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So why should apple bother? well the truth is they havent because for 90% of the world the current mini does more then avg joe will ever need.

If Apple is only concerned with the average Joe, then why does the Mac Pro even exist?

Futhermore, would not the number of prosumers far outnumber professionals? If so, why wouldn't they be tapping a prosumer market? If "low margins" is the answer to that question, shame on Apple for being so greedy. Sure it's their perrogative to do so, but damn it's rude... especially when prosumers make up most of their most loyal fanbase...

I wonder if this could possibly be the "Mythical Midrange Tower" among other goodies also including an upgraded Mini.

I'd like that as well...
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...but I wouldn't hold your breath.

there is no way they will call it the Mac midi. The reason is quite simple. Midi stands for Musical Instrument Digital Interface.

lol... does the MacMIDI perform 128 discrete functions?

Like the original Shuffle disclaimer: *Please do not eat iPod shuffle.

In reference to the fact that they compared it to a stick of gum.

lol... come on, people! Sad that one would have to clarify...

-Clive
 
Apple must maintain a broad market to keep making record profits. Apple would be making a huge mistake if they decided to completely forget about the consumer market in regards to a lower performance (i.e. cheaper) desktop computer.
 
802.11g is pretty sad

Still waiting for that 802.11n enabled Mac Mini (about a year and a half now). No 802.11n no sale. But since I've been waiting so long... indeed now I won't buy without a serious update of graphics (e.g. X3100), CPU, memory and MB as well.

But of course there are more important things on Apple's mind at the moment like getting MobileMe to work at some point in the future ;)
 
They could bring back a cube and make it like a "mac pro nano"

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can you upgrade the video card in the mac mini?

There is a way, I think. I read about it in a mod thread. IIRC, the wireless card uses a pci-e slot and you can remove it and put in your own gfx card (altho obviously it involves jumping thru quite a few more hoops than that). I can't remember if the guy who wrote about it found a way to get drivers that would work under osx tho.
 
Call me crazy, but maybe they will ditch the imac in favor of:
As long as Steve Jobs is around, the iMac will prevail.

We may see the Mac Mini evolve into a mini tower, or something else, but the iMac will not go away. The iMac, concept wise, will continue to be an all in one design that will be thinner and more powerful.

The mac mini will be discontinued and replaced by: The BigMac!
Tastes great! :D

They could bring back a cube and make it like a "mac pro nano"
Don't see this happening any time soon.

The Mac Mini serves a viable function in the Mac lineup. There are 500GB 2.5 inch hard drives on the market today -- in fact, I'm putting one in my MBP.

I tend to agree with those that say we may see a thinner version. Who knows, Apple may go the route of the MBA and drop the optical drive. Since the Mac Mini is focused towards switchers, most would already have an optical drive in their PC, plus Apple could offer a special optical drive like the MBA one which would fit the form factor of the Mac Mini.
 
They could bring back a cube and make it like a "mac pro nano"

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Like the mock up, don't like 'Nano' added to Mac Pro though. Maybe Mac Cube 2 or just Mac Cube?

Personally I would like the Mac Mini to remain in it's current shape or at least the same foot print and with DVD or Blu-Ray on board. Of course the latter is NOT going to happen; I am realistic ;)
 
Like the mock up, don't like 'Nano' added to Mac Pro though. Maybe Mac Cube 2 or just Mac Cube?

Personally I would like the Mac Mini to remain in it's current shape or at least the same foot print and with DVD or Blu-Ray on board. Of course the latter is NOT going to happen; I am realistic ;)

Maybe name it the Mac Mini Pro (might be to wordy though)?
 
Ugh, how much is Mac OSX worth anyhow?

Today's Frys--Gateway FX4710-UB003A with Q9300 Quad-Core 2.5GHz
9800GT video, 6GB RAM, 640GB HD, Vista 64-bit Home Premium--$1000

If this doesn't point to a huge hole in Apple line-up I don't know what does.

TIM
 
Bring back the cube, fine, but to make it a cheese grater... Ew. The original Cube will never be usurped in its beauty.

-Clive
I was thinking that bringing back the Cube would be a great idea if the Mini is going to be neglected.

I got tired of waiting for a Mini refresh and a mid-range tower so I built my own tower = Hackintosh. Just finished it yesterday and am using it right now.
 
That is NOT a Mockup

Like the mock up, don't like 'Nano' added to Mac Pro though. Maybe Mac Cube 2 or just Mac Cube?

