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"We're proud to report the best June quarter for both revenue and earnings in Apple's history," said Chief Executive Steve Jobs "We set a new record for Mac sales, we think we have a real winner with our new iPhone 3G, and we're busy finishing several more wonderful new products to launch in the coming months."

I wonder if this could possibly be the "Mythical Midrange Tower" among other goodies also including an upgraded Mini.
 
"We're proud to report the best June quarter for both revenue and earnings in Apple's history," said Chief Executive Steve Jobs "We set a new record for Mac sales, we think we have a real winner with our new iPhone 3G, and we're busy finishing several more wonderful new products to launch in the coming months."

I wonder if this could possibly be the "Mythical Midrange Tower" among other goodies also including an upgraded Mini.

I'm inclined to agree with you, but its best not to get your hopes up. When Steve announced the iphone, we were told there were lots of new and exciting products to expect later that year. A year later, we got the MBA and were told there were new products coming at an unspecified time, that he intimated might be quite soon (citation needed, all this comes from memory).

This is the 2nd consecutive quarter where earnings have been good but the stock has gone down, principally because of such a pessimistic outlook for the next quarter (last time the excuse was an upcoming transition that everyone took to mean, and most certainly was, the iphone 3G transition). Apple likes to underbid its quarterly projections with excuses like these, so that it can beat them by a longshot, but wall st doesn't seem to be as impressed by this trick as it used to be.

Nevertheless, all the signs point to new products in development that have been continuously delayed (and years from now, we'll see pictures of the ones that never shipped). The 12" MBP is def not one of them. Once the MBA is cheap enough, it will fill that hole, despite its integrated gfx. There is probably a mid-range ultra-portable (probably a tablet) coming as rumours (often from fairly reliable sources) have suggested. The possibility of a new mini-related product (or 2: a "nano" and "midi", perhaps) is very likely, IMHO, but don't expect anyone on MR who doesn't visit this thread regularly to agree with me/us.

Here's why:

1) The mini has been rumoured to be EOL'd, since just a few months after steve announced the iphone at MWSF07, hailing new products on the horizon, that we can only hope never materialized (except the MBA) because they were severely delayed.
2) Whilst the rumour has not come true, the mini has been on the same lame annual-bump-to-where-the-MB-was-last-year upgrade path since about the same time.
3) The rumours have changed in tone since then to suggest a new form factor overhaul sometime this quarter (this was either appleinsider or 9to5mac and thus pretty reliable), perhaps even a much smaller model (a more persistent rumour from less reliable sources).
4) Apple hasn't given the displays a much needed update to HDCP-compliance and built-in iSight, despite the fact that they no longer sell the latter seperately. Maybe they've been holding off all this time because they expect the new mini to sell more displays than the current one does, and want to do a joint launch.

So anyways, those are my over-wordy $0.02 (sorry). I really think this year will be the year of the xMac, but then I thought that last year too and just because they've intimated that something will happen this quarter, doesn't mean it might still be 2 years away. The only thing about the conference call Q&A that makes me think they weren't talking about an xMac is that Apple won't want to offer the xMac at a price its competitors can't compete with, if anything it'll be apple finally admitting that its competitors are offering something they don't. But hopefully, that comment was regarding the tablet or mac nano (if that actually happens) which would be more revolutionary products.
 
The possibility of a new mini-related product (or 2: a "nano" and "midi", perhaps) is very likely, IMHO, but don't expect anyone on MR who doesn't visit this thread regularly to agree with me/us.

I would agree with you on the nano possibility, but I just can't see them doing a midi/xmac/mid-range tower. Apple is so obsessed with it's lineup, making sure that it's clean with no overlap, every product clearly delineated, each has it's target market and it's price range. I don't think they can see a way to add it without re-arranging the whole line or cutting in to the sales of another product.

I'm not saying that it's good, I'm saying that they know they've made a lot of money and gained marketshare with that lineup and they don't want to screw with it.

I'm willing to bet there were huge arguments over the macbook air, tremendous arguments and endless meetings. Look where it ended up though, the low end fits in that tiny crack between the macbook and the macbook pro and the high end was above the macbook pro (until the recent price drop). It really shouldn't be that expensive, it's a thinner macbook with no upgradable ram and no replaceable HD. But those are the slots in the lineup where they could fit it.

That's the mindset right now and I don't see it changing soon.
 
When you make a product for the sole purpose of getting people to buy a better version of that product, you tend not to care about putting the best hardware into it.

