Macintosh purchase required (though the EULA says you cannot install the software on anything but a Mac).
 
"Mac Mini EOL'd" thread EOL'd?

Just because the Mac mini has nothing to do with WWDC doesn't mean this thread shouldn't continue to remain on the front page...
 
Just because the Mac mini has nothing to do with WWDC doesn't mean this thread shouldn't continue to remain on the front page...

I think the mini will recieve an update today, it might be a minor "quiet" update and not mentioned at WWDC though.

If it gets a stronger integrated video platform I'd be ready to buy one.
 
Just because the Mac mini has nothing to do with WWDC doesn't mean this thread shouldn't continue to remain on the front page...

Actually the Mac mini (or it's new replacement, if any) could have everything to do with WWDC. A lot of people will want to develop for the iPhone/iPod touch platform but doing so requires a Mac. If you are a programmer and are already using a Mac, good for you. If you are using Windows or Linux, however, you need a Mac.

The Mac mini is the perfect platform for these programmers:
- it's low-cost compared to the other Macs (it's half the price of a MacBook or iMac)
- it doesn't take any room (it can sit on top of your PC tower or you can install it under your desk with a <a href="http://www.cinnamon-peripherals.ca/">mount</a>).
 
What do you think about this ;-)

mac fusion

I think it would be nice, however these are photos of a display showing a web page. Aside from the "Mac fusion" picture (which was already circulating around the net), anyone with a text file editor could make such a page. ;)

I do like the "Bridge the gap" line, however it would be the first time AFAIK that Apple talks about Linux so directly.
 
Cool if it's real, but I doubt it is. Bummer that there weren't any WWDC mini updates.

Yeh but tomorrow is another (Tues)day and we all know that is a preferred product release day for Apple.
Could be the perfect time to introduce the Fusion concept.
Developers conference, Snow Leopard intro and now the machine to glue it all together.
Sure makes sense.
The ad posted is aimed at developers but it's not necessarily indicative of it's broader appeal or availability.
I really believe this could happen.
Now if we all just use the power of attraction :D
 
Yeh but tomorrow is another (Tues)day and we all know that is a preferred product release day for Apple.
Could be the perfect time to introduce the Fusion concept.
Developers conference, Snow Leopard intro and now the machine to glue it all together.
Sure makes sense.
The ad posted is aimed at developers but it's not necessarily indicative of it's broader appeal or availability.
I really believe this could happen.
Now if we all just use the power of attraction :D

If it had an up to date graphics system and 2.1+ghz I'd be all over it.
 
I'm moving this from another thread....probably for the best.

Ok, now I think you're just just being bitter that you didn't get exactly what you want because most of those arguments make little sense to me.

You said you had a 21" monitor, which would run the same resolution as a 20", you wouldn't notice the difference in size at all. All of the video cards in every model of the iMac will be around 100+ times faster than the Mac Mini for games. No, I'm seriously not kidding, even the base model iMac will be insanely faster for games. The mini's integrated solution is for 2D and bare bones 3D as the GPU is often used in video scaling, that's all it's really designed for. A proper video card will run rings around it, even a 5 year old mid-range dedicated video card will beat the current mini by a huge margin in any game.

I'm surprised you even try to run a 21" display on a Mac Mini let alone play 3D games on it. Expose would be sluggish on it at it's native resolution which would annoy me to no end.

Well, I didn't deny being bitter. Back in the old days there were options. Maybe too many options, but still there they were. The original Mac Mini I purchased was the 1.4GHz G4 with the ATI video card. Back then, it was a good machine. Since then, I've wanted to upgrade, but did not want to get the poor Intel chip. At the time, I had a PC for playing WoW on, though I did use the Mini from time to time and it was okay. As the years started piling up, I figured it was time for an upgrade, but the upgrade last August wasn't that good. I needed something better, so I kept waiting. When I moved to Japan, I had to leave my PC behind, so now I only have my Mac Mini. Don't get me wrong, it's a good little machine and I've gotten more than my money's worth. However, as time goes on it's about time to trade up.