Personally I would like the Mac Mini to remain in it's current shape or at least the same foot print and with DVD or Blu-Ray on board. Of course the latter is NOT going to happen; I am realistic ;)

This is an actual PowerMac G4 Cube Mod, I saw it on a thing called the Internet one time:rolleyes:

I think that apple will replace the Mac Mini with the Lowest price Aluminum MacBook which will be $699.00, But Will be also replaced by a Mid Range Desktop Mac named either Macintosh or Mac, with a upgradable Graphics Card AND CPU and a few PCI E slots and Comes with a Multi-Touch Mighty Mouse and Aluminum Keyboard for $999

Just My Thought's

Stuart
 
I was thinking that bringing back the Cube would be a great idea if the Mini is going to be neglected.

I got tired of waiting for a Mini refresh and a mid-range tower so I built my own tower = Hackintosh. Just finished it yesterday and am using it right now.


I would like to build one of those but I don't have the time to tweak the Bios and look for all the patched software and such. But Congrats to you and Clive for doing that! That is awesome
 
Looked into my coffee cup this morning...

... because I don't drink a lot of tea, its hard to read tea leaves.... so its coffee grounds for me. Anyway, after reading coffee grounds, rolling the skunk bones, and communing with the oracle at the hot springs of the Salish Sea I have been enlightened as to Apple's intentions regarding the Mini. This is the truth.... I swear it, and I will have photo of the new Mini in an elevator soon.

In the fall, Apple will introduce the new Mini. It will be rolled out at the same time as
A) a new touch screen Tablet, and
B) an updated Mac Book Air.

The Mini will wirelessly dock with the Tablet and Air (or perhaps there will be single cable to tie them together).

The Mini will act as the local connection and "storage" facility for the Tablet and the Air (both of which have/will have small HDs to conserve space. Using Mobile Me or similar tech, the Air and Tablet will have access to the files on the Mini, even while on the road.
This means the new Mini will need to be updated with a bigger HD, or Apple will provide a storage solution that mimics the already existing external HDs by 3rd parties that fit under the Mini.

Why do the coffee grounds tell me this?

1) Despite the complaints that the Mac Book Air is underpowered, it is selling well. It is listed as a best seller on the Apple store. It fits the needs of a corporate type who travels outside the office, perfectly. However - it works best if there is a "home" computer, and Apple acknowledges this.

The Air is seen as a secondary machine. Apple wants to sell the primary machine to you as well. So far, there is no system that is designed specifically to be Air's home machine. There is an opportunity here.

2) I think (and so does the oracle) that an Apple Tablet is imminent. I like the names Mac Book Touch, or Mac Book Tablet, or Mac Book Pad. Why is the Tablet imminent? Because Apple is can do it. Some of their products (ie Air) are as much conceptual as practical. All the parts are there. Multitouch, Mobile Me push, small low power CPUs, and engineering experience with a really light, thin system. This is not a system for the masses (nor is the Air). But like the Air, a Tablet will perfectly fit the needs of a particular group of people, who will pay good money for this perfect solution. I don't know specifically what this group is, but I believe they will be in field that pulls information out of a computer, rather than entering information in (ie, don't do a lot of typing). People who comment on and mark up long documents, people who want access to masses of detailed manuals, people who watch or read different types of media,etc. A Tablet is perfect for someone who travels inside or close to their office.

A Tablet would also need a "home" computer, like the Air.

3) The Mini is still being sold, and yet has not been updated for a long time. If you were going to be introducing a completely new version of a product, then you wouldn't put a lot of resources into minor updates - but you would keep that product in the system for continuity.

Put that all together, and you get a new Mini.

It will wirelessly dock (most likely) with the Air and the Tablet. If there is a cable, the cable will both charge the battery and synch the systems. In corporate environments (the target audience for the Air and the Tablet) you don't necessarily want your corporate documents sitting on an outside server (Mobile Me), so the new Mini would connect to the corporate servers, but provide local (desk top) services such as an optical drive, keyboard/mouse/monitor connections.

The only thing that could mess up a new Mini is an iMac designed specifically to dock with the Air and the Tablet. In that case I think there will be single model of iMac that will be fully "dockable", and the other iMacs will only have limited (if any) capabilities to dock.

There you have it..... the grounds and bones don't lie.
 