Nah, enticing switchers is just one part of the mini marketing strategy. There are many of us longtime mac users who bought minis for reasons relating to price (absolute price, not value), footprint (when I bought mine it was literally the only machine that would fit in my closet of an appartment) or a specific purpose (i.e. second computer, media center, etc.). The undeniably bad--and increasingly worse--product/value ratio is thus less horrific and insulting for us, and obscolesence is less of a concern in all three of these cases due to other, more pressing constraints...

...but that doesn't mean I think it's cool to leave the poor little guy so miserably spec'd. A half-cycle behind more expensive models? Sure. 2,3, even 4 cycles behind? Ouch.
 
When you make a product for the sole purpose of getting people to buy a better version of that product, you tend not to care about putting the best hardware into it.

While true in principle, the fact is, that as time has gone by, a superb, ground breaking computer, has become a terrible value/performance product.
 
If there is a replacement...

there is no way they will call it the Mac midi. The reason is quite simple. Midi stands for Musical Instrument Digital Interface. That term has been around since before some of the people on this forum were born.:p On the other hand, if they were to make something geared specifically toward musicians that included a midi interface, perhaps they could call it that. I'm just hoping for a slight boost in gpu, HD, and maximum RAM so that I can get one for my wife to replace my old G3 iBook that she is using right now. :D
 
I agree that the mini and new displays will arrive at the same time. New mini and displays will feature Displayport (+ hdcp, ultra-thin, isight, lcd backlight). New Displayport graphics card will also be made available for Mac Pro same day.

The transition to Displayport will pave the way for future touchscreen displays (single wire carries video+touchscreen data)...
 
I'm inclined to agree with you, but its best not to get your hopes up. When Steve announced the iphone, we were told there were lots of new and exciting products to expect later that year. A year later, we got the MBA and were told there were new products coming at an unspecified time, that he intimated might be quite soon (citation needed, all this comes from memory).

This is the 2nd consecutive quarter where earnings have been good but the stock has gone down, principally because of such a pessimistic outlook for the next quarter (last time the excuse was an upcoming transition that everyone took to mean, and most certainly was, the iphone 3G transition). Apple likes to underbid its quarterly projections with excuses like these, so that it can beat them by a longshot, but wall st doesn't seem to be as impressed by this trick as it used to be.

Nevertheless, all the signs point to new products in development that have been continuously delayed (and years from now, we'll see pictures of the ones that never shipped). The 12" MBP is def not one of them. Once the MBA is cheap enough, it will fill that hole, despite its integrated gfx. There is probably a mid-range ultra-portable (probably a tablet) coming as rumours (often from fairly reliable sources) have suggested. The possibility of a new mini-related product (or 2: a "nano" and "midi", perhaps) is very likely, IMHO, but don't expect anyone on MR who doesn't visit this thread regularly to agree with me/us.

Here's why:

1) The mini has been rumoured to be EOL'd, since just a few months after steve announced the iphone at MWSF07, hailing new products on the horizon, that we can only hope never materialized (except the MBA) because they were severely delayed.
2) Whilst the rumour has not come true, the mini has been on the same lame annual-bump-to-where-the-MB-was-last-year upgrade path since about the same time.
3) The rumours have changed in tone since then to suggest a new form factor overhaul sometime this quarter (this was either appleinsider or 9to5mac and thus pretty reliable), perhaps even a much smaller model (a more persistent rumour from less reliable sources).
4) Apple hasn't given the displays a much needed update to HDCP-compliance and built-in iSight, despite the fact that they no longer sell the latter seperately. Maybe they've been holding off all this time because they expect the new mini to sell more displays than the current one does, and want to do a joint launch.

So anyways, those are my over-wordy $0.02 (sorry). I really think this year will be the year of the xMac, but then I thought that last year too and just because they've intimated that something will happen this quarter, doesn't mean it might still be 2 years away. The only thing about the conference call Q&A that makes me think they weren't talking about an xMac is that Apple won't want to offer the xMac at a price its competitors can't compete with, if anything it'll be apple finally admitting that its competitors are offering something they don't. But hopefully, that comment was regarding the tablet or mac nano (if that actually happens) which would be more revolutionary products.


Finally somebody makes sense. Look at the macbook and the air they have some similarities. That makes you wander WTH. Then the price of the air (before price drop) vs. MBP. The whole product line right NOW seems kinda in a slight state of disarray.

I'll bet the macbook becomes a tablet
The mini is DRT STW.
Long live the MAC.