I'm left with a couple of choices. When Apple announced the new iMacs last year, I was excited, but the glossy screen just turned me off. Where my computer is located, the glare would be unbearable. Therefore, I understand that computer is not for me. I don't complain about it like some people, though. This leads me to trying to find another solution. I was going to just get a mini PC, but then there were rumors of a new Mac Mini coming out (this was in March or April). That's how I was lead to this site. I've been checking the news everyday since then. In this time, Apple has updated all of their products...except the Mini. All I want to know is if they're going to drop it or not. If they are, then I'll get a PC. It's pretty simple for me, but that doesn't mean I don't like their products, or want to keep using their products. Everyone in my house uses a Mac. Two of us have Minis and they work great. It's all I need in a computer, but my machine is a little long in the tooth and it's age is showing. As much as I want a new Mac, I don't want to spend money on something I'm not completely satisfied with.

Also, my wife uses a 20" monitor and even she notices my monitor is bigger. Why buy a smaller monitor that I can't connect to something else later? <shrug> I don't understand why anyone would want to have all of their parts connected in the first place, but that's my opinion. Either way, I'm not going to drop to a smaller monitor, that's out of the question. Same resolution or not.

Everyone uses their computers for different things and some people are okay with certain configurations. Using a Mini to play World of Warcraft isn't bad and OS X looks great and runs well even on my old hardware. It would be great to be able to speed a few things up and have a larger harddrive, but those things will definitely be upgraded with my next computer. As long as the next Mini doesn't use the current video card, then I'll be happy.

The other thing to this is that I worried that if I buy a new computer now, the next day Apple is going to upgrade the Mini. All I want to know is if they're going to drop it or move it in a different direction so I can choose a new computer. I don't think that's too much to ask for.
 
All I want to know is if they're going to drop it or move it in a different direction so I can choose a new computer. I don't think that's too much to ask for.
That's the million yen question, isn't it? No one knows. Last year there were rumors about the minis demise but then came the C2D refresh. Those rumors resurfaced a few months ago along with the rumor of a much smaller mini. More hope than substance I think but who knows. It certainly has been far too long in the upgrade path. I would hope that Apple replaces the current mini very soon with a Montevina based one. That should give a substantial boost the graphics (like an order of magnitude better) and propel the mini back into the realm of modern computing.
 
I would hope that Apple replaces the current mini very soon with a Montevina based one. That should give a substantial boost the graphics (like an order of magnitude better) and propel the mini back into the realm of modern computing.

You know, that's all I want, really. The fact that Apple has upgraded all of the machines on their lineup except the Mini is worrying to say the least. I was hoping that they would make an announcement today. <sigh> I'm getting tired of waiting and it's getting harder and harder to enjoy playing WoW. Why doesn't someone ask Steve Jobs about this?
 
You know, that's all I want, really. The fact that Apple has upgraded all of the machines on their lineup except the Mini is worrying to say the least. I was hoping that they would make an announcement today. <sigh> I'm getting tired of waiting and it's getting harder and harder to enjoy playing WoW. Why doesn't someone ask Steve Jobs about this?
Send an e-mail to sjobs@apple.com. I've heard he personally responds to the majority of e-mail sent to him.
 
When building a Hackintosh, are there certain components that are required to make it work? Can a person take a regular PC and use your technique to install OSX?

No, there are minimal hardware requirements. The Asus P5K series and some of the GIGABYTE mobos seem to have the easiest time. Also, you need a Core 2 Duo processor or better. There are a few other details, but I built mine based on comments posted by others at insanelymac .com.
 
The more I wait , the more I seriously begin to consider building a Hackintosh a good proposition , there are enough tutorials around & most people it seems(that have gone ahead and done it) help those that are trying to build , so yeah I might give this a go :) ...if nothing happens on the new Mac front this next week or two
 
Yep, welcome to the "dark side". A WWDC conference keynote devoted to phones, little games and the giggle-worthy MobileMe. You'd think the audience was teenage Japanese girls with an allowance and not shareware coders. Amazing, really.

Good luck to everyone who wasted time on speaking some common sense in this thread.
 
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