... because I don't drink a lot of tea, its hard to read tea leaves.... so its coffee grounds for me. Anyway, after reading coffee grounds, rolling the skunk bones, and communing with the oracle at the hot springs of the Salish Sea I have been enlightened as to Apple's intentions regarding the Mini. This is the truth.... I swear it, and I will have photo of the new Mini in an elevator soon.

In the fall, Apple will introduce the new Mini. It will be rolled out at the same time as
A) a new touch screen Tablet, and
B) an updated Mac Book Air.

The Mini will wirelessly dock with the Tablet and Air (or perhaps there will be single cable to tie them together).

The Mini will act as the local connection and "storage" facility for the Tablet and the Air (both of which have/will have small HDs to conserve space. Using Mobile Me or similar tech, the Air and Tablet will have access to the files on the Mini, even while on the road.
This means the new Mini will need to be updated with a bigger HD, or Apple will provide a storage solution that mimics the already existing external HDs by 3rd parties that fit under the Mini.

Why do the coffee grounds tell me this?

1) Despite the complaints that the Mac Book Air is underpowered, it is selling well. It is listed as a best seller on the Apple store. It fits the needs of a corporate type who travels outside the office, perfectly. However - it works best if there is a "home" computer, and Apple acknowledges this.

The Air is seen as a secondary machine. Apple wants to sell the primary machine to you as well. So far, there is no system that is designed specifically to be Air's home machine. There is an opportunity here.

2) I think (and so does the oracle) that an Apple Tablet is imminent. I like the names Mac Book Touch, or Mac Book Tablet, or Mac Book Pad. Why is the Tablet imminent? Because Apple is can do it. Some of their products (ie Air) are as much conceptual as practical. All the parts are there. Multitouch, Mobile Me push, small low power CPUs, and engineering experience with a really light, thin system. This is not a system for the masses (nor is the Air). But like the Air, a Tablet will perfectly fit the needs of a particular group of people, who will pay good money for this perfect solution. I don't know specifically what this group is, but I believe they will be in field that pulls information out of a computer, rather than entering information in (ie, don't do a lot of typing). People who comment on and mark up long documents, people who want access to masses of detailed manuals, people who watch or read different types of media,etc. A Tablet is perfect for someone who travels inside or close to their office.

A Tablet would also need a "home" computer, like the Air.

3) The Mini is still being sold, and yet has not been updated for a long time. If you were going to be introducing a completely new version of a product, then you wouldn't put a lot of resources into minor updates - but you would keep that product in the system for continuity.

Put that all together, and you get a new Mini.

It will wirelessly dock (most likely) with the Air and the Tablet. If there is a cable, the cable will both charge the battery and synch the systems. In corporate environments (the target audience for the Air and the Tablet) you don't necessarily want your corporate documents sitting on an outside server (Mobile Me), so the new Mini would connect to the corporate servers, but provide local (desk top) services such as an optical drive, keyboard/mouse/monitor connections.

The only thing that could mess up a new Mini is an iMac designed specifically to dock with the Air and the Tablet. In that case I think there will be single model of iMac that will be fully "dockable", and the other iMacs will only have limited (if any) capabilities to dock.

There you have it..... the grounds and bones don't lie.

I don't think that was coffee you were drinking....
 
... because I don't drink a lot of tea, its hard to read tea leaves.... so its coffee grounds for me. Anyway, after reading coffee grounds, rolling the skunk bones, and communing with the oracle at the hot springs of the Salish Sea I have been enlightened as to Apple's intentions regarding the Mini. This is the truth.... I swear it, and I will have photo of the new Mini in an elevator soon.

In the fall, Apple will introduce the new Mini. It will be rolled out at the same time as
A) a new touch screen Tablet, and
B) an updated Mac Book Air.

The Mini will wirelessly dock with the Tablet and Air (or perhaps there will be single cable to tie them together).

The Mini will act as the local connection and "storage" facility for the Tablet and the Air (both of which have/will have small HDs to conserve space. Using Mobile Me or similar tech, the Air and Tablet will have access to the files on the Mini, even while on the road.
This means the new Mini will need to be updated with a bigger HD, or Apple will provide a storage solution that mimics the already existing external HDs by 3rd parties that fit under the Mini.

Why do the coffee grounds tell me this?

1) Despite the complaints that the Mac Book Air is underpowered, it is selling well. It is listed as a best seller on the Apple store. It fits the needs of a corporate type who travels outside the office, perfectly. However - it works best if there is a "home" computer, and Apple acknowledges this.