Present:
Think about it boys and girls.
Mac Mini iMac and Mac Pro.
Mac book Mac book Pro. Mac Book Air
Iphone
Ipod Touch ipod Nano and Ipod Shuffle.

Comming to a store near you:
iMac, MAC, Mac Pro
Mac Book Tablet (slate), Mac Book Pro, Mac Book ProAIR
Iphone
iPod nano, Ipod Shuffle, iPad repaces ipod classic and touch (basically small pda and computer and ipod)

This is basically a big shift in portables and a product line clean up.
 
Call me crazy, but maybe they will ditch the imac in favor of:

mini,MAC,mac pro

Clean product matrix, more environmentally friendly ditching the all in one configuration, sticking a big finger to all those copy cat AIO PC manufacturers.
That would certainly be a big transistion!
 
The iMac is why Apple is still around. They'll keep the "i" there for a while.

And that'd make the "i"Pod and "i"Phone a little outdated, don't you think?

Or whatever. As long as they don't make it all caps... newbies spell it like that now...

It wasn't the "i" he was suggesting to get rid of, but rather the iMac alltogether. No more AIO unit, at least I think that's what he meant.
 
It wasn't the "i" he was suggesting to get rid of, but rather the iMac alltogether. No more AIO unit, at least I think that's what he meant.

Yeah, that's what i took from it. Mandoman, I'm afraid I'm going to have to call you crazy. I expect that the mini and Mac Pro together make up around 10% of desktop sales combined. Whilst I'd guess that Apple sells far more notebooks than desktops, I doubt they'd get rid of the one desktop that's working for them, even if its not working for me.
 
The mac Mini is dropped. and becomes just the Mac. IE a mini tower, the iMac stays and the Mac Pro stays.

The iMac is bread and butter for apple. Plus its that all in one design. Some have said that without the first iMac that apple might not have gotten to where it is today or not be around at all.
If they got rid of the imac I think that would be the stupidest things apple could ever have done.
 
Yeah, that's what i took from it. Mandoman, I'm afraid I'm going to have to call you crazy. I expect that the mini and Mac Pro together make up around 10% of desktop sales combined. Whilst I'd guess that Apple sells far more notebooks than desktops, I doubt they'd get rid of the one desktop that's working for them, even if its not working for me.

That's what I meant, and I'm really not serious. The imac is good for many, but obviously doesn't work for me (or likely most on this thread).

I believe firmly, however, that the mac mini will live on. I just wish they would introduce an xmac, though that's about as likley as them dropping the imac from the lineup...
 
The mac mini will be discontinued and replaced by:

The BigMac!
 

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i dont get why you guys are complaining, the mac mini is ok. its not that terrible, except for its GPU which is a disaster, if you are only running os x, it will be fine, more than enough. i mean, its a freaking core 2 duo. its as good as most macbooks, and even some imacs! and its small, too.
 
i dont get why you guys are complaining, the mac mini is ok. its not that terrible, except for its GPU which is a disaster, if you are only running os x, it will be fine, more than enough. i mean, its a freaking core 2 duo. its as good as most macbooks, and even some imacs! and its small, too.

Uh, it is not as good as "most macbooks." The mini has not been upgraded to the Santa Rosa platform, which the Macbook has used since last fall. The top speed of the mini's CPU is 2.0GHz; the lowest speed of the Macbook is 2.1GHz. The mini has a 667 MHz front side bus, the Macbook's speed is 800 MHz. The mini uses the 945GM chipset, rather than X3100 chipset used in the MacBook. The mini is the only Mac that does not come with 802.11n wifi.
 
i dont get why you guys are complaining, the mac mini is ok. its not that terrible, except for its GPU which is a disaster, if you are only running os x, it will be fine, more than enough. i mean, its a freaking core 2 duo. its as good as most macbooks, and even some imacs! and its small, too.

It was, at the beginning of the Intel switch, throughout 2006 and early 2007, it isn't anymore...
- Mac mini 1.83/2.00GHz, 667FSB, GMA 950 graphics (circa 2006)
- MacBook 2.10/2.40GHz, 800FSB, X3100 graphics (soon to be updated)
- iMac 2.40/2.66GHz, 1066FSB, DDR2-800 RAM, dedicated graphics
 
Some have said that without the first iMac that apple might not have gotten to where it is today or not be around at all.
If they got rid of the imac I think that would be the stupidest things apple could ever have done.

True, but I like better the inverse suggestion that's come up a few times: If it weren't for Apple the AIO might not have gotten where it is today or not be around at all. :p

Nobody creates a market like Apple.
 
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