The Air is seen as a secondary machine. Apple wants to sell the primary machine to you as well. So far, there is no system that is designed specifically to be Air's home machine. There is an opportunity here.

2) I think (and so does the oracle) that an Apple Tablet is imminent. I like the names Mac Book Touch, or Mac Book Tablet, or Mac Book Pad. Why is the Tablet imminent? Because Apple is can do it. Some of their products (ie Air) are as much conceptual as practical. All the parts are there. Multitouch, Mobile Me push, small low power CPUs, and engineering experience with a really light, thin system. This is not a system for the masses (nor is the Air). But like the Air, a Tablet will perfectly fit the needs of a particular group of people, who will pay good money for this perfect solution. I don't know specifically what this group is, but I believe they will be in field that pulls information out of a computer, rather than entering information in (ie, don't do a lot of typing). People who comment on and mark up long documents, people who want access to masses of detailed manuals, people who watch or read different types of media,etc. A Tablet is perfect for someone who travels inside or close to their office.

A Tablet would also need a "home" computer, like the Air.

3) The Mini is still being sold, and yet has not been updated for a long time. If you were going to be introducing a completely new version of a product, then you wouldn't put a lot of resources into minor updates - but you would keep that product in the system for continuity.

Put that all together, and you get a new Mini.

It will wirelessly dock (most likely) with the Air and the Tablet. If there is a cable, the cable will both charge the battery and synch the systems. In corporate environments (the target audience for the Air and the Tablet) you don't necessarily want your corporate documents sitting on an outside server (Mobile Me), so the new Mini would connect to the corporate servers, but provide local (desk top) services such as an optical drive, keyboard/mouse/monitor connections.

The only thing that could mess up a new Mini is an iMac designed specifically to dock with the Air and the Tablet. In that case I think there will be single model of iMac that will be fully "dockable", and the other iMacs will only have limited (if any) capabilities to dock.

There you have it..... the grounds and bones don't lie.

Sounds good to me, but then won't apple lose all the switchers or people who want a home desktop but don't have a mac air or laptop?
 
Stand alone still possible.

Sounds good to me, but then won't apple lose all the switchers or people who want a home desktop but don't have a mac air or laptop?

If all it was was a Mini with upgraded synching capabilities (wired or wireless) it would still work as a standalone. We've started to see Apple going to an a la carte structure. Remotes are now an extra. The SuperDrive for the Air? Gotta order it separately.

Imagine a bare bones Mini. All the "extras" are same footprint as a Mini, and stack. Need a dock? Buy and stack. External HD? Same thing. Keeps prices down because you only buy what you need.
 
And you believe that 'Top Sellers' list?

Only to a point. I don't think the Air is the #1 seller..... but there are fair number of them showing up on the refurb pages. That tells me that there are enough sales that Apple isn't worried about refurb sales cannilbalizing the sales of new units. I think there are a whole lot of executives with their shiny new Mac Book Airs that are starting to wish there was a little bit more they could do with them.

For a certain segment of the market (my wife is one of them - we are waiting for her MBP to die or revision B of the Air, whichever comes first) that the Air is perfect for. What I also know is that our current semi-retired Mini (its currently working as a juke box in the living room) will be brought back into the business world as a type of file server for my wife. The Air is perfect for her to travel. It needs a bit more "heft" for her office work. She researches public policy, writes papers, shuffles emails. Occasionally she needs some computing "heft" to crunch numbers in a spreadsheet, SPSS, or a database. The Mini would do that very nicely. She doesn't need a tower to do this. She needs something that is quiet and small.

I consider my wife as a good example of the market Apple is aiming for. She likes the Air. She likes the Mini. You and I, we're not Apple's main market. For that matter, anyone who is posting here is not their main market.
 
And you believe that 'Top Sellers' list?

I've always been of the opinion that this list is nothing more than an advertisement in disguise...any way to tell if there are any real numbers tied to it?

Only to a point. I don't think the Air is the #1 seller..... but there are fair number of them showing up on the refurb pages....

Unfortunately, this could jus as easily mean that a larger-than-normal percentage of them are being returned with non-user-end-fixable problems...

...but other than these two little points, snberk, the rest of your coffee-and-single malt-induced hallucinations are just as likely as any one else's ;). Something has to happen soon, so why not?
 